Is there a real chance of communion between the Catholic Church and the orthodox?

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I agree, @ziapueblo; that neither side would “ repent and come home “ to the other.

However: I’d love for the Church to have both of her lungs back together.
 
You’ll also find it in the Douay-Rheims and old catholic missals. I’m not sure when exactly that changed but my guess is it was influenced by the KJV.

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Nicene
 
Michael16 said:
However: I’d love for the Church to have both of her lungs back together.
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The Church does have her lungs back together. Depending on how they’re counted, there’s 22-25 Eastern Catholic Churches. 😉
 
Margaret_Ann said:
Otherwise, you’re expected to stand during the entire Liturgy.
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For the homily, and one or two other points, there is historical evidence (although I don’t think it’s universally accepted) that the congregation generally sat (on the floor). According to these, “Arise” is indeed a command to do so.

(And liturgists tell us the the deacon’s cry of “Wisdom! Be attentive!” is more of a “Shut up and listen!” . . .)
 
George720 said:
The truth is that all Churches are forbidden from adding to or subtracting so much as even one word from the Creed by Church Canon… Rome Herself accepted this Canon…
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Constantinople still changed Nicene Creed didn’t it?
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thus abandoning the Creed as a unifier of the Church and turning it into a weapon to combat heresy
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Creed was not viewed as unifier. Even Armenians who were subject to Alexandria used different Creed. Creed existed to elaborate the faith.
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suspect he desired reconciliation and became a peacemaker…
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I doubt HE discarded truth.
George720 said:
Indeed so, yet the Faith is revealed, not deduced…
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Why would that be contradictory? I deduced many things that were revealed but not taught to me.
 
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OrbisNonSufficit said:
Constantinople still changed Nicene Creed didn’t it?
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No…

The Ecumenical Council at Constantinople changed the Creed…
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Creed was not viewed as unifier. Even Armenians who were subject to Alexandria used different Creed. Creed existed to elaborate the faith.
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The Arminians lost Communion with the rest of the Church…

Outside the Latin Communion, do you have any evidence that the purpose of the creation and then the completion of the Creed was done for the sake of elaborating the Faith? The Faith is elaborated by dogmatics and Services… The Creed is the unifier…
OrbisNonSufficit said:
I doubt HE discarded truth.
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Bishops have opinions…
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Why would that be contradictory? I deduced many things that were revealed but not taught to me.
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The Faith is by Revelation…

“Blessed art thou, Simon bar Jonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed this to you, but God the Father…” It is upon this rock of Divine Revelation and Confession that Simon was named Peter and became a foundation stone of the Body of our Lord…

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Margaret_Ann said:
The Church does have her lungs back together.
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The Body of Christ has never lost one of its lungs…

It either increases or decreases in its incarnate size…

“The Body of Christ increased by 2000 that day…” (Pentecost)

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George720 said:
The Ecumenical Council at Constantinople changed the Creed…
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Council started as local one. Yet it dared to change the Creed… same way Toledo did.
George720 said:
Outside the Latin Communion, do you have any evidence that the purpose of the creation and then the completion of the Creed was done for the sake of elaborating the Faith? The Faith is elaborated by dogmatics and Services… The Creed is the unifier…
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Well Armenians are outside Latin Communion… and they remained in communion with Alexandria and Alexandria did not mind this. This shows that even in the East alone, Creed was not unifier solely.
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Bishops have opinions…
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I understand that. I am by no means saying he has to be right or that he is infallible, but he is very educated man and a Bishop with authority. He got rebuked by no other Bishop for saying this, and seeing as he represents the Church, weight of his opinion is not too small.
George720 said:
The Faith is by Revelation…

“Blessed art thou, Simon bar Jonah, for flesh and blood hath not revealed this to you, but God the Father…” It is upon this rock of Divine Revelation and Confession that Simon was named Peter and became a foundation stone of the Body of our Lord…
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Yet that does not discard reason. Correct reason based on correct premise can not contradict Truth. Neither can revelation from God. Revelation is of course more reliable but that does not discard reason. Reason itself is type of contemplation. Yet I do agree that reason alone is not sufficient.
 
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You’re speaking beautifully, @OrbisNonSufficit. Please go on.

I’ll even add:

If Eastern councils can modify the Creed, but the West can’t; that’s hypocritical. Inconsistent to say the least.

The essence of unity, @George720; is communion. Even with dogmatic unity; breaks in communion are still fractures of unity.

Trying to say unity in dogma but disunited in communion is trying to Yes and no simultaneously.

Divine Revelation and reason go well together. Reason explicates what God revealed.

As for Saint Peter: He’s the undisputed Head of the Church with primacy of honor.

Honor thy father.

Remember Sirach?

God sets a father in honor over his children

🤔 Honor over his children.
Let’s extrapolate on that.

Rome has primacy of honor over the whole Church.

If a father is set in honor over his children, he has undeniable authority over his children. They are subject to him.

If Jesus set Saint Peter in honor over the whole Church; then Saint Peter has undeniable authority over the whole Church. The Church is subject to Rome as the Successor of Saint Peter.

Using the father over his children analogy; there’s no denying papal supremacy.
 
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Indeed, @OrbisNonSufficit. As soon as I heard it at Mass this morning; I thought of our Orthodox brothers and sisters. 😁

Today’s the Feast of the Holy Family!!
 
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