IS Trains 400 Fighters to Attack Europe in Wave of Bloodshed

[mikekle]

I believe the governments in Europe are trying very hard not to demonize just being a Muslim, and its coming across as inaction. The middle ages concept of 'kill ‘em all…let God sort them out’ just won’t work in our world. IS will be a long, slow fight, but hopefully we in the west will be able to hold our heads up high after ISIS inevitable defeat.

I may be mistaken, but it wasn’t that long ago ISIS was claiming 4000 fighters ready to go!

Saying their defeat is inevitable is not accurate imo, we have no idea how many fighters they have, I would not trust the figure they state though, its probably much higher, no military group would publicly announce how strong they are in numbers, they would want to keep the true number a secret, as to catch the enemy off guard.

I dont think any nation will ever get a handle on ANY radical islamic terror groups, we are not fighting a ‘normal’ enemy, like in past wars, they are not fighting only because their leaders tell them to fight, they truly believe in killing the infidel at any cost, their lives do not matter much to them either, and they will instill this in their offspring, so there will always be a terror group ready and planning to attack.

There will never be a ‘V day’ or peace treaty like past wars either, they will not be content until the west and any allies are destroyed. They take their beliefs so seriously they are willing to fight and die for them…that is an enemy that cannot be defeated.

 

[MugenOne]

The West is too chicken to fight and the Muslims know that. There are Muslims in the Asia’s Far East (Singapore, Vietnam, China, Japan, etc.), but none dares to terrorize their kaffir neighbors because they all know the consequences of such action.

Muslims want to be ruled by an Oriental Potentate. Our western democracy seems silly to them.

I dont think any nation will ever get a handle on ANY radical islamic terror groups, we are not fighting a ‘normal’ enemy, like in past wars, they are not fighting only because their leaders tell them to fight, they truly believe in killing the infidel at any cost, their lives do not matter much to them either, and they will instill this in their offspring, so there will always be a terror group ready and planning to attack.

 

[mikekle]

The West is too chicken to fight and the Muslims know that. There are Muslims in the Asia’s Far East (Singapore, Vietnam, China, Japan, etc.), but none dares to terrorize their kaffir neighbors because they all know the consequences of such action.

Muslims want to be ruled by an Oriental Potentate. Our western democracy seems silly to them.

Yes and they also know most people in the US are not willing to stand up and fight for what they believe in too, they realize many US citizens are far more concerned with their quality of life.

Ive always found it silly our Govt tells us not to be intimidated by the terrorists, they tell us to not let it effect our normal lives, but they go and do the opposite thing, in the creation of tough new regulations and laws to try and prevent attacks.

One good example was the Boston marathon, everyone said they were not going to let it change them, but the very next marathon, it looked completely different, there were MUCH more police, even military presence!! Seems like we are letting them have a HUGE impact on our lives.

 

[Trident_H]

And how do you propose to make people who are willing to blow themselves, their loved ones, and your loved ones up themselves fearful? I mean you talk about utterly destroying where they live and devastating the host country… have you seen what has happened to Syria? And yes it’s weakened their organization in Syria, but it hasn’t snuffed them out and it’s actually emboldened their more remote cells. We’re not dealing with something as rational as a nation state like Nazi Germany (as hateful and irrational as they were), we’re dealing with people who are members of a massive doomsday cult who want the world to end.

I don’t propose anything. I’m not a war-like guy. I’m just pointing out that if we’d gone to war against Germany wearing these kid gloves we’d have done no real damage.

But Syria’s only part of ISIS’ playground. They’ve got other towns and even cities. If every city they ever captured got fire-bombed into oblivion it would make them doubly feared. It’d also make it pointless for them to try to hang onto any territory because it’d have no value. And there’d be no civilian population to pay them taxes and do services.

But it would be a massacre. And a political and real nightmare. And people would weep for the blood on their hands. And everyone would call for the head of the guy who carried it out. And we’d have finally dropped down to the level of the guys blowing up our friends and relatives in Europe.

So I’m not proposing anything.

Just pointing out the obvious.

War is won by the most ruthless guy. Not the most gentlemanly.

Which is a damn shame.

Peace Padre.

-Trident

 

[Darryl1958]

The argument that it is better to engage the enemy with Iraq and the ME as the theatre was lost.

Europe is the battleground now.

 

[GraceSofia]

If we would have fought the Nazi’s this way we would have lost WW2 miserably. It’s not like every German, or even every Nazi part member, was a Jew-killer. Plenty of them just wanted to live life and get along. I guess that means we shouldn’t have identified Nazism as the problem or ever gone to war with Germany as a country.

Just imagine if it had been forbidden to identify Nazism or fascism as evil. Hmmm… we’d all be speaking German.

 

[Padres1969]

Just imagine if it had been forbidden to identify Nazism or fascism as evil. Hmmm… we’d all be speaking German.

True. But no one is preventing us from identify Radical Salafist Islam as evil either so I’m not quite sure what your point is?

 

[Darryl1958]

True. But no one is preventing us from identify Radical Salafist Islam as evil either so I’m not quite sure what your point is?

The ‘Islamophobia’ label is preventing that.
Maybe we have moved a little past describing these events as ‘workplace violence’, or ‘overseas contingencies’, but anyone who is not aware of how prevalent that attitude has been has simply not been paying attention.

That was clearly the point that was being made.

 

[GraceSofia]

Yes. Thank you, Darryl.

 

[Padres1969]

The ‘Islamophobia’ label is preventing that.
Maybe we have moved a little past describing these events as ‘workplace violence’, or ‘overseas contingencies’, but anyone who is not aware of how prevalent that attitude has been has simply not been paying attention.

