Is there hope for me even though I am not Roman Catholic?

[whatisthetruth]

cont…

That is God’s word to me, I am sorry if you do not hear God telling you that too.

I never said that I do not hear God telling me that, try and stick to the facts!

Ok I will try, honestly

**Did God tell you that you, personally, will go to Heaven or are you here referring to your understanding of Scripture. **

As per the auto mechanic scenario, God interpreted for me, in prayer, by the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit the meaning of His word.

For example,

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John3:16

Apparently God Told you a differnt meaning than He told me, as to why only God knows.

From John 3:16 God told me, He loved me so much that He gave me two gifts,

1st gift Jesus

and that if I believe in Him (Jesus), I should not perish (saved from hell)

and since He loved me so much He gives me His

2nd gift eternal life in heaven.

of course there is a commitment of faith which goes along with that as told in the bible.

As we are finding out **there are a lot of verses in the bible **where everyone in the Christian family may not necessarily agree on what God is saying by any one verse.

If only life and understanding God was as easy as…
I know He is, just listen to His word
That is good for starters

**Im sorry but I find your gesturing disingenous. **

I am sorry, I will be more sensitive in the future and choose my words better.

If you have had a private revelation(like St Faustina and many others ) lay it on the table and let us know that "God said this to me"

I promise you I will continue to do so as I have been doing so as per the scenario above.

However, If God should tell me something that is not in scripture I will be happy to share with you too.

BTW, can you do the same?

dont keep playing games

I am sorry you feel I am playing games, my heart bleeds that we Christians can not agree one with another.

In all honesty, how do you all feel the outside unbelieving world sees us when they are out there looking in?

Scary thought, isn’t it?

I AM NOT playing games.
Look at the Shine Jesus Shine thread I posted and lets give the “lost” world hope in Jesus name,
Amen??

like substituting your name into a Scripture verse and pretending that that is “God speaking” to you.

And why not plug names into scripture?.

Isn’t God’s word, the bible, personal.

When I read John 3:16, aren’t I part of the world to which God is referring?

When I read the bible, I change all the you’s and your’s in the bible to me’s and I.

When one does that, the message of God’s word can not help but become personal.

And I do not believe I am doing anything against God’s will.

Look at the following and you will know exactly what I mean.
Fathers Love Letter

I believe Scripture can not get any more personal than that.
May God bless with His word

Do you see what I am talking about?

And if you havent had a private revelation regarding your personal salvation, simply have the courtesy to admit it rather than pretending that I have distorted the truth or have offended you.

My personal salvation was promised to me, by faith according to God’s word, directly from God and the bible as per the scenario I described above.

At this point I believe we understand each other.
I am really sorry for all the misunderstandings

**This has nothing to do with whether or not I believe you are saved - of course I hope that you are. **

Thank you, as I pray and hope you are. I would not wish hell on my worst enemy.

This simply has to do with being honest - you know, what is the truth?

to that I agree 100% at least we agree 100% with each other on something. this is definitely a good start.

Having said that, I am taken back a little, I hope it is another misunderstanding

Do I take it from you saying,
“this simply has to do with being honest”,
that you felt at any time I was being any less than honest in what I posted here???

Thank you

God bless you

truth

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CalmDownWisWins
I, personally, am prepared for heaven right now, as heaven would be the answer to all my hopes, but I’m only as suitable for heaven right now as I am, which is thoroughly unworthy, in my opinion, and utterly at the mercy of God in getting there.

You will probably presumptuously say, “I am prepared for heaven right now!”, but you’ve shown me that you are not prepared to give up your pet-comfort of “need for certainty in the God-ordained-uncertain”, which means that you may “be prepared” for heaven right now, meaning “I’m ready for my CAKE now!”, but you’re not suitable for heaven right now.

“but you’re not suitable for heaven right now”
NAme me someone who is

Uh, Whatis, that is my whole point!

What do you think you mean when you say you’re “Prepared for heaven”? Since we can never be **prepared **to be worthy, but only **hopeful **that we will choose to accept heaven by developing a character which is in the habit of choosing God over self, what do you mean my being “prepared” if not “having developed your character to habitually accept God”?

