Is this an alien or a horror movie monster? WHAT!? THIS is suppose to be Jesus!?

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I am having a problem discerning whether or not you are trying to be pretentious.

Either way thanks for not letting us down.

You are kidding…right?
Actually I am quite serious. Art is in the eye of the beholder, abstract art even more so. These were made by the artist who while has a clearly eclectic taste, shows how he/she interprets the Stations. This is their way of expressing it. It is unusual but not anything else.
 
So you think a church should have abstract art that one person thinks of as a picture of Jesus and many others see as a naked women?
Again, it is in the eye of the beholder. This is an eclectic, abstract art way of showing it. It is unusual but nothing else.
 
Again, it is in the eye of the beholder. This is an eclectic, abstract art way of showing it. It is unusual but nothing else.
So why would a Church put up stations that only a coniseur of ecletic abstract art could understand?
 
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Most Catholics in the thread are shocked and horrified. Good. That’s what they should be feeling every single time they see a crucifix. It’s a reminder: we killed God.
Shocked and horrified for all the wrong reasons , however, You could line the walls with pictures of aborted children if all you want to do is shock and horrify people.
 
Most Catholics in the thread are shocked and horrified. Good. That’s what they should be feeling every single time they see a crucifix. It’s a reminder: we killed God.
Yes, this is true… but is that what your average person ponders when they see a piece of religious artwork like this? Are they shocked and horrified because it reminds them of the crucifixion? I think that is the true test of at least this piece of religious/sacred art. Does it truly get the message across and does it horrify and shock in the way that it was intended… If not and they only associate it with ghosts, aliens or rotting corpses, etc, then the message has failed. It certainly caused a stir and got people talking as evidenced by this thread. Art from every era has done that, whether it was “good” or “bad” art, but has it gotten it’s point across?

I don’t know anything about the artist, so I will assume the best of him/her and believe that this is probably something that has come out of his gut and heart. Perhaps he truly believes it is grotesquely beautiful. I, myself, am touched by grotesquely beautiful artwork - maybe not always within abstract, but I do like heavy, meaningful and sometimes depressing art - whether in paint, music or dance.

There are evidently a couple people who have been moved by it, but from what I’ve read on this thread is that the “shock” and “horror” isn’t based on their feelings for how Christ suffered and died. It actually reminds me to a lesser extent of how people were disgusted with Serrano’s controversial and insulting “P–s Christ”. And although I don’t believe the artist of the Stations was trying to insult, I can see how people can view it that way, especially to those who do interpret it as rotting corpses: a rotting and decrepid Church that has no relation to the world today.

To me, although I find the Stations artwork interesting as in what the artist was thinking and feeling psychologically to create something like this, it is “horrifying” to me for all the wrong reasons when I view for my own reaction and not for any undestanding of the artist’s pychological makeup. It’s more like something out of my worst nightmares and the thing identified as our Lord as this horrible, unloving monster waiting to eat me or dehumanize me.
 
Originally posted by estesbob
So why would a Church put up stations that only a coniseur of ecletic abstract art could understand?
Because they’re French? :rotfl:

“I wish that my heart could beat, that I could live and breathe only for Jesus, I wish that my tongue could utter no other name than that of Jesus; that my eye could see only Jesus; that my pen could write only about Jesus, and that my thoughts could soar to nothing but Jesus. I have often wondered where on earth there might be something on which I could center my love. But neither on earth nor in heaven do I find any such thing but only my beloved Jesus… I am the fruit of your passion, Jesus, born of your wounds. O Jesus, seek me in love; I no longer possess anything; you have stolen my heart…” - St. Gemma Galgani
 
Because they’re French? :rotfl:

I don’t know… I wouldn’t say that as I think a lot of their collections of sacred and secular art and the sacred art in their churches are absolutely beautiful, breathtaking and easy to grasp for the “average” person, like me. 😉 The only exception was this church called St. Ignatius in Paris. Now that was pretty surreal and a bit revolting. It looked like someone tore up the inside of a beautiful, old church and replaced it with the interior of a church built in the 1970s over here in the States.
 
So why would a Church put up stations that only a coniseur of ecletic abstract art could understand?
Who says that only connoisseur of eclectic abstract art can understand what is presented? With enough study and meditation on these pieces most people should be able to understand it. I would expect if you visited the parish these hang there is some phamplet which expands on the spiritual meaning of the artwork presented.
 
Who says that only connoisseur of eclectic abstract art can understand what is presented? With enough study and meditation on these pieces most people should be able to understand it. I would expect if you visited the parish these hang there is some phamplet which expands on the spiritual meaning of the artwork presented.
I have never been in a Church where one needed a pamphlet to explain what the stations were supposed to be. Kinda defeats their purpose, doesnt it?
 
Such a disgusting display. I’m sure the artist and his admirers think it’s brilliant. Lucifer himself could hardly outdo this! Yet, ironically, they perfectly depict what our Lord had (and has) to suffer for our salvation. Deo gratias!
 
That was just about the most bizarre set of Stations I have ever seen. Did anyone notice that the artist has a Slavic last name? I hope he or she isn’t Polish. It’s enough to make JPII spin in his grave.

I think I’ll have to sleep with the lights on and grab a dachshund for protection.

Gemma, I know we’ve been sparring on another thread, but I have to agree with your ascertation of the Stations. May I also add that it really does look like a naked woman on the next to last station (don’t make me look again for clarification–once was more than enough and I think I’ve satisfied some form of temporal punishment by having to look at them).