That was clearly the point that was being made.

I think you’re confusing the rising Islamophobia issue with identifying the cause issue. The people crying Islamophobia aren’t opposed to identifying the true culprits of this, Radical Salafist Muslims, rather they’re opposed to the simpleminded approach far too many are using of simply blaming all Muslims. Islam is not to blame for this, Muslims are not to blame for this, rather a very specialized and radicalized sect of their religion is to blame. Blaming all Muslims for the acts of a fringe group like Al Qaeda, or an even more fringe doomsday cult like Daesh, is like blaming all Christians for the actions of the Branch Davidians or Jim Jones.

 

[Darryl1958]

I am not confusing anything.

That is why GracieW thanked me. I told you exactly what their exchange was about.

 

[Padres1969]

I am not confusing anything.

That is why GracieW thanked me. I told you exactly what their exchange was about.

We’ll have to disagree then. Because I seem plenty of people in official capacities blaming the true culprits, Radical Muslims. And I don’t see anyone being prevented from doing so.

 

[Darryl1958]

We’ll have to disagree then. Because I seem plenty of people in official capacities blaming the true culprits, Radical Muslims. And I don’t see anyone being prevented from doing so.

Your question was asked and answered, and confirmed as being the correct answer by the original poster
I am not the one who is confused, Agree or disagree with whether Islamophobia is pertinent, that was what was meant by the discussion you were asking about.

 

[Darryl1958]

This is how Islamophobia shuts down speech.
Invariably, the case is made that not ALL Muslims are terrorists, and that Islamists are bad, but then the leftist and the Islamists start the fury against anyone who dares speak about solutions, even if there is acknowledgement that of course, not ALL Muslims, nor even MOST Muslims are terrorists.

Agree to disagree that I am being confused as much as y’all want.
It is the same disingenuous argument that is being thrust upon us all either way.

Cruz found himself in the middle of this demagogic storm this week. Reacting to the latest jihadist atrocity in Brussels, in which 31 were killed and 230 wounded, Senator Cruz argued that to protect our national security against radical Islamic terror networks, it is imperative for law enforcement to conduct surveillance in Muslim communities. …
Cruz was not calling for a dragnet targeting all Muslims. In his presidential campaign (to which I am an adviser), he has stressed the importance of identifying the enemy as radical Islam. That is not campaign rhetoric; it is how we figure out who warrants surveillance — and far from being anything new, it is how counterterrorism was done before President Obama came to power. Yet, as night follows day, the Islamist-leftist alliance pounced with the fury of an emperor whose lack of clothes has just been noticed. It is simply, undeniably, a fact that some Muslim mosques and surrounding communities are hotbeds of Islamic supremacism, a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam that holds that Muslims must struggle against non-believers — by force and by all other means –- until Allah’s law (sharia) is established throughout the world. Islamic supremacism is not the only way of construing Islam, and millions of Muslims reject it. This, however, does not undo the remorseless fact that millions of Muslims accept it, that it is a mainstream construction of Islam (it is, for example, the Islam of the Muslim Brotherhood), and that it has a considerable following in the West

Read more at: nationalreview.com/article/433258/ted-cruz-muslim-surveillance

 

[SuperLuigi]

**Unjustified “Obama hunting” while forgetting that it was former President Bush’s rash actions that created a power vacuum in Iraq which in turn enabled the formation of ISIS.
We should remain aware of the purpose of ISIS attacks in Europe which is to goad the West into confronting ISIS with ground forces.
ISIS does not name its newspaper “DABIQ” for nothing. In Islamic prophecy a battle between a western Christian army and an Islamic State army occurring at Dabiq marks the beginning of the End Times.

A battle that fulfills this prophecy might compel Islamic nations to come to the aid of ISIS. Think about Pakistan with its inventory of nuclear weapons.
That is why our leaders find it necessary to use restraint and find a middle eastern Islamic force to fight against ISIS.

Some of our current presidential candidates seem blissfully unaware of these circumstances and speak of “turning the desert into glass.” Do you support this idea?**

Actually, it was President Obama’s withdrawal that created the vacuum and President Bush warned something like this would happen if they left like that back in 2007.

 

[SuperLuigi]

This is how Islamophobia shuts down speech.
Invariably, the case is made that not ALL Muslims are terrorists, and that Islamists are bad, but then the leftist and the Islamists start the fury against anyone who dares speak about solutions, even if there is acknowledgement that of course, not ALL Muslims, nor even MOST Muslims are terrorists.

Agree to disagree that I am being confused as much as y’all want.
It is the same disingenuous argument that is being thrust upon us all either way.

Read more at: nationalreview.com/article/433258/ted-cruz-muslim-surveillance

It’s also ironic because sharia law is diametrically opposed to secular progressive values.

But yet we are constantly assured that secular progressive values will win the day just because.

 

[graciew]

I am not confusing anything.

That is why GracieW thanked me. I told you exactly what their exchange was about.

GraceSofia.
Do not worry…I mess up the names of my sons when I call them…age in my case!

 

[Darryl1958]

GraceSofia.
Do not worry…I mess up the names of my sons when I call them…age in my case!

What?!!! There is more than one Gracie on this forum?!!!

I better let my other brothers Darryl know before they make the same mistake.

(young people will miss that reference completely-I take it that wouldn’t be a problem for you though)

 

[Exiled_Child]

slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/26/belgian_nuclear_plant_guard_murdered_security_badge_stolen.html

 

[graciew]

What?!!! There is more than one Gracie on this forum?!!!

I better let my other brothers Darryl know before they make the same mistake.

(young people will miss that reference completely-I take it that wouldn’t be a problem for you though)