Is tradition holding mainstream religions back?

[De_Maria]

Here you go. The straw man you are attempting to erect by trying to put words in my mouth that I have not said or remotely hinted at…

You did accuse me of using the quote out of context, but then, you gave what you see as the context. So, let’s examine your words.

And to whom was Isaiah speaking the word that God came to him? …

Why does this matter? Is God’s Word meaningful only when speaking to OT Kings? Was it therefore void when Jesus Christ, God, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, spoke to the Church? Or what point are you making? You certainly don’t affirm that God’s Word is never void.

We could certainly argue that on points of doctrine, couldn’t we?

You can try. But I’ll simply bring you back to Scripture and show that your doctrines contradict the Word of God. Whenever you’re ready, we can proceed.

 

[edwest211]

The Church is not immune to correction? Like what? The Church had questions put to it from the beginning. Whatever was unclear was clarified.

 

[Hodos]

The Church is not immune to correction? Like what? The Church had questions put to it from the beginning. Whatever was unclear was clarified.

I agree with your statement, that the doctrine of the Church has always been in place, although I find this interesting when the Church is still declaring de fide dogmas in 1950. If the Church does not require correction, then there is no need to articulate dogmas is there? The Church always requires correction, that is what the scriptures were provided for (2 Timothy 3).

 

[edwest211]

2 Timothy 3? Nothing relevant there. People needed correction, not the Church.

 

[Hodos]

2 Timothy 3? Nothing relevant there. People needed correction, not the Church.

The people are the Church, so I consider this a distinction without meaning for the purpose of evading the point.

“Where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them.”

 

[edwest211]

It’s in the Bible. People asking questions once the Church was established.

 

[Hodos]

As is the Church constantly being instructed and corrected by God’s word throughout all time. Also, the Church, ekklesia, was not established only with Christ. It was established at creation. We aren’t dispensationalists. The Gentiles were grafted in to the existing tree. Christ didn’t rip it out at the roots and plant a new tree. Feel free to do a word search for derivatives of ekklesia in the Septuagint if you like.

 

[Kaninchen]

Otherwise, the practitioner would not know how or what to practice.

Torah! Torah! Torah!

Your view of Orthodoxy/Orthopraxy may be true within your Christian context but you need to sit back and think about whether other religions ‘work’ in the same way.

 

[De_Maria]

How does one know what to do without someone else telling them how it’s done?
If you know of a religion that works without the passing on of a teaching in some way, please reveal it.

 

[Kaninchen]

How does one know what to do without someone else telling them how it’s done?

Ah but that’s orthopraxy not orthodoxy. Orthopraxy is about ethics/behaviour/practice, Orthodoxy is about correct belief - we Jews might row forever about how to kosher a lettuce but coming up with something like talking about the Filioque, err, no.

 

[De_Maria]

Ah but that’s orthopraxy not orthodoxy. Orthopraxy is about ethics/behaviour/practice, Orthodoxy is about correct belief - we Jews might row forever about how to kosher a lettuce but coming up with something like talking about the Filioque, err, no.

If you know of a religion that works without the passing on of a teaching in some way, please reveal it.

 

[Kaninchen]

If you know of a religion that works without the passing on of a teaching in some way, please reveal it.

It’s quite obvious that conversation between us is entirely pointless.

It won’t happen again.