Is this what the Mormon church teaches?

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I was a very active LDS for 11 years. That is exactly what I was taught. Some of these doctrines are no longer taught by the LDS Church, but they were all taught in the early Mormon Church and most of them are still taught.

Dia Jen Feng, which of the teachings in the film do you think are incorrect?

Paul
 
Yes that is what the church teaches. Check out the website for more info.

Then who is Adam? He is Michael the archangel, appointed by God and Christ to be the mortal progenitor of the race. At this very moment, in the year 1980, he is still in his position as the archangel whose trumpet in the final days will herald the resurrection and who will be the captain of the Lord’s hosts in the final defeat of Lucifer.

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Kolob anyone?**

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Heavenly Mother and Heavenly Father?

A Sure Trumpet Sound: Quotations from President Lee

They are as eternal as the stars in heaven. We forget that we have a **Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother **who are even more concerned, probably, than our earthly father and mother, and that influences from beyond are constantly working to try to help us when we do all we can.

Gospel Library > Magazines > Ensign > February 1974

I Have a Question

But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother.

Gospel Library > Magazines > Ensign > June 1986

**All you have to do is go to the LDS website **

lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg

Type in the box that says “search”. Then you can read for yourself what the Mormons teach.
 
Joseph Smith had a vision.

Too bad he couldn’t remember what he said the first time.
Or the second time.
Or even the third time.

In fact there is at least four different accounts on this one vision.

The oldest account, written in 1832, was part of an autobiography. Joseph stated that the Lord said to him, “Joseph my son thy sins are forgiven thee.” Some people have claimed that this account contradicts other accounts because it does not explicitly mention two personages.

Another account comes from a conversation Joseph Smith had in November **1835 **with a visitor to Kirtland, Ohio. A brief summary of this conversation, including a description of the First Vision, was recorded in Joseph Smith’s diary by Warren Cowdery, one of Joseph’s scribes. One detail unique to the 1835 account is Joseph Smith’s statement that in addition to two personages, he saw many angels. When telling the story of the First Vision, some early Church leaders occasionally said that an angel told Joseph Smith not to join any of the churches. However, in their sermons, these same leaders often used Lord, Christ, personage, messenger, and angel **interchangeably. **

The 1838 version is found in the Pearl of Great Price The Prophet intended this account to be the primary one for the Church, and it contains a detailed description of the historical setting. The emphasis of his description is different from the 1832 account.

The **fourth account **by the Prophet was included in a letter **he wrote in 1842 **to John Wentworth, editor of the Chicago Democrat. In this account, Joseph Smith included a statement implied in the other accounts but not specifically stated—that he was told that the fulness of the gospel would be made known unto him in the future.

type in “First vision” in the search box
lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg
 
Dia_Jen_Feng said:
No they do not believe that.
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sorry, but they do. some of the teachings have changed (especially a lot of the stuff about black people) but these are the original teachings and many still believe this. i have personal experience with folks who were pressured to divorce, i have heard mormons say these things and former mormons say that they believed this stuff. yes, they do believe this, although there would be many new converts that wouldn’t know all the details at the beginning.
 
Janet_S said:
There was an ex-LDS Catholic priest, Fr. Erik Richtsteig, on “The Journey Home” on October 15. You can listen to his story here:
ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=-6892289&T1=journey+home
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he says himself though that he was a “social mormon” meaning he wasn’t extremely involved with the faith. most of his knowledge (as well as mine) has come from study of the mormon faith from the outside and knowing lots of mormons and ex-mormons.
 
Regarding Racial equality in the Mormon church: no people of color could be priesthood holders until 1978 (more info here, with stunning quotes from Mormon leaders). They were considered the representatives of Satan.

This is the reason why Catholics do not recognize Mormon baptism: their idea of the nature of God as once having been a person is much different than the Catholic concept of God:
Aside from some temporary detours (Orson Pratt said the Holy Ghost was a spiritual fluid that filled the universe; Brigham Young taught that Adam is the god of this world), the Mormon church has constantly taught that God the Father is a perfected man with a physical body and parts. Right-living Mormon men may also progress, as did the Father, and eventually become gods themselves. In fact, fifth president, Lorenzo Snow, summed up the Mormon teaching thus: “As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be.” Snow frequently claimed this summary of the Mormon doctrine on God and man was revealed to him by inspiration. (See Stephen E. Robinson, Are Mormons Christian?, 60, note 1.) (From here:
catholic.com/library/mormon_stumpers.asp)
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Regarding that we all are gods:
The top heaven is reserved for devout Mormons, who go on to become gods and rulers of their own universes. By having their wives and children “sealed” to them during an earthly, temple ceremony, these men-gods will procreate billions of spirits and place them into future, physical bodies. These future children will then worship their father-gods, obeying Mormon commandments, and eventually take their place in the eternal progression to their own godhood. (From here: catholic.com/library/distinctive_beliefs_of_mormon.asp)
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The CAL Library has a wealth of more information.
catholic.com/library/gods_of_the_mormon_church.asp
 
PaulDupre said:
I was a very active LDS for 11 years. That is exactly what I was taught. Some of these doctrines are no longer taught by the LDS Church, but they were all taught in the early Mormon Church and most of them are still taught.

