Is Transgenderism a Mental Disease?

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There is a difference between calling someone a sinner (ie, culpable for their sin), and calling them mentally ill.
 
One of the points made in the article @JimG posted is that when a person shows up with symptoms of transgenderism and symptoms of other mental issues, such as depression or PTSD, the TG is treated as a sign the person is the opposite gender, and not as a sign that the TG symptoms may be a coping mechanism used by the patient to deal with the other issues.

The article also pointed out that the anti–reparative therapy stance or law means that the TG is treated first, without the idea that perhaps if the other issues are treated, the TG may resolve itself.

Thus it may be true that trying to focus on homosexuality by shaming or even physically abusing the patient is not effective, but this does not mean that nothing is ever effective.
 
Annie said:
The article also pointed out that the anti–reparative therapy stance or law means that the TG is treated first, without the idea that perhaps if the other issues are treated, the TG may resolve itself.

Thus it may be true that trying to focus on homosexuality by shaming or even physically abusing the patient is not effective, but this does not mean that nothing is ever effective.
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Sexual orientation (homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality) and gender identity (transgender) are two different things.
 
My point is that there are very similar ways of considering them in the treatment realm.
 
buffalo said:

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‘Trans Life Survivors’ is a godsend for people struggling with trans regret, no matter what stage of transition or de-transition they are in.
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According to a report from the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS), they performed 3,250 transgender related operations in 2016. That’s only one year. So 30 “transgender regretters” would be equal to 1% of one year of surgeries. That’s not very many.
 
Dominique181 said:
Jim a universal proposition (eg if I am born with a perfect vag then I must be a female) is not made true simply on the basis that anything else is too uncertain and impractical for Governments, Churches or other socialising/organising institutions to efficiently cope with…

Universal principles of reasoning not determined by a pragmatic need for “certainty”.

That sounds more like a definition of positive human laws - some of which don’t age well with time … like transferring abusing priests to another parish or diocese or electric shock therapy to cure the mental disease of homosexual attraction.

An excessive desire for “certainty” in the light of new discoveries and awarenesses over time can be a defense mechanism to preserve the old ways … as Cardinal Burke is likely exemplifying.

I personally don’t think that is the way forward for our Church anymore.
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It’s clear that you strongly believe that somebody that can be described as genetically female ought to be treated as female despite having the form of a man (genitals and all). I don’t think society knows enough to understand exactly what that means. It could be that what we ordinarily identify as male doesn’t apply in this case, but that doesn’t automatically mean that your position is correct.
 
I’m not sure how much of it is mental, and how much of it is spiritual, i.e. demonic oppression. Maybe some degree of both.
 
Dominique181 said:
Can you quote me where I stated that?
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It’s implied here…
Dominique181 said:
Jim a universal proposition (eg if I am born with a perfect vag then I must be a female) is not made true simply on the basis that anything else is too uncertain and impractical for Governments, Churches or other socialising/organising institutions to efficiently cope with…
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…The implication being that having a female body (Vag and everything that goes with it) from birth is not evidence of somebody actually being female.
 
Dominique181 said:
Please reread my posts,.
What I dont believe in is a simplistic black and white approach to the issue of gender dysphoria (and likewise my posts 🙂) when even the scientists dont have a handle on this yet.
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My apoligees for misunderstanding your position. Please observe my embarrassment as a reparation.

Have you considered the possibility that some things, while it may be true, are beyond the reasonable power of lawmakers to protect.

There could be a person with a problem that cannot be helped. Lets call this person Patient X.

While Patient X is a female inside, it doesn’t follow that patient X should use female utilities because unfortunately (and i am sorry to say this) Patient X has a penis and the body of a male, and no-matter how understanding the medical community is and how understanding the most intelligent of society is, the idea of a male walking into a female only restroom/toilet makes women feel uncomfortable and exposed. This fact doesn’t change just because Patient X happens to be a female inside. It’s unreasonable to expect people to feel differently.

It’s not the same thing as discrimination. There is a legitimate concern for security in this situation.

The best society could do in this case is create a separate utility for people with that problem.

Who knows, in the future we might have genderless toilets and washrooms for those who don’t mind either way.
 
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Dominique181 said:
All good.
I am not really debating “what to do about it”.
I am simply “outing” unreflected principles that some members seem to be operating from that don’t really seem to aid their cause.
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The problem is we don’t know if these people really exist.
 
I don’t like the term mental disease what so ever. I do believe it could be a mental defect, or a chemical problem , or something from a trauma perhaps. I just know that these people must still be shown kindness and love, since God determines their fate , not fellow humans. :)😊
 
Dominique181 said:
I gather that you would only allow a genetic female into female toilets with tackle left outside 😉
hopefully via a sex restoring operation.
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Yes someone born a male should only be allowed into male toilets. Same for females.
 
Dominique181 said:
You may not understand that the issue hinges significantly on your unreflected use of of the phrase “born male”.

How should the medical world consistently identify the sex of a person as “male” or “female”.
You seem to believe external morphology alone is sufficient?
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If born biologically a male then he is a male for life. It is totally irrelevant how that person feels, what he thinks, what he does, how he dresses, what hormones he takes, what surgery he has. He remains a male.
 
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Dominique181:
I gather that you would only allow a genetic female into female toilets with tackle left outside 😉
hopefully via a sex restoring operation.
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Yes someone born a male should only be allowed into male toilets. Same for females.
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What if someone was born female but has had surgery to make themselves look male (including genitalia)? They’re supposed to use the women’s restroom? I would think that would make other women uncomfortable.

For example, the person in the picture below was born female. You want this person to use the women’s restroom?
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And if so, wouldn’t that give some perverted men (born men) an excuse to go into women’s locker rooms and claim they were born female?
 
Atreju said:
What if someone was born female but has had surgery to make themselves look male (including genitalia)? They’re supposed to use the women’s restroom? I would think that would make other women uncomfortable.
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Too bad. They would have brought this on themselves.

I suppose they could sneak in and use a stall and not speak to anyone! They are the ones with the disorder so they should not do things to make other people feel uncomfortable.
 
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So to clarify, you think a person with Male genitalia, who thinks they are a man and looks and behaves like a man and is sexually attracted to women should use women’s locker rooms and bathrooms if they were born female? And your response to women who are uncomfortable with this arrangement is “screw them, they brought this on themselves?”
 
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So to clarify, you think a person with Male genitalia, who thinks they are a man and looks and behaves like a man and is sexually attracted to women should use women’s locker rooms and bathrooms if they were born female? And your response to women who are uncomfortable with this arrangement is “screw them, they brought this on themselves?”
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You misunderstood my post. My comment about “they brought this on themselves” is directed to the transgender and not to the normal people who have to put up with this intrusion, e.g. in bathrooms. The transgender no doubt could get away with it if they went in straight to a stall, closed the door, when finished wash their hands without talking to anyone there and leave quickly.
 
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