The last official statement [a couple of years ago as I recall] I saw from the Vatican stated that the Bishop is expressing his personal opinion, to which he is entitled, but the responsibility for an official statement lies with the National Council of Bishops. I can’t find this at the moment, but have seen no subsequent statements.The bishop of Mostar, the diocese in which Medjugorje is located has officially stated that the apparitions are not authentic. The approval of the local ordinary is the first step for the Church to look into it. Since he has officially not approved it, that is as far as it goes. Can he or another bishop later change this decision, obviously yes. but until then, "Obedience, in all things, obedience.’>
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Deacon Ed B
The last official statement [a couple of years ago as I recall] I saw from the Vatican stated that the Bishop is expressing his personal opinion, to which he is entitled, but the responsibility for an official statement lies with the National Council of Bishops. I can’t find this at the moment, but have seen no subsequent statements.
geez, what double speak. Cant there be just a plain statement, ye sit is or no its not? Sounds worse than politicians.The Zadar Declaration of non constat de supernaturalitate was published in 1991.
In 1997, Bp. Peric stated in a letter, that he was convinced that BOTH negative formulae might now apply to Medjugorje, based on observations he had made since assuming the office of Bishop of Mostar.
In 1998, (then) Abp. Bertone (then of CDF) was asked whether or not the Church’s position had indeed changed. He replied that the Church still held to the Zadar Declaration, notwithstanding Bp. Peric’s stronger stance.
The Church’s official position on Medjugorje, then, is non constat de supernaturalitate, or negative as to the authenticity of any apparitions there.
I thought it was.geez, what double speak. Cant there be just a plain statement, ye sit is or no its not? Sounds worse than politicians.
You say you have been there twice. What did you think of the whole thing?The bishop of Mostar, the diocese in which Medjugorje is located has officially stated that the apparitions are not authentic. The approval of the local ordinary is the first step for the Church to look into it. Since he has officially not approved it, that is as far as it goes. Can he or another bishop later change this decision, obviously yes. but until then, "Obedience, in all things, obedience.’>
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
I personally found it very spiritually fulfilling. Thats why I was planning a third trip back. I do also, that even at false apparitions, our lord can use them to bring about good. Until the Church makes a further declaration, I will not however be going back.You say you have been there twice. What did you think of the whole thing?
It seems somewhat obvious that if you went back a second time you must have had a reason. What was the reason? Did you find any extra grace in your life as a result of these visits?
So, basically, you personally found such spiritual fulfillment that you went back twice, yet you are now letting someone else make your decisions for you? Especially in light of the fact that no definite declaration has been made? Especially in light of the fact that these are never necessary for salvation anyway, so it still comes down to personal belief in the end anyway? This is spiritual maturity to you? I am sorry, but this is almost beyond comprehension to me.I personally found it very spiritually fulfilling. Thats why I was planning a third trip back. I do also, that even at false apparitions, our lord can use them to bring about good. Until the Church makes a further declaration, I will not however be going back.
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Deacon ed b
Don’t forget that one of the Sacraments is all about the Holy Spirit and the charisma’s.…He has already made it a point that it is the sacraments that strengthen the faithful — this kinda put a different light on the supposedly tapping onto the the Holy Spirit via the CCR.
That is sure a Protestant sounding statement!So, basically, you personally found such spiritual fulfillment that you went back twice, yet you are now letting someone else make your decisions for you?
No, it is a spiritually mature sounding statement.That is sure a Protestant sounding statement!
One question about fruit (which was mentioned earlier), has anyone else noticed that the seers who are married have relatively small families? This has always nagged at me.
Your statement? I don’t think so. The ability to change one’s mind or withhold judgment upon further study is an example of humility. Furthermore, recognizing that one’s emotional experiences might not always be reliable is an example of wisdom.No, it is a spiritually mature sounding statement.
Humility does not encompass that I am afraid, any psych 101 book will tell you that. As far as family size of seers, I dont know, I am not a seer. I only have 1 child, so am I a seer now too? And the emotional vs. wisdom argument, when did you all become Stoics?Your statement? I don’t think so. The ability to change one’s mind or withhold judgment upon further study is an example of humility. Furthermore, recognizing that one’s emotional experiences might not always be reliable is an example of wisdom.
I would still like to hear some thoughts on the small family sizes of the seers.
When the Magisterium asks the clergy not to go, and I am clergy, I obey. I do have a vow of obedience to my bishop and by extension to the magisterium.So, basically, you personally found such spiritual fulfillment that you went back twice, yet you are now letting someone else make your decisions for you? Especially in light of the fact that no definite declaration has been made? Especially in light of the fact that these are never necessary for salvation anyway, so it still comes down to personal belief in the end anyway? This is spiritual maturity to you? I am sorry, but this is almost beyond comprehension to me.
When the Magisterium asks the clergy not to go, and I am clergy, I obey. I do have a vow of obedience to my bishop and by extension to the magisterium.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
The only statements I have seen said the clergy were not to lead pilgrimages there; not that they could not accompany them.Well, our bishop and the bishop in Ottawa have not stopped anyone if you read what I wrote about the Companions of the Cross. And they are TOTALLY magisterial. So, I do not know where you are coming from.
This being the case, would a genuine demon be so easily removed from its victim, by a priest who has been stopped from doing what he was ordained to do, by his own bishop?
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