Dia Jen Feng, which of the teachings in the film do you think are incorrect?

Paul
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So Dia Jen Feng is wrong then? I see. I just wanted to make sure.
 
The_Confused_1 said:
So Dia Jen Feng is wrong then? I see. I just wanted to make sure.
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It is SOP for Mormons to deny these doctrines to outsiders. The Mormon tactic is to pretend to believe the same doctrines that Christians believe so you will listen to their missionaries and read the Book of Mormon, which does not contain any of these weird beliefs. Only later will they tell you their distinctly Mormon beliefs, like that God was not always God.

Paul
 
PaulDupre said:
It is SOP for Mormons to deny these doctrines to outsiders. The Mormon tactic is to pretend to believe the same doctrines that Christians believe so you will listen to their missionaries and read the Book of Mormon, which does not contain any of these weird beliefs. Only later will they tell you their distinctly Mormon beliefs, like that God was not always God.

Paul
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I don’t know a lot of “Internet Lingo.” what is SOP?
 
The_Confused_1 said:
So Dia Jen Feng is wrong then? I see. I just wanted to make sure.
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I wouldn’t necessarily say that Dia Jen Feng is wrong, but perhaps has a fuller understanding of LDS theology that I would very much like to hear.
 
PaulDupre said:
It is SOP for Mormons to deny these doctrines to outsiders.
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In your experience, will they lie in denying the doctrines or just put a clever spin on things? I never talk theology with Mormon friends and I can’t recall missionaries lying, although they sometimes have no answers to doctrinal questions.
 
Good_Daughter said:
In your experience, will they lie in denying the doctrines or just put a clever spin on things? I never talk theology with Mormon friends and I can’t recall missionaries lying, although they sometimes have no answers to doctrinal questions.
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The only people who lie about Mormonism are Mormon apostates and anti-Mormons.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
The only people who lie about Mormonism are Mormon apostates and anti-Mormons.

zerinus
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Lying for the Lord refers to the practice of lying to protect the image of and belief in the Mormon religion, a practice which Mormonism itself fosters in various ways. From Joseph Smith’s denial of having more than one wife, to polygamous Mormon missionaries telling European investigators that reports about polygamy in Utah were lies put out by “anti-Mormons” and disgruntled ex-members, to Gordon B. Hinckley’s dishonest equivocation on national television over Mormon doctrine,
mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord

Joseph Smith behaved in classic philosopher king fashion, and that the Mormon “faithful history” policy discloses a group of modern philosopher kings who feel justified in telling pious lies. “Faithful history” is a form of Mormon censorship. It suppresses all information that does not encourage Mormons to be more obedient to current Mormon leaders. Hence, facts that strongly suggest Smith and other Mormon leaders are not trustworthy are airbrushed out of Mormon consciousness.mccue.cc/bob/spirituality.htm

Former Mormon bishop explains the collapse of his faith
McCue said, “I read Mormon history as the professional historians write it, and realized that my religious leaders had misled me as to how Mormonism started, and [recognized]&a pattern of Mormon leadership deception [that] goes back to Mormonism’s beginnings with Joseph Smith.”

“The suppressed aspects of Mormon history that most troubled me indicated many instances in which Mormon leaders have deceived both their followers and the public about important matters. Joseph Smith was the worst in this regard. His tendency to exaggerate or lie when in a tight spot bears a striking resemblance to the practices of shady stock promoters I have on occasion met relative to my legal practice,” the attorney stated.
“Mormon leaders at the local level are sincere and generally unaware of the issues I had raised,” said McCue. And he says that though he is critical of LDS leaders he knows they can be “genuinely loving.” “They believe God’s will requires that they mislead their followers,” he explained.
rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon164.html

The Mormon Purge
Documenting the plague of Excommunications in the early 1990’s of hundreds of conservative Mormons. Reasons, ramifications, reflections. by Sterling D. Allan
greaterthings.com/Books/MormonPurge/index.html

I found the Mormon temple not at all like I had been taught to believe it would be. The temple ceremony was one of the main reasons I left the Mormon church. I soon realized the Mormon church was not the church I had been told it was or I thought it was. It certainly was not the church of God as I had been told. Many who came to the temple never wanted to come back. It was a very depressing experience for me and my wife and very sickening, especially if one believes that it was designed by God. I was ashamed of having served there, after I found out the truth. I realized I could no longer serve a God who was so changable, violent and deceptive.
home.teleport.com/~packham/temples3.htm
 
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