You (Whatis) said this:
As you are being transformed by God along your spiritual day to day journey with Him in preparation for the day he calls you home,

Are you prepeared should that call come right now?

Your use of the word “prepared” above is a past/present perfect use, which just means that you are asking if I’m NOW COMPLETELY PREPARED (having in my possession thorough preparation) for my destiny (hopefull heaven).

If that is the question you meant to ask, then I respond that NO ONE is PREPARED for death so as to KNOW that they are “assured” heaven because there is no way to be “completely prepared”.

One can certainly “prepare” one’s-self to get their bought-and-paid-for reward, by putting on our “Sunday best” and having our acceptance speech memorized and practiced, and having the vaseline on the teeth so that the grateful smile doesn’t stick,…

…but to be “prepared” as opposed to being “preparing” is an impossibility, and the attitude of “being prepared” in the perfect-tense is grounds for admittance to hell.

Now, to answer the question that you SHOULD have asked:

Am I **preparing **for my moment of decision to choose God? Not nearly as well as I should be, and I’d REALLY better do better at it!

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

I will take care to post my comments from this point back up with sensitivity to your feelings, especially when seeking answers to questions in areas of our differences.

I realize you belief what you do because you believe it to be the solid “Rock” truth

I can promise you that I believe what I do because I believe it to be the solid “Rock” truth

In order to understand each other better, I am offering for all to find a little bit of soft spot in thier “Rock” in our responses to each other.

My “Rock” has no soft spots. Why would it be wise to build a massive and important structure (which is our faith) on a bedrock foundation, and/or with a foundation stone, that has “soft spots”?

I realize that “comfort” in being nonconfrontational, in “false **unity **via compromised doctrine”, is more important than actual revealed truth to you, and I personally am of the opinion that you do in fact possess invincible-ignorance of the full truth because of your unconscious (obviously unconscious) avoidance of accepting the statements of the Church by refocusing on “being Jesus-like by soothing ruffled feathers” in a very sincere way.

The fact that you use the “koom-buy-ah” routine to deflect having to get down to brass-tacks about your basic reasoning for believing, for example, that “assurance” means “unassured assurance”, and that because you are as worthy as the good thief was that you too are assured heaven because you choose to identify with the good thief.

The question is not to find “soft spots” in our respective beliefs whereby we (Catholics) can agree (with you) that some God given commands are unecessary, and in fact perhaps evil in themselves, but what the truth actually is.

Since your authority for knowing truth is “Pope Whatis”, and ours is, to you, “The Corrupt Usurping AUTHORITY who claims to BE God”, we need to get over THAT barrier before any unity QUA UNITY can be considered.

So, unless you want to work on why it is that you consider our source of authority (interpreter of “God’s [hopefully!] communications”) less (not even MORE!) authoritative than yours, we’ll continue to go round and round in circles forever, because…

.there ARE NO SOFT SPOTS in true doctrine and belief which creates faith! If your’s have “soft spots” then I’m left to conclude that your doctrine, belief and faith are not true.

I have to believe even though Jesus is the “Rock” of truth, He Himself had not a little soft spots but many of them.

Of course you have to believe that. It’s the only way you can justify your heresies.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Correct - your assurance is based upon your interpretation of Scripture (ie “word of God”). You have also stated that you are not infallible in your interpretation of Scripture. Therefore, your assurance is based on your fallible interpretation of Scripture and not on personal revelation. Where am I not stating facts?

Ahh, ok. I see your meaning.
The reason why I am saying that God promised me is because it is in Scripture and He comfirmed for me what He meant.

Consider an auto manual, auto mechanic and me.

If I knew nothing about how to repair my car, I might seek the owners manual for direction on how to do the repair work I needed.

If I did not understand something, I might seek the owner of the manual to interpret what he meant by “__________” so that I would understand what is written.

Having done that, I took action and repaired my car as directed by not only by what was written in the MANUAL (bible) but also aided by a private conversation with the owner(GOD) to help me interpret the directions in the manual (bible).

I could not have repaired my car correctly if the owner(GOD) did not interpret, for me, the directions in the MANUAL (bible)correctly.

