Disagee, Christ died for us to go to Purgatory??? Really. Which is man made idealogy.
Yes, but I also said Luther’s sheer lack of humility is ultimately what caused the schism. I don’t think it had to happen and had someone other than Luther, or had Luther had a cooler head, I think the Church would have heard his complaints with open ears.
Mis information. I have provided numerous examples in scripture where Moses and Christ refer to the infallibility of scripture and rebuke those locked in tradition. You choose to ignore being its inconvenient.
I’m not sure that blaming will help and it is not something I myself am very concerned with. There have certainly been errors but at this point blame might not be the best way to fix them. In fact I’m sure an argument presented with the word blame to the average Protestant will end any chance of victory. But yes, SS is a pretty terrible doctrine.
Those in purgatory are saved and do go to heaven. Scripture tells you this so I am somewhat surprised that you, being a sola scripturist, don’t know that. Of course, Purgatory is one of those things that did not fit early protestant ideas so they simply denied it and you are the recipient of their error. But scripture still attests to the saved man who on the day of judgement goes through a purification by fire. That is a pretty explicit depiction of purgatory. In fact, purgatory is more explicit in the Bible than the concept of the Trinity that Christians have. Christians understand the Trinity in terms of person and essence and substance. These are extra biblical concepts that come to us from Greek philosophy but were used by the Church to define the Godhead. Nowhere in scripture or even Jewish philosophical thought are these concepts found.
I think blame is an appropriate term to use. Protestants have no one to point fingers at except themselves. They took themselves out of the church and they are the ones who presently are still keeping themselves out of the church. The responsibility is theirs and theirs alone and thus they can ans shpuld blame themselves.
Wrong! Purgatory is taught and it was taught and believed by Jews and even up to our days. If it is a man-made ideology as you believe,please tell me when,where and WHO invented this false idealogy? Where are the early church historical records clearly showing people protesting this man-made idea?
If you can provide explicit scripture on purgatory I will accept your answer as credible, likely though you have wasted my time.
You are ducking the question. Purgatory is a state in which we are cleansed so that we may enter where nothing impure may enter (heaven).
Purgatory is the way to heaven for those of us who are not perfect. It is God’s mud room where we are cleaned up before we can enter His house. Read 1 Corinthians 3. “Saved, but only as if through fire” Hello?
Do you really consider explicit?
Still waiting for your explicit scripture on purgatory. Thx.
Where does the bible say that everything must be explicit?
I’m not ignoring it and it is not inconvenient.
Agreed. My point is Sola is not explicit yet nor is purgatory. It’s touche.
Well, simply stated, I hope that there is some mechanism by which we are saved “as one escaping through fire.” You might read 1 Corinthians 3 and ponder it. Sounds like the “refiner’s fire”, doesn’t it? Why would Paul write such about the day of our judgment? He clearly states that our judgment day is more complicated than simply bursting through the gates and receiving a hearty welcome. Could it just be that he was describing the process of Christ’s blood redeeming us? That process is only called purgatory as it purges us of remaining sin before we enter the Kingdom. It is the shower and shave before our wedding. You do not experience purgatory if you are headed to hell. Why wash a car before sending it to the junkyard?
2 Maccabees 40-46 ( I also contend in is in the NT in Lazarus and the rich man, which many insert the word Hades into because of this very issue. Wow- a need to change sola scriptura - the irony )
This tends to become a circle.
Different people define Sola Scriptura in different ways. I have asked you at least twice to give us your own definition of Sola Scriptura, and as far as I can tell, you have not yet done so. Up until now I have had to base my responses on what I have found to be a general understanding of the term.