Is there any church that is in union with the Pope and the Orthodox Church?

  • Thread starter Thread starter JD27076
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
gus said:
Pope means father.Not so difficult to comprehend.
Are you saying there is some secret meaning?
Click to expand...
The head of the Coptic Church (i.e the Patriarch of Alexandria) has been called Pope since the 3rd century.
 
rdorseyhsd said:
deepdyve.com/lp/informa-healthcare/between-rome-and-constantinople-the-italian-albanian-church-a-study-in-7JjuCg9nF2

It will take some digging, I read the article a couple of years ago. If you look at the website of Santa Maria di Santa Maria di Grottaferrata you will see where they have been visited by the Orthodox Bishop of Athens and the Patriarch of Constantinople
Click to expand...
But being visited does not imply concelebration. The patriarch of Constantinople has visited Rome (and vice-versa) several times and the two have held services together, but none of the joint services involved concelebration.
 
“In October 1973, a delegation from the Holy Synod of the Greek Orthodox Church made an official visit to the Eparchy of Piana of the Albanians. A highlight of the visit was an ecumenical liturgy, with the delegation from the Greek Orthodox synod participating with the Italo-Albanian bishop, clergy and faithful.”

If this is not concelebration, I don’t know what is
 
In the 1500’s the Patriarch of Constantinople confirmed the appointment of an Italo Albanian Bishop Metropolitan with the approval of Rome. I lost that citation. The issue is the Italo Albanians have never revoked their connection with Constantinople so that you have a Church that recognizes both the Vatican and Constantinople
 
Sorry if my “Source?” sounded mean.😊
Also, the article says “ecumenical liturgy”, which I suppose could mean another liturgy besides the Eucharist, like Vespers.
 
rdorseyhsd said:
In the 1500’s the Patriarch of Constantinople confirmed the appointment of an Italo Albanian Bishop Metropolitan with the approval of Rome. I lost that citation. The issue is the Italo Albanians have never revoked their connection with Constantinople so that you have a Church that recognizes both the Vatican and Constantinople
Click to expand...
The fact that the Italo-Albanians aren’t celebrated in the Diptychs of any Orthodox Chuirch says they aren’t autocephalous. The fact that their head isn’t appointed by an Orthodox primate means they aren’t autonomous.
Which means they don’t have a connection with Constantinople, or any other Orthodox Church.

They can recognize other churches all they want, but if it doesn’t go both ways, it isn’t a union.
 
rdorseyhsd said:
“In October 1973, a delegation from the Holy Synod of the Greek Orthodox Church made an official visit to the Eparchy of Piana of the Albanians. A highlight of the visit was an ecumenical liturgy, with the delegation from the Greek Orthodox synod participating with the Italo-Albanian bishop, clergy and faithful.”

If this is not concelebration, I don’t know what is
Click to expand...
I defined concelebration for you five minutes before you posted that, having found the line myself.

Again, the article gives no evidence of concelebration of the Eucharist, the important bit that shows unity.
 
Dont the Pope and Patriarch celebrate the first part of the Liturgy/Mass together?

The liturgy of the word?

but not the second Eucharistic part
 
JD27076 said:
I heard of Orthodox Catholic, but I’m not sure of that.

I guess I really do not have to elaborate on the subject, the question is in the title.

Thanks everyone!
Click to expand...
No, there is no church that is in communion with both Rome and the Orthodox churches.

Many Orthodox call themselves Orthodox Catholics, because they believe that their church is the “Catholic Church,” as St. Ignatius called it. But they’re not claiming to be in communion with today’s Church of Rome.
ConstantineTG said:
Because Catholic and Orthodox weren’t nouns in the past, they were adjectives. Catholic describes the Church (universal, for all, gentiles and jews) and Orthodox describes the faith (true, right belief).
Click to expand...
Exactly, and both sides claim both labels: we Catholics believe we are orthodox, and the Orthodox believe their church is the Catholic Church.

It is mere convention that sets the two labels against each other as signifiers of separate communions.
 
Fone_Bone_2001 said:
Exactly, and both sides claim both labels: we Catholics believe we are orthodox, and the Orthodox believe their church is the Catholic Church.
Click to expand...
Well said. And we could also add that the Armenian Apostolic Church isn’t the only church that uses the word “apostolic”.
 
rdorseyhsd said:
“In October 1973, a delegation from the Holy Synod of the Greek Orthodox Church made an official visit to the Eparchy of Piana of the Albanians. A highlight of the visit was an ecumenical liturgy, with the delegation from the Greek Orthodox synod participating with the Italo-Albanian bishop, clergy and faithful.”

If this is not concelebration, I don’t know what is
Click to expand...
Well, I don’t know what you know and don’t know, but perhaps you could tell me what in that paragraph convinces you that concelebration took place.
 
Credo_ergo_sum said:
The head of the Coptic Church (i.e the Patriarch of Alexandria) has been called Pope since the 3rd century.
Click to expand...
I don’t get your points. How is when someome was called father imporantant to any discussion?
Aren’t all priests and Bihops fathers in Christ?
Maybe if he was called the one and only father of all Christains we could have some fun with that be he is not so we won’t…
 
gus said:
I don’t get your points. How is when someome was called father imporantant to any discussion?
Aren’t all priests and Bihops fathers in Christ?
Maybe if he was called the one and only father of all Christains we could have some fun with that be he is not so we won’t…
Click to expand...
Pope doesn’t actually mean father, it is derived from the Greek pappas. It was, and still is, used as a title specifically for the Patriarch of Alexandria in both the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Communions.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top