Your error here is that you can not be sure that the “owner” is who he says he is! You have no way to know, by using only the real Owner’s owner’s manual, that the person you are talking to who you “interpret” as the “owner” is in fact the Owner.

All other conclusions are drawn from this “puzzle”, which you refuse to admit exists.

If I said to you,
“with the help of the owner’s manual, I was able to fix my car”,
would I be lying to you?

If I said to you,
with the help of a private personal conversation with the owner to help me interpret the words in the owner’s manual, I was able to fix my car,
would I be lying to you?

Conclusion,

If I said to you, in order for me to repair my car, I not only read the owner’s manual, but I also had a private conversation with the owner to help me interpret the words in the owner’s manual,
would I be lying to you?

You could potentially be, though not intentionally. The fact that you don’t see that possibility is how you can be (potentially) invincibly ignorant and not culpable for your error.

You are (potentially) not LYING, but not-lying is not equivalent to telling the truth.

Since we know that you are potentially not truth-telling, perhaps innocently, we seek to protect ourselves and our loved-ones, one of whom is you, to see that you are in error and need correction.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

As per the auto mechanic scenario, God interpreted for me, in prayer, by the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit the meaning of His word.

This is the definition (stated slightly wrong) of “private revelation”.

When you say that “God interpreted for you”, what you really mean is that you interpreted a communication from “someone”, hopefully God, as to what scripture means.

God does not interpret. God simply states. When we hear statements, the process from “stimuli” to meaning is called interpretation. We interpret all incoming stimuli. When you “hear God’s (hopefully) statements” you then interpret them, so that they are meaningful to you.

Your inability to admit that this process is how human beings understand meaning is extremely dangerous, and the prime cause of your error.

For example,

Quote:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John3:16

Apparently God Told you a differnt meaning than He told me, as to why only God knows.

How is it possible the God would give different meanings to the same words to different people?

If we are GUARANTEED that only truth is communicated to us by the Holy Spirit in our “private revelations”, how is this possible?

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

I am sorry you feel I am playing games, my heart bleeds that we Christians can not agree one with another.

In all honesty, how do you all feel the outside unbelieving world sees us when they are out there looking in?

Scary thought, isn’t it?

Which would you prefer to have being seen:

All Christians agreeing with one another in the unity of accepting non-truth as truth?

A very large portion of Christianity believing a coherent set of truths and trying to convince all other Christians of that truth by persuasion, regardless of all the multitudinous protestations that unity is more important than truth?

 

[fbl9]

hi all if there is one thing non beleivers and nccs have in common it is that the catholic church is not the true church.after some pondering of my life so far i noticed one thing that when i was living a life of disbeilf i had a hatered of sincre catholics but regarded most ncc as the true beleivers.now those that i once despised are the ones i ask for spiritual help and prayers. makes one think if one really wants to be honest with themselves. look at it this way i was in darkness and when one wants to live in darkness the natural tendancy is hate the light so how could i look up to those who claimed to be the light and hate those in who i" knew "to be in darkness.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi CalmDownWisWins,

How you been?

I love your comments, keep them coming.

I will be happy to explain myself once again.

on the matter of soft spots in regard to Jesus, when I said this,

I have to believe even though Jesus is the “Rock” of truth, He Himself had not a little soft spots but many of them.

I was thinking of loveformary’s testimony of Jesus in,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3238145&postcount=16

and then the picture 2nd Gen used in reply to love4mary post
in the following

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=3238178&postcount=17

I am crying right now, because I believe Jesus has the same soft spot for you and for everyone else here and in the world…

Jesus you that much

God bless you brother

Truth

 

[Philthy]

Hi again Philthy,

**

**Im only sure that you stated in prior posts that your assurance was based upon God’s promises in Scripture (and not on personal revelation.) Are you claiming you had a private revelation where God revealed your eternal destiny or not? **

 

[Philthy]

whatisthetruth:

Apparently God Told you a differnt meaning than He told me, as to why only God knows.

God has told me nothing about you.

