Is there any possible position higher than Queen of Heaven?

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Oh, and just to make things totally plain, the “greatest” in Heaven:
“At the Name of Jesus, every knee should bow in heaven, on earth, and under the earth, and every tongue confess the Lord Jesus Christ, in the glory of God the Father.” (Phil. 2:11-12)
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Mintaka said:
Oh, and just to make things totally plain, the “greatest” in Heaven:

“At the Name of Jesus, every knee should bow in heaven, on earth, and under the earth, and every tongue confess the Lord Jesus Christ, in the glory of God the Father.” (Phil. 2:11-12)
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The greatest Non-God, created being in Heaven. “just to make things ‘totally’ [clear].”
 
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It’s not the just the person, but the reason. Being #1 because you’re the “Mother of God” is essentially cheating in two ways;
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Who cheated? I don’t think Mary faked God. So, you’re accusing God of being dishonest.
Sexual Function and (Im)possibility. Mary didn’t “earn” anything that She was given,
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Who has? You do know that everything we have has been given us by God, right?
yet the Men and Women who actually suffer for God (not emotionally, physically)
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You’re merely pitting physical pain over emotional pain. But there are people whose love is so great that they suffer physical pain when their loved one is hurt.
and risk their lives for him are but mere secondaries.
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Mary was right there under the Cross. What makes you think she didn’t risk her life?
Mary’s sacrifices are almost nonexistent when it comes to herself;
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On the contrary, you simply don’t understand her sacrifices because they are from the perspective of a parent. It is parents who suffer the most for their children. And mothers who suffer more than anyone else.
Yes, “Her Son” died, but that wasn’t Her choice to make, She either accepted it or rejected it, but God’s will be done…
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And you think that makes it easy? I guess you’ve never played sports and had to shoot the pair of free throws that might win or lose the game.

Mary had to raise the Son of God to maturity. Apparently, you can’t imagine the gravity of that mission. If she fumbles this little guy, the world is damned! Does that sink in?

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Let’s take a rich King, for example. Let’s say this man is the richest and most powerful Man on Earth, but he learns of Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church and sacrifices all of his wealth, power, and relationships to become a humble, meager servant and preach to the world. He goes somewhere, sharing the gospel, and gets martyred. Should this man not be rewarded greater due to his sacrifices? Yes,
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More than you or I. But how many riches and how many sacrifices are worth more than Christ. Mary gave you Christ, one drop of His blood is worth more than all the riches of the world.
he likely had sin (as we all do), but that should only strengthen his case in Heaven because God could’ve saved him from Original Sin, but didn’t. This man had to not only fight the Devil and the world, but also his inherently sinful nature (unlike Mary), even unto death.
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But that king wasn’t entrusted with the life of Christ, the Son of God. God gives you the graces that you need. That man merely was entrusted with riches and his own sinfulness. We don’t even know if he did God’s will. Perhaps he gave away his riches because he couldn’t handle the pressure of running a Kingdom fairly. Perhaps that was God’s original will for that man. But the man gave up his riches and then made up for his error by becoming a preacher.
To Me, Mary is the ultimate sign of “I am God”, however, I don’t mean this in a good way. Mary’s position shows that God can do whatever he wants just because, and there’s nothing we can do about it to change it, not even serve him.
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To me, your argument is the ultimate sign of presumption. You presume you know more than God. You presume that God is unfair.
We are all destined to be the second fiddle because we didn’t have a very specific, impossible, gracehack from God.
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You aren’t Noah. God didn’t wash away all wickedness and select you to be the new Adam.
You aren’t Moses. God didn’t talk to you face to face.
You aren’t David. God didn’t select you to run His Kingdom.

And, without a grace hack from God, you wouldn’t even be Christian. There’s a song that says:

Better one day in your courts

 
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You really must have a skewed view, not simply of Mary, but of mothers and motherhood as well.

You seem to think that Mary was ‘only’ a mother (and that nothing about Motherhood is anything special).

You seem to think that because she didn’t suffer a physical martyrdom herself, that she is ‘less’ than any others who did.

So tell me. Who is ‘greater’, Joan of Arc of St, Theresa of Avilla?

St. John the Baptist or St. John the Evangelist?

Peter or Paul (both of whom suffered martyrdom)?

Average male Christian killed in the persecutions or average female Christian?

