Is there ever a situation where a spouse SHOULD separate?

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I just did some checking because I’d never heard of the Christians-as-lamps story. I didn’t see any proof that it actually happened.
 
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I just did some checking because I’d never heard of the Christians-as-lamps story. I didn’t see any proof that it actually happened.
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Ok, I guess you are rejecting the historian Tacitus, which you are free to do. Perhaps you also reject the New Testament?

In any case I am not advocating that Christians become street lamps. I am just saying that we have an obligation to suffer what God ordains for us.
 
Yes, there are lots of references to Tacitus, but also a few historians who aren’t willing to take his writings as absolute truth. (and FWIW, through most of the history of Rome & the early Church, it seems that Christians were usually not targeted specifically–persecuted, yes. Singled out, not so much. Evidently, followers of Isis were more widely and commonly persecuted than were Christians.)

Also, please don’t jump to conclusions that because I question the reliability of Tacitus on one particular topic that I am rejecting the New Testament. 🤨 If I say there are questions about some Galileo’s calculations does that mean I’m a flat-earther?
 
According to Scriptures divorce was only instituted due to the hardness of mans hearts… It’s only allowed in the case of abuse and adultery, but Gods will is for reconciliation, and if that cannot happen He does not permit remarriage unless that person has become a widow.
 
Christians have been tortured and killed in horrific ways from Saul (read the stoning of Stephen, then, do some research into what stoning actually is), through the time of the Romans, across time and across the world. Read about the torture of the early Japanese missionaries and Christians, what about the martyrdom of almost every Christian in Russia.
 
A. I’m not disputing that Christians have been persecuted and martyred from the beginning.
B. I was addressing Rome in particular and making the point that Christians were among many groups who were persecuted at that time
C. Specifically, I was questioning the story that Christians were set afire as lampposts because I had never seen that mentioned anywhere else.
 
Possibly. And yes, I’ve realized many forms of bad behavior. Harsh words and contempt I think might be as bad as anything.
 
We did at one point, bad counselor followed by a good one who helped quite a bit with the more “dramatic” stuff. Getting him there now is I’m not sure even possible as bad “episodes” are spaced pretty far apart so it gets relegated as an anomaly. Though after 25 yrs I know it’s not. I’m personally in counseling.
 
I find your response of greatest interest, as a child of troubled parents. I hope my kids know it was difficult in those young years to set things straight. The problem was that when kids were little my spouse had no problem fighting loud and verbally and being scary in front of children. I could not allow that. That led to counseling finally and the end to “public” outbursts. So, yes, I did wrong I think by not finding a better way to take a stand during those years, scheduling kids to be away. When I ultimately decide/decided to “set something straight” I would ready for Armageddon, but shocked when met consistently by meekness and rollover, only to get zapped hard later over something trivial and when least expected. Much of what’s most wrong is between he and I personally. I hope this again protected children from damage. Ironically we agree on almost 99% of judgments calls as to kids and money and etc., so those arguments weren’t necessary. Sadly we function best when I am hanging a guillotine over his head; when I try to turn nice, it starts up again.
I am sorry about your parents. I find it amazing that one person has the strength to stand up and say “knock it off” and another doesn’t, and that the person, your dad, acts so different between the two. One psychiatrist told me to act like a dog- if someone bites, bite back hard and fast. It does work, but I was just unable to do it in front of kids. For all the kids out there who feel this way, I’d like to apologize. Protection is first instinct but as you say it’s really not ideal example at all.
 
I don’t think that getting advice from random people on the internet is a great way to tackle a diffi ult and personal problem.
 
I understand. What about a priest you don’t know, one that perhaps works at a church you don’t go to? Etc.

but yes, definitely professional help is highly suggested.
 
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