From John 3:16 God told me, He loved me so much that He gave me two gifts,
1st gift Jesus
and that if I believe in Him (Jesus), I should not perish (saved from hell)

Just out of curiosity, what does the “should not” mean in this first gift? How is the “should not perish” reconciled with the “absolute assurance” of salvation?

and since He loved me so much He gives me His
2nd gift eternal life in heaven.

Again, just out of curiosity, is eternal life here talking about Heaven? Do we not experience eternal life now as well?

of course there is a commitment of faith which goes along with that as told in the bible.

Which, of course, changes everything! We still have a life to live, a race to run, and we need to “persevere to the end”. But I can still see where it is comforting to have assurance that if you died right now youd go to Heaven. It’s basically stating that, “Hey - God tells me Im in a state of grace!”

like substituting your name into a Scripture verse and pretending that that is “God speaking” to you.
And why not plug names into scripture?.

**

I said substitute a name AND pretend that it is “God speaking” to you. And one reason is because we are trying to have a genuine conversation about assurance of salvation, where we actually understand each other, and not simply an exchange of ideas about what you think is a spiritually enriching exercise. Right?

**

Isn’t God’s word, the bible, personal.
When I read John 3:16, aren’t I part of the world to which God is referring? When I read the bible, I change all the you’s and your’s in the bible to me’s and I. When one does that, the message of God’s word can not help but become personal. And I do not believe I am doing anything against God’s will.

I dont think you are either. It has nothing to do with this thread, however.

Look at the following and you will know exactly what I mean.Fathers Love Letter

I enjoyed this - thanks.
**

And if you havent had a private revelation regarding your personal salvation, simply have the courtesy to admit it rather than pretending that I have distorted the truth or have offended you.

**
My personal salvation was promised to me, by faith according to God’s word, directly from God and the bible as per the scenario I described above.**
Which, when you really think about it, makes one wonder why you really started a thread titled"Is there hope for me…?" when, in fact, you dont actually question whether there is hope for you - you are certain of it. I mean once you are certain of it - and it doesnt get any surer than “God told me so” - how can you possibly come to dialogue genuinely looking for answers? You already have the answer you seek. Correct?
And while we are being honest, the particular wording that you use as your personal revelation from God of " if I should die right now…" is something I’ve heard from about a hundred people before and that takes away some of its luster. Im telling you this not to discourage you, but just so you can appreciate my perspective.

**

Do I take it from you saying,

“this simply has to do with being honest”,
that you felt at any time I was being any less than honest in what I posted here???]

You’re a right brained, touchy feely type - I tend to be more left brained and am more logical/analytical. You are a little less concerned with and/or capable of articulating yourself precisely. I dont think you are being dishonest - you simply didnt - and dont - realize how your comments are sometimes loose and unclear. That can make them appear to be purposely evasive, when in fact, you simply didnt realize all the ambiguities created by your wording. I’ll stop talking now because I can tell Im overanalyzing and you probably couldnt care less!

Can I ask you a question? When (as in what year) were you born again?

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Hi CalmDownWisWins,

on the matter of soft spots in regard to Jesus, when I said this,
…
I am crying right now, because I believe Jesus has the same soft spot for you and for everyone else here and in the world…

Jesus you that much

God bless you brother

Truth

The mercy of God is infinite, and there is NO wish on His part for us for anything but to have the perfect love which is heaven.

That is not a “soft spot”, but a complete soft-ness, which is the whole of God.

Since what we were talking about was being “soft” in relation to being “compromising” of those things which keep us from “Christian Unity”, however one defines “unity”, my comments were not about Jesus’ “softness” in His infinite mercy with us in all but our choices, my comments concerned valuing truth over “unity” and how having a “soft” foundation for one’s faith is doing a disservice to God as He has been revealed to us.

EDIT: I didn’t notice at first how little you have answered my questions (and/or statements). You may not have gotten around to it quite yet, which I’ll assume is the reason.

At any rate, your responses are VERY much anticipated, as you are a very rare and valuable protestant who actually has that old “sticktoitiveness” thing happening!

Thanks for your intrepid perspicacity!

