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Bill_Pick
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If a person die for his church say some one that is kill will go to heaven.
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ralphinal
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That was the original story. It is no longer accepted as true.
There is no clear answer on that one, to be honest.
By definition, a martyr is someone who dies because of their faith in Christ or because of their trust in the Church. So, yes, she would be considered a martyr (if it was true).
However, that does not mean that the Church would see her as a saint. It does not mean that they would not, either. Several years ago, Pope JPII canonized a group of missionaries who died in Africa as martyrs. The only problem was that part of that group (almost half, if I remember correctly) were Anglican. The theological discussion was if the Pope could or did canonize Anglicans as saints. No real answer was ever given as I recall, just discussion.
Now, in my opinion, anyone who dies to defend the Faith, even if they are a pagan, is a martyr and is in heaven.
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ralphinal
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As a Lutheran, you agree that baptism covers sin, so a baptised baby is still a sinner but is not guilty of any sin. Now, at what point are they able to sin again? 15 days old? 15 years old? Somewhere in between?As I explained earlier - we are not sinners because we commit sin, we commit sin because we are sinners.
So by definition, a human being = going to hell.
The only exception possible is to be Christian.
It’s not our actions in and of themselves that condemn us, it’s what we ARE that condemn us. The actions are merely symptoms of the disease.
Now, could you answer my question?
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Xavierlives
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Well I read somewhere that this girl refuting Cassie’s “testimony” was not even near Cassie during her death but on the other side of the room.
Also, I am more likely to believe an excited utterance of a person than a person who had 5 to 10 years to think about the moment (I can’t remember when this “new” account of Cassie’s last moments).
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ralphinal
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Some of the kids that refute the story did so up front.
A good story is the one of the girl who positioned herself above the jock, telling him to be quiet and maybe she could hide him. I saw both of them interviewed a few weeks later, and the parents were gushing over how wonderful a thing she did to save their son, and the boy was like “yeah, whatever” and admitted that he still never talks to her! The girl said that she would do it again, anyway
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LutheranDK
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The short one-line-answer is “somewhere in between”.
The better answer is: I don’t know. However, I see it as being of little consequence: If someone is baptized and grows up in the Faith, and sticks to it, then all of the blessings of Baptism is still upon that person. If he/she does not stick with the Faith, then they were baptized in vain. Human beings are not damned for what we do, but for who we are. What we do are symptoms of the disease.
So yes, I might speak of an “age of reason”, but in an entirely difference sense than what we’re talking of here. Because what I asked for was the (supposedly, since there seems to be disagreement even amongst RCs on this) “age of reason”, as meaning “the age where you start to sin and therefore are heading for hell”.
The “age of reason” is in my view an entirely psychological thing, which deals with our cognitive development, and not an emergency exit from an uncomfortable discussion, to put it mildly, granting persons under “the age of reason” free passes.
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LutheranDK
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I’m sorry, that didn’t make a whole lot of sense?
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Bill_Pick
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Now, at what point are they able to sin again? 15 days old? 15 years old? Somewhere in between,I do not know if this can be answer,its left to God and not man,I think at one time the age was 13 but like I said its up to God
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PJM
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***It stems from an understanding of God’s Divine Nature [limited of course but nevertheless sufficient to know God] and has to do with two issues.
First: Awareness that God is and has to be “all and only Good” which allows us to grasp that God by His very Nature must be, both just and fair.
Second: Only the angels in heaven and humanity on earth share in the Divine attributes [again us in a limited manner] and possess a mind, intellect and freewill.
From this we are able to conclude that because only humanity on earth is so endowed, God must have a specific purpose in gifting us with these THINGS, which too are Spiritual.
And Isaiah 43: 7 and 21 as well as Rom. 14:11, and Eph. 1: 12, 14 tell us that this reason is namely to give honor, glory and praise to our God freely and frequently.
Indeed that is the precise reason for God having Created humanity.
For God then to either ignore th fact that He gave us these gifts for this specific reason, or to override these gifts, is to deny God’s Divine Justice and Fairness. Not possible.
Because one has to attain the “age of reason” in order to be fairly and justly judged, the Church applies this standard.
The Church presumes this age to be “Seven” knowing that some might attain “reason” sooner or a bit later. ***
[ICCC 1"244 First Holy Communion. Having become a child of God clothed with the wedding garment, the neophyte is admitted “to the marriage supper of the Lamb” and receives the food of the new life, the body and blood of Christ. The Eastern Churches maintain a lively awareness of the unity of Christian initiation by giving Holy Communion to all the newly baptized and confirmed, even little children, recalling the Lord’s words: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them.” The Latin Church, which reserves admission to Holy Communion to those who have attained the age of reason, expresses the orientation of Baptism to the Eucharist by having the newly baptized child brought to the altar for the praying of the Our Father."]
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