Is this acceptable behaviour of Muhammed in Ramadan!

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I dont get it Br Sam,
normally you complain Muhammed (pbuh) has no control over his sexual desire.
Now in the example he french kisses and goes no further.

Is it that he does have self control or doesn’t you can not have it both ways to suite personal agenda?

Or do you have a personal problem with French kissing that it is some how perverse?

As for the poster that said in lent we dont obstain speak for your self LOL.
I think you are very right about it being personal with God.
Even though we collectively commit together.

My personal experience of Muslims is they have great strength in devotions, at times lacking in Christians.

We should never try to find fault in what we dont do as devotion, this was not to you Br Sam as i know you are blessed with devotion practice strength when u want it.
 
elwill said:
**what is the problem with someone kissing his wife during the fast **?

what is the relation between perfect example of mohammed (pbuh) and kissing the wife ?

sorry , i just need to put my hand on the problem first 😛
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No problem Elwill:).So what is the problem if a man do sexual intercourse with his wife during fast;)?Why it is prohibited in Ramadan?
 
elwill said:
honestly , i never knew that mere kissing is prohibited , it’s okey to kiss your child and its okey to kiss your mom and it’s okey to kiss your wife
but it’s not okey to intercourse with her , it’s not okey to make your yourself arrive to orgasm

secondly , the prophet was fast weekly , not in ramadan only . ( at least two days weekly)

thirdly , yes when i marry insha allah , i will kiss my wife if it wasn’t prohibited .

is there any problems with christianity as an example if someone kiss his wife during fast ?
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kiss to children or parents is different than kiss to spouse.And as sam said that, Muhammed sucked his wife’s tongue, so wasn’t that a kiss with desire?that was french kiss!desire for wife is natural,but during fast?really odd!
 
Steven_John said:
normally you complain Muhammed (pbuh) has no control over his sexual desire.
Now in the example he french kisses and goes no further.
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Because simply French kissing (mouth to mouth) is an sexual act, anything which leads to lust considered sexual.

Muhammed should have fasted even on that, not only foods and drinks.
 
Sam_777 said:
Because simply French kissing (mouth to mouth) is an sexual act, anything which leads to lust considered sexual.

Muhammed should have fasted even on that, not only foods and drinks.
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In before Muslims say “Kissing isn’t sexual, I kiss my children!”

The more they deny, the more we give proof, so they’re really helping us out.
 
Sam_777 said:
Because simply French kissing (mouth to mouth) is an sexual act, anything which leads to lust considered sexual.

Muhammed should have fasted even on that, not only foods and drinks.
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I agree with you from the Christian understanding but it is not the same for Muslims (well 2 my Knowledge) for them its about the completion of the act.
 
Steven_John said:
I agree with you from the Christian understanding but it is not the same for Muslims (well 2 my Knowledge) for them its about the completion of the act.
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well…perhaps for Muhammad everything was permissible, things that are not permissible even for his followers, remember he’s the prophet!:eek:

I remember my muslim friends here in Indonesia feel very guilty of going with their girlfriends without anybody accompany them, let alone kissing their girlfriends!

It’s always double standard when it comes to the prophet!
 
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I agree with you from the Christian understanding but it is not the same for Muslims (well 2 my Knowledge) for them its about the completion of the act.
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seraphime2008 said:
well…perhaps for Muhammad everything was permissible, things that are not permissible even for his followers, remember he’s the prophet!:eek:

It’s always double standard when it comes to the prophet!
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Thats far from what i offered, i value your (name removed by moderator)ut to discussion including it here but with out basis to what you quote me on you are just picking argument not discussion.
I remember my muslim friends here in Indonesia feel very guilty of going with their girlfriends without anybody accompany them, let alone kissing their girlfriends
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We could do with some restraint where i live where many people have no idea of good courtship. I could see this quote as good character.

The Muslims where i live there have been few that would have chaperones but they are of a much more biblical morals and respect for each other.

Peace be with you
 
Steven_John said:
Thats far from what i offered, i value your (name removed by moderator)ut to discussion including it here but with out basis to what you quote me on you are just picking argument not discussion.

We could do with some restraint where i live where many people have no idea of good courtship. I could see this quote as good character.

The Muslims where i live there have been few that would have chaperones but they are of a much more biblical morals and respect for each other.

Peace be with you
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Maybe it’s exageration on my part by saying everything, but anyway, it seems that he:
-married more than 4 wives
-married his stepson’s wife (later ex wife)
-this part of kissing…I remember my muslim friends here were told to refrain from lust during fast, how Muhammad didn’t do that?

it’s not exhaustive, but I just mentioned what I remembered.

What conclusion can I get besides that he was given all the “privilege”?
 
Bless you seraphime, you have just done it again.
Pray well and stay well
 
ok… let me make it clear about sexual while fasting in islam… firstly im sorry if my english is not well but try to understand what im trying to say…

it is clear stated that sex is prohibited while fasting and the fast will be null and muslims must pay redemption. this thing is a must for all muslim.

all must know what kind f sexual act that is prohibited… is hug your wife is prohibited?
actually sexual act is not prohibited while fasting… sexual act is a must for all married couples why should it been prohibited? the sexual act that been prohibited is sex it self or become climax with or without intension…

if muslim climax during fasting clearly his fast is null. if they having sex, the act will also make their fast null. not sexual activities, but sex it self… the man thing in women thing… when that happen only make the fast null. if the couples hug while sleeping naked it will not make the fasting null… couples can make what ever that make their love flourish, but certain parts only must be limited for only 12-13 hours. 😛

eating is prohibited but is watching at food is prohibited?

*actually swallowing your own spit is not prohibited. it is not drinking and not make your lost your thirst. 😉
 
AJTheMan said:
As an outside observer of this unending Muslim vs Christian debate that’s raging on here at the CAF forums, let me just say that the Bible has it’s fair share of sexual oddities as well.
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And then there’s the Biblical swearing of oaths while placing one’s hand upon another’s . . . “thigh.”

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This thread is nutty. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with kissing your wife during Ramadan, and unless kissing is considered perverted or something I can’t see why people are throwing a tantrum over it. It’s good to kiss your spouse, it shows love and affection not just ‘lust’.
 
jakasaki said:
Aren’t muslims to refrain from any sexual activity during ramadan?

At least that’s what I read.
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During the hours of daylight (as well as food, drink etc.) is my understanding (but don’t a lot of people engage in sexual activity–apart from kissing–after sunset anyway?)
 
:rotfl::rotfl: im sorry. but just reading throught this thread has been pretty funny! has anyone thought to ask the wife how she feels about this? maybe she likes to be kissed during the fast 😉 if i had a wife, i would kiss and hug her, reguardless weather i was fasting or not. thats assuming she was open to it… Peace 🙂
 
In Islam, everything and anything goes because other than the ceremonies (eg. ramadan, hajj etc), there is no fixed right or wrong.

Can a man tell lies? According to the quran, its a yes if you lie for allah.
Can a man kill another? According to the quran, its a yes if you slaughter for allah.

You see, anything can be justified in islam as long as you CLAIM, its for islam’s allah’s benefit. Of course, muhammad had priority over this as he alone can claim it is allah’s instruction. (Yes, even if he sleeps with his own son’s wife - eg zainab).

Without a standard, where then lies the morals? There’s none. Muslims claim there is, but whatever moral standards they may claim they adhere to are extremely vague and subject to twists & turns depending on the reasons for your ‘violation’.
 
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