 

[rinnie]

Hi all,

I have been in conversations with many Roman Catholics trying to get an answer to a question I been asking in numerous threads.

It is my hope I can get an answer which we all can learn from.

The question at hand, based on the scenario I presented below,

Is there hope for me to spend eternity in heaven?

If no, then why do you believe there is no hope for me to spend eternity in heaven?

If yes, then how do you believe there is hope for me to spend eternity in heaven?

**I can promise you this,

I am not trying to be a smart alec.
I am sincerely seeking the truth to the below scenario I present to all who want to reply.

I personally am not in the below situation, but I can make a pretty good guess that somebody in prison who our churches visit are in a situation similiar to the scenario I described.**

This is what was stated to me by a Roman Catholic here,

To that I created the following scenario,

I am a loner, I was, at one time in my life, introduced to the Roman catholic faith and did not take interest.

I have been a thief all my life and eventually I go to jail. I am too old and I will die behind bars.

One day a Christian visits me in jail, talks to me about Jesus and leaves me a bible.

Based on your beliefs,

Let’s assume tonight I am going to die in that jail cell.

if I am about to die a non-Roman Catholic
if I never committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

and

if I never get a visit from a Catholic priest in my final moments of my life, again, I will die a non Roman Catholic,

Do you believe there is hope for me to spend eternity in heaven?

If yes, then how do you believe there is hope for me to spend eternity in heaven?

If no, then why do you believe there is no hope for me to spend eternity in heaven?

In other words, I am asking,

Do you believe there is any other way for me to be saved from the fires of hell in my situation desribed above?

This is the one question I can not get a firm answer on either way.

If yes, then how do you believe there is hope for me to spend eternity in heaven?

If no, then why do you believe there is no hope for me to spend eternity in heaven?

I am sincerely seeking the truth of what you believe about eternal salvation.

My thoughts are this,

If the thief on the cross (his deathbed), by faith in Jesus, and with sincere repentatance and confession and belief in the Lord Jesus, can be welcomed back and saved by the Lord, I believe in the same way the Lord will also welome back and save one who…

worships other Gods
worships idols
takes the Lord’s name in vain
dishonors the Sabbath
dishonors their parents
murders
commits adultery
steals (I am the thief in jail)
lies

and

covets.

And don’t we all fall into sin in one of the above?

Question
If God saved a thief on his death bed and let him know of his eternal destiny, why wouldn’t He save us and let us know of our own eternal destiny before we take our last breath?

Do you believe one can leave this earth knowing for sure of their own eternal destiny, with a promise from God just like the thief on the cross, should they die right now?

I personally believe there is a way for the (thief in jail) to be saved which I have expressed in one way or another in different threads here.

In my recent thread, regarding the thief on the cross and the possible message from God being sent through that story, only 1 person responded.

I invite you to respond to,

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=212280

Thank you,

God

truth

I havent had time to read any other responses but this one is an easy one. The Roman Catholic that told you that was wrong. Or you took what he said wrong. The Pope said that you have untill you take your last breath to except Jesus Christ. Now if you are asking if you can do anything you want in this world and then say Im sorry God didnt mean it and you are going to get a ride straight up to heaven, No. its doesnt work that way. You must Repent. you must confess your sins to Jesus and then he will decide on whats going to happen. There is no person in this world that can tell you what Jesus will say. No One. But you must Repent if not in this world than in the next. We are all going to pay for our sins either in this world or the next. Hey maybe both who knows. But thats Gods call. But you do have untill the last breath to Accept him. There is not a soul in this world that God doesnt want to be with him. You choose him or hell. And what is hell. Hell is when you dont choose him. ITs your choice. Isnt God awesome.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi, CalmDownWisWins

I want to thank you for your time and heart as you have so willingly shown me both in the thread and from the PM’s you sent me.

I admire your commitment and dedication to your faith.

I want to offer you my apology for reacting in the way I did on the thread.

Reacting to your post is exactly what I did instead of pausing and “taking a breath” and first realizing the reason for you responding in the way you did.

