Is there still racism in America?

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A white guy gets involved in a confrontation with a minority. The minority acts aggressively and the white guy’s instinct is to lash out verbally or fight back in the case that he is assaulted first. However, because it’s in the back of his mind that he could be charged with a hate crime in addition to any charges that would normally arise from a physical conflict, he either hesitates to act in self-defense or engages in action but uses less force than he might ordinarily use. It only takes a split second for a punch to be thrown, and in that moment, massive damage can occur. That hesitation – something the minority may not experience because the laws are not biased against him – gives the advantage to the minority. So the white guy is placed in an artificially-induced vulnerable position.

The white guy is thus “neutered” in a sense.

So the bias of hate crime laws changes the dynamics of conflict by removing the fairness of the fight. There’s no longer a level playing ground because one person is hampered by the knowledge his actions can bring about stricter consequences and as such he’s forced to handicap himself and be willing to bear the greater risk of harm. The hate crime law is a form of psychological control. A subtle one, perhaps, but one that exists nonetheless.
The minority guy might similarly carry a fear that the police or courts will be biased against him because of his race, seeing him as a “thug” who “obviously” started the fight and constituted the greater threat. Does that count in your comparison?

We white folks get away with hurting or killing minorities more often than they get away with hurting or killing us. You are presenting one factor that shows bias but not taking into account all the factors that weigh in favor of the white guy.

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The minority guy might similarly carry a fear that the police or courts will be biased against him because of his race, seeing him as a “thug” who “obviously” started the fight and constituted the greater threat. Does that count in your comparison?
I would grant it’s a possibility, but it doesn’t count much in my comparison. The term “thug” IMO applies less to the color of someone’s skin, and more to a person’s outward appearance (dress, accessories, tattoos), demeanor, language, how one carries himself, and – with opinion being later influenced with the added evidence of past behavior – possible prior arrest records/ convictions. So if a person doesn’t act in a thuggish manner, or have a thuggish past, I don’t really think the fear would be valid. I find it a little difficult believe that the first man in post #56 has any reason to fear being considered a “thug” simply because he’s black. Personally, were I to cross paths with him on the street I would think “gentleman” based upon his appearance, and I think so would most others including arresting officers. Although the second person in post #56 might have good cause to worry about being labeled a thug, despite his white skin, so I don’t see a racial basis to that fear.

But there are a few additional reasons I don’t believe this minority fear holds equal weight. In the first place, what you refer to is the fear that the minority might get convicted of a particular crime (assault, battery, murder, etc) due to a perceived bias. What differentiates the fear of hate crime charges is that not only does the non-minority have to fear the standard charges (like the tattooed white guy in post #56 who would be likely to be thought of as a thug), but that those charges will carry *additional *penalties upon conviction, even though the crime is the same.

Secondly, our court systems allow for changes of venue if a defendant feels that the demographics of the area may indirectly bias their verdict, and even in designated venues racial diversity can be added to juries if the defendant’s attorney can make the case for it. There are methods in place to deter racial discrimination when it comes to trials.

Thirdly, there’s little circumstantial evidence to suggest that minorities have more fear of being arrested for violent crimes against whites. If that were indeed the case, we should see little-to-no violent crime by minorities against whites (as this would imply that they are afraid of attacking them). The statistics, however, show the exact opposite .

fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2012.xls
We white folks get away with hurting or killing minorities more often than they get away with hurting or killing us. You are presenting one factor that shows bias but not taking into account all the factors that weigh in favor of the white guy.

Usagi
If I may ask, what do you use to support your assertion that white folks get away with hurting or killing minorities more than the vice versa?
 
At the time of the presidential race, I saw a bumper sticker which had a picture of a Senator Obama, and a picture of a lion. The caption for the lion was “African Lion”. The caption for the presidential candidate was, “Lying African.”