What is your preoccupation with 'who gets to be ‘top dog’ and who ever said that your view of what it means to be “Queen of Heaven” or “greatest in heaven” is what actually is, in Heaven itself and according to God?

Do you know the mind of God? Do you understand Him completely?
 
Is there any possible position higher than Queen of Heaven? If there is, I’m all ears to who that could possibly be. From the CCC; “The Church’s devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship.” Intrinsic; belonging natural; essential. Mother of God, Perpetual Virgin, Immaculately Conceived, Assumed body and soul into heaven. Name me just one who can boast all of that!

Throughout the history of the Catholic Church, there have been more paintings, statues, poems, treatises, icons, hymns, and sermons produced for this one solitary woman, than for any other creature in all of human history. Think about that for a second. Now when you can produce a creature with more credentials than her, then that person would supplant her as more important. In plain English…dream on! After the Triune God, Mary is it…full stop.
 
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Mark121359 said:
Is there any possible position higher than Queen of Heaven? If there is, I’m all ears to who that could possibly be. From the CCC; “The Church’s devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship.” Intrinsic; belonging natural; essential. Mother of God, Perpetual Virgin, Immaculately Conceived, Assumed body and soul into heaven. Name me just one who can boast all of that!

Throughout the history of the Catholic Church, there have been more paintings, statues, poems, treatises, icons, hymns, and sermons produced for this one solitary woman, than for any other creature in all of human history. Think about that for a second. Now when you can produce a creature with more credentials than her, then that person would supplant her as more important. In plain English…dream on! After the Triune God, Mary is it…full stop.
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Surely there must be a way to fix this.
 
You’re applying notions of space to heaven which is infinite - therefore you do err.
 
Fix what? What is ‘broken’ about it???

Ever read The Lord of the Rings? In the second book, the Two Towers, I believe it is Gandalf who speaks to Théoden, “Say therefore that to crooked eyes Truth wears a wry face.”

"Crooked’ not meaning thievish or evil per se, but rather askew (which can be through no fault of the individual).
 
Mintaka said:
“Spiritual body” is probably not the best way to put it.
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it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:44
 
Yes. We die. Our souls (not our natural bodies, which decay) go to Heaven. While in Heaven between death and the Last Judgment (for all people), they do not have ‘bodies’. They remain souls (not orbs, not blobs). At the Last Judgment, our souls will THEN be reunited with a spiritual, glorified, human body.
 
Newsflash - no one since the fall has EVER ‘earned’ heaven. Or for that matter ‘earned’ a single good thing that we have. All is a gift of God, all is His grace and the most we do to ‘earn’ anything is try to cooperate with His gifts and graces. Which Mary, we are taught, did to the highest possible degree of perfection.

You sound like the brother of the Prodigal Son who viewed himself as hard done by when his brother’s return was celebrated. You aren’t, any more than he was.

Imagine what it is to be the Mother of God. To have Christ, who is the incarnation of the one indivisible and triune God, take flesh of your flesh and bone of your bone and blood of your blood. To bear, nurse and raise your maker. To be so influential in His performing His first miracle at Cana. It speaks to an exceptionally close bond between mother and son.

What a singular honour and privilege. What a position of unique and unparalleled significance. What an incredible person to willingly accept such a huge and awesome responsibility. Most anyone else would have run away from the job like Jonah.

Mary is unique and doubtless has a unique position in Heaven. As is only fitting.
 
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If Mary had a ‘gracehack’ from God (wonderful turn of phrase btw) then so too did Peter, Paul, David, Elijah and all the rest. Including you and me.
 
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TheNeutral, don’t you know that none of us will be envious or resentful or contemptuous of any other saint in Heaven?

Whatever your “position” or mine, we will be entirely fulfilled and happy, in the direct presence of God.

If (as seems likely) Mary or Paul or Moses or some otherwise unknown red or white martyr is exalted over us, that will be a cause for joy, not sorrow or anger.

Trust that God IS just, and that in Heaven you will receive all that you require to be happy forever.

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GOD is the One Who made Mary Queen of Heaven. As mother of the King of kings, this only makes perfect sense.

Adam and Eve were created sinless but blew it. God prevented the stain of sin from touching Mary’s soul at her conception, and lived her life for Him. As we all should. She set a wonderful example for the rest of us.
 
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