When I reacted to your post, I did not notice this,

your post,

Since we know that you are potentially not truth-telling, perhaps innocently, we seek to protect ourselves and our loved-ones, one of whom is you, to see that you are in error and need correction

Is that why you said the following?

your post,

When you say that “God interpreted for you”, what you really mean is that you interpreted a communication from “someone”, hopefully God…

Since your authority for knowing truth is “Pope Whatis”, and ours is, to you, “The Corrupt Usurping AUTHORITY who claims to BE God”,

CalmDownWisWins, I am sorry you see me as “The Corrupt Usurping AUTHORITY”.

I find it amazing that just a few posts back when I declared the core of my belief,

whatisthetruth

BTW, I now believe that salvation can only be found through Jesus Christ.
No church, prayer, person or book can save a soul.
Even just believing Jesus does not save you.
I believe, believing in Jesus is evidence of the faithful and there is a big difference between believing and believing in Jesus Christ.

I believe, the resouces I listed, help in directing the “path” to salvation, but I believe the only way to be saved is first by faith in Jesus Christ and then act according to God’s word as evidence of that faith.

to which you replied,

**WOW! That’s exactly what I believe too!

When you exclaimed that WOW, I realized, if nothing else, we believe in the same God, the same Jesus Christ.**

May I ask you what caused you to reply with a WOW!!?​

CalmDownWisWins, just like I have done to take a breath and realize the reason for you posting the way you did, may I ask you to do the same as to why I would say Jesus the “rock” has many soft spots.

May I refer you to the heart gripping testimony of
love4mary

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost…5&postcount=16

and the tender reply by 2nd Gen, esecially the picture in the post.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost…8&postcount=17
Jesus, even though He is a “rock” does have a soft spot for all His chidren who He loves so dearly,

Agree??

Did you see I answered your question about accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior?.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost…&postcount=206

God bless you,

Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you again.

Lets keep our conversation going.

What do you say?

Truth

 

[whatisthetruth]

I havent had time to read any other responses but this one is an easy one. The Roman Catholic that told you that was wrong. Or you took what he said wrong. The Pope said that you have untill you take your last breath to except Jesus Christ. Now if you are asking if you can do anything you want in this world and then say Im sorry God didnt mean it and you are going to get a ride straight up to heaven, No. its doesnt work that way. You must Repent. you must confess your sins to Jesus and then he will decide on whats going to happen. There is no person in this world that can tell you what Jesus will say. No One. But you must Repent if not in this world than in the next. We are all going to pay for our sins either in this world or the next. Hey maybe both who knows. But thats Gods call. But you do have untill the last breath to Accept him. There is not a soul in this world that God doesnt want to be with him. You choose him or hell. And what is hell. Hell is when you dont choose him. ITs your choice. Isnt God awesome.

Thank you Rinnie,

I have been believing what you believe all along,

we have until our last breath to ACCEPT JESUS but it MUST be with a sincere heart and ONLY GOD KNOWS our heart.

Absolutely God is awesome.

Thank you and God bless,

truth

 

[whatisthetruth]

The mercy of God is infinite, and there is NO wish on His part for us for anything but to have the perfect love which is heaven.’

Amen and may I say Amen again?

Can I throw in an Alleluia?

That is not a “soft spot”, but a complete soft-ness, which is the whole of God.

Oh ok you call it softness I refered to it as a soft spot,

Lets rock, I am with you

From now on I’ll refer the whole of God as softness too:thumbsup:

Since what we were talking about was being “soft” in relation to being “compromising” of those things which keep us from “Christian Unity”, however one defines “unity”, my comments were not about Jesus’ “softness” in His infinite mercy with us in all but our choices, my comments concerned valuing truth over “unity” and how having a “soft” foundation for one’s faith is doing a disservice to God as He has been revealed to us.

Here again we misunderstood each other, it is all good. I got you this time.

But since you said what you did, I agree with you 100% that for anyone to have a “soft” foundation for thier faith is doing a disservice to God.

When I encouraged all to have a soft spot, I wasn’t referring in regards to thier faith, i was referring to have a “softness” in our communucation one with another as described above.

EDIT: I didn’t notice at first how little you have answered my questions (and/or statements). You may not have gotten around to it quite yet, which I’ll assume is the reason.