Those who support the President have frequently pointed out that they consider the labels applied to him, such as “socialist”, as well as the attempts to deny his American birth, as not very subtle examples of racism. By contrast, did anyone dwell on the fact that Senator McCain actually was not born in the US, unlike President Obama? There is an exception to allow persons born in Panama to consider themselves to be legally born in the US. I am not suggesting that McCain was ineligible, but it is ironic that if someone wanted to try to make the case, then it should have been made against him, and not against Obama, who was born in Hawaii. Perhaps the attempt was an example of racism.
 
I agree with this. Homosexuality cannot be compared to race at all because a person is not born gay, and a person can choose to not engage in homosexual activities and they can hide their gayness. A person is born whatever race they are, and blacks can’t hide it or refuse to “look” black. It’s there for everyone to see…

Also I think racism will either always exist, or it will take another 200 years to stamp it out completely.
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I don’t want to be “that guy” but I guess I am.

Our politicians today have been polarizing and dividing us. Just look at Ferguson if you don’t believe me. by false and/or exaggerated accusations, al sharpton, and others in authority create a sharp racial divide where there was little or none before. Its all apart of their jobs and salaries.

So yes. But only because it has been awakened among ignorant people by dishonest politicians.
 
One thing to keep in mind about the FBI is that it is part of the Department of Justice. Therefore it becomes a tool for whatever administration currently occupies the White House.
One administration can use it to target minority organizations while another administration can send 50 agents to investigate a justifiable homicide and ignore a growing terrorist cell in another state. It is a matter of priorities.
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My black friend regularly makes remarks about how being black makes him need fried chicken.

I find it hilarious. I guess I’m a racist.
 
My black friend regularly makes remarks about how being black makes him need fried chicken.

I find it hilarious. I guess I’m a racist.
Fried chicken was a food that was part of the southern diet for both black and white people. The black-people-and-fried-chicken stereotype came from a movie called “Birth of a Nation.” (available on Netflix ). The movie was a supposedly heroic story about the Ku Klux Klan and after it’s release there was a surge in new members joining the group. The specific scene of the movie from which the stereotype comes was a scene in which black legislators (all played by white people in black face) are in front of a rowdy crowd. One of the legislatures was drinking, others had their feet on the desk, another was rather enthusiastically eating fried chicken. Why the fried chicken image is one of the ones that had an impact on how black people were viewed is unknown to me.
 
There is still a lot of racism in the US unfortunately, and it is intertwined with our culture. One does not see this readily unless they have lived in another country. There is racism in every country of course but it is exaggerated in the US.

Also, we may say something funny or use a term that is racist without having being racist just because it is something popular in culture.

I grew up in the Deep South and never considered myself racist and in fact married a multiracial women but still I learned I had some false perceptions about blacks. The reality is when one is awash in a racist society from an early age whether we want to or not we can be affected in our thinking. This can easily be combated by comparing one’s conscience and words with the Gospel.
 
There is still a lot of racism in the US unfortunately, and it is intertwined with our culture. One does not see this readily unless they have lived in another country. There is racism in every country of course but it is exaggerated in the US.

Also, we may say something funny or use a term that is racist without having being racist just because it is something popular in culture.

I grew up in the Deep South and never considered myself racist and in fact married a multiracial women but still I learned I had some false perceptions about blacks. The reality is when one is awash in a racist society from an early age whether we want to or not we can be affected in our thinking. This can easily be combated by comparing one’s conscience and words with the Gospel.
BrassAnkles - We certainly don’t agree on many social issues, but on this we do. The Eric Garner case is such an horrible example of how things have NOT changed in the last fifty years. I’m horrified at the outcome of the grand jury and hope that the Feds will intervene with a Civil Rights violation. I had many discussions with my black students, both male and female, about the correct addictions to take if stopped by the police for any reason. Sad commentary in 2014.😦
 
The Eric Garner case is such an horrible example of how things have NOT changed in the last fifty years.
What is it that makes the Garner case an example of racism? The fact that he was black? Is every bad thing that happens to blacks because of racist behavior? How do you distinguish racist acts from non-racist ones?

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