I think Andy Warhol could have done a better job.:eek: :eek:
 
While taste may be a factor, I do not buy into this idea that it is everything. Essentially, what such an attitude boils down to is that there are no standards, there is no such thing as true quality, and anything, no matter what it is, that someone slaps the “art” label onto automatically becomes good art.

I’m not interested in entertaining such a thing. There is such a thing as good art. And these stations are not it. If you want good sacred art, then look at the works of Raphael or of Caravaggio, van Eyck or Bernini. Those were true masters. Their work endures and speaks with a clear voice because it is good art.

As far as pamphlets and such, I have spent enough time studying and enjoying art to understand it. My dislike for these stations has nothing to do with lack of ability to appreciate art and no amount of explanations are going to make them any better.
 
From Vatican II: Sacrosanctum Concilium
  1. Ordinaries, by the encouragement and favor they show to art which is truly sacred, should strive after noble beauty rather than mere sumptuous display. This principle is to apply also in the matter of sacred vestments and ornaments.
Let bishops carefully remove from the house of God and from other sacred places those works of artists which are repugnant to faith, morals, and Christian piety, and which offend true religious sense either by depraved forms or by lack of artistic worth, mediocrity and pretense.

And when churches are to be built, let great care be taken that they be suitable for the celebration of liturgical services and for the active participation of the faithful.

I don’t see how this qualifies for being suitable
 
Shocked and horrified for all the wrong reasons , however, You could line the walls with pictures of aborted children if all you want to do is shock and horrify people.
It doesn’t stop at a simple visceral reaction – that is, if the viewer isn’t immediately turned off totally by the style. And that, I’d argue, is a matter of both openness to new things and taste: I myself always found it difficult to meditate on the passion of the Christ looking at the saccharine, nigh-bloodless plastic things that pass for the Stations in some parishes.

These are raw and vicious, the stuff of nightmares – as they should be. How better to appreciate the divine sacrifice than by seeing not a doe-eyed, bobble-headed ‘Precious Moments’ vision of the passion but a monstrosity reflecting the monstrous things that were done on that day?
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Art from every era has done that, whether it was “good” or “bad” art, but has it gotten it’s point across?
It has done so for me, and I don’t even believe Jesus was God.
It actually reminds me to a lesser extent of how people were disgusted with Serrano’s controversial and insulting “P–s Christ”. And although I don’t believe the artist of the Stations was trying to insult, I can see how people can view it that way, especially to those who do interpret it as rotting corpses: a rotting and decrepid Church that has no relation to the world today.
The fact that these Stations are on the website of a Catholic diocese and seriously presented as an artistic vision of the Via Dolorosa should easily disabuse anyone of the notion that it’s, uh, taking the… well, I seem to recall I’ve gotten in trouble for that pun before, so let’s not go there again. Disabuse anyone of the notion that it is deliberately insulting or mocking, there. Check out Ms. Tarkowska’s statement on the page – I had to run it through babelfish to get any sense out of it, but she seems quite serious and respectful, whether or not she is herself Catholic.
To me, although I find the Stations artwork interesting as in what the artist was thinking and feeling psychologically to create something like this, it is “horrifying” to me for all the wrong reasons when I view for my own reaction and not for any undestanding of the artist’s pychological makeup. It’s more like something out of my worst nightmares and the thing identified as our Lord as this horrible, unloving monster waiting to eat me or dehumanize me.
Maybe I’m just more used to the art of the distorted and the monstrous, I guess. I love Schiele, Dali, Giger, Beskinski, and so on and on (and what comes out of the business end of my pencils often turns up clawed, deep-eyed, and mouthless) – sure, it isn’t for everyone. But that doesn’t make it ‘not art’ and it doesn’t make it disrespectful. There can be such a thing as a loving grotesquery – ask any parent whose child hasn’t quite grasped that teeth drawn like that are freaky.
 
When meditating on the 10th Station is this image better or is the one in the French Church?. Would you need a pamphlet to tell you what is going on is this image?
Now that is indeed the sort of image which should be at a Station of the Cross.

Here is another beautiful image, Caravaggio’s The Taking of Christ. It’s not from the Stations, but I wanted to give another example of beautiful sacred art.

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(BTW, I think that no pamphlet is required for this one either 😉 )
 
I will admit, however, that to a Goth these might be quite beautiful and I say that with no criticism at all.
They are quite beautiful. 13 is my favorite, but 14 is wonderful as well. I understand why so many of you think they are grotesque, but I see them as the abstract protrayel of death as it truely is, a swirl of blood and darkness wherein one’s person becomes undentifiable. This is God’s final hour, and the death of God is the fire and brimstone and blood and blackness. The artist doesn’t mock the crucifix, they feel it.
 
It doesn’t stop at a simple visceral reaction – that is, if the viewer isn’t immediately turned off totally by the style. And that, I’d argue, is a matter of both openness to new things and taste: I myself always found it difficult to meditate on the passion of the Christ looking at the saccharine, nigh-bloodless plastic things that pass for the Stations in some parishes.

These are raw and vicious, the stuff of nightmares – as they should be. How better to appreciate the divine sacrifice than by seeing not a doe-eyed, bobble-headed ‘Precious Moments’ vision of the passion but a monstrosity reflecting the monstrous things that were done on that day?

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Then perhaps we should do away with pictures altogehter and put up video screens showing continous loops of “The Texas Chain Saw Murders”.

BTW-you may not beleive in Jesus but he beleives in you.🙂
 
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