You have posted a lot. I do have other things in my personal life other than spending time on this board. You have posted a lot and I answered everything up to including my “I am leaving the thread message”,

I guess God had plans for me to stay here a little longer.

I will try to get to them, I am not ignoring you. OK???

**At any rate, your responses are VERY much anticipated, as you are a

very rare and valuable protestant **

I appreciate you saying that. And by the way, I do not have a big head because you said it.

Believe me there are a lot more “protestants” who have the same beliefs I do.

CalmDownWisWins, I believe I know why God called me here.
You just said it in those four words.

very rare and valuable protestant

Kolbe said it when indicated to me that

I might be consider a minority among the “protestant” family

I am, saddened, frustrated, confused on how any Christian can declare “I am saved” and then think they can sin thier way to heaven because God is merciful and will forgive them.

If anyone truely believes that and consciously lives thier Christian life with that belief, thier is one advice I would give that person, which my pastor loves to say, "Get A Life"

I do not want to harsh over old references, but that is why I valued the Paul Washer video. If you believe I am a valued “protestant”
you will rave over what Paul says.

Can I ask you, did you notice what Kolbe said to me about the video?
**
who actually has that old “sticktoitiveness” thing happening!**

thank you again

I happy to say you are witnessing evidence of my rock hard faith which Satan will need to work extra hard to break.
I do not mind saying again, you and a lot of people here might just have harder rocks of faith than I do.

I have met some dedicated faithful people here.

To that I say,

WOW

I mean

WOW

I really mean

WOW :extrahappy:

**Thanks for your intrepid perspicacity! **
You are most welcome Just to let you know, you caused me to look up perspicacity in the dictionary.
perspicacious: of acute mental vision or discernment

see I am always learning, thank you .

I enjoy this way of communicating a lot better, thank you CalmDownWisWins

God bless you

truth

 

[mercygate]

I enjoy this way of communicating a lot better, thank you CalmDownWisWins

God bless you

truth

That’s good because only the two of you have any idea at all of which one of you is saying what in these dialogues. It is exhausting to read these things interminable posts formatted this way.

 

[jmcrae]

That’s good because only the two of you have any idea at all of which one of you is saying what in these dialogues. It is exhausting to read these things interminable posts formatted this way.

True; I can’t tell one from the other.

Could it be possible for you guys to just use traditional quotes, instead of the dizzying array of rainbow colours, font changes, and bolding, etc.?

 

[rinnie]

Thank you Rinnie,

I have been believing what you believe all along,

we have until our last breath to ACCEPT JESUS but it MUST be with a sincere heart and ONLY GOD KNOWS our heart.

Absolutely God is awesome.

Thank you and God bless,

truth

Yes and see thats the point people sometimes dont see. You can fool every single person in this world But not God. Its impossible to lie to him…You cant. And that is how God knows if you are truley one of his… Because you wouldnt even try. Especially at that point. Even the guy on the cross said i admit i deserve this… Now God said you are forgiven. God knew he meant it.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Quote:
Since we know that you are potentially not truth-telling, perhaps innocently, we seek to protect ourselves and our loved-ones, one of whom is you, to see that you are in error and need correction

Is that why you said the following?

your post,
Quote:
When you say that “God interpreted for you”, what you really mean is that you interpreted a communication from “someone”, hopefully God…

I said the former quoted-bit to show you what we see when someone justifies a private revelation in an unjustifiable way, by not checking that private revelation with the Church.

I said the latter quoted-bit to inform you of what private revelation is, and how it can be dangerous.

So, since the the latter quote exposes a danger, and the former quote is our typical reaction to the exposure OF dangers, they are linked. The former is our reaction to this danger. The latter is our description of the origins of that danger.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Yes and see thats the point people sometimes dont see. You can fool every single person in this world But not God. Its impossible to lie to him…You cant. And that is how God knows if you are truley one of his… Because you wouldnt even try. Especially at that point. Even the guy on the cross said i admit i deserve this… Now God said you are forgiven. God knew he meant it.

God bless you Rinnie:thumbsup: