Is Trump the Cyrus in Isaiah 45?Did God raise him for a time like this?

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These following articles were written long before the election results were announced.They had predicted Trump would win so much accuracy.

I found them really good food for thought.Trump is maybe not the ugly ogre the media makes him to be.

Afterall didn’t God use flawed instruments like Moses ,David,Peter and Saul for His greater glory?
St Augustine was the ultimate sinner too before he converted.Maybe God is gripping this man’s heart for a mighty work?

Read with prayers and an open heart and share your thoughts.

charismamag.com/blogs/the…s-in-isaiah-45

charismamag.com/blogs/the…r-donald-trump

charismanews.com/politics…election-looms

charismamag.com/blogs/the…isma-interview

charismanews.com/politics…sied-president
 
 
It appears that maybe Mr. Trump is the Man for Our Time. We shall see…
 
God can use anyone. He could have equally used Clinton for his glory.

Christians are in for a rude awakening come January. Trump is not our ally.

But you know what? I actually think this person is right. Not for the reasons he gave though. God did allow Trump to become president for a reason. So that when he turns out to not be a secular messiah who will rewind the clock and make Christian morality the norm again, we will finally stop compromising our faith for the “lesser evil” and start living the Gospel in the radical way Jesus calls us to.

Maybe Trump is what we needed to wake us up and make us stop putting our hope in politicians.
 
Robyn_p said:
God can use anyone. He could have equally used Clinton for his glory.

Christians are in for a rude awakening come January. Trump is not our ally.

But you know what? I actually think this person is right. Not for the reasons he gave though. God did allow Trump to become president for a reason. So that when he turns out to not be a secular messiah who will rewind the clock and make Christian morality the norm again, we will finally stop compromising our faith for the “lesser evil” and start living the Gospel in the radical way Jesus calls us to.

Maybe Trump is what we needed to wake us up and make us stop putting our hope in politicians.
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Well, I wouldn’t have put it quite so starkly, but in a general way I concur. The disorder in our society and in our political system reflects the disorder in the hearts of its citizens. The best way to fix it is to spread the Gospel, spread the truth, evangelize, convert. Drain the swamp, as Trump has often said, except the swamp is not just in Washington D.C. It’s all over.

There’s plenty for us to do. Let’s roll.
 
Beryllos said:
Well, I wouldn’t have put it quite so starkly, but in a general way I concur. The disorder in our society and in our political system reflects the disorder in the hearts of its citizens. The best way to fix it is to spread the Gospel, spread the truth, evangelize, convert. Drain the swamp, as Trump has often said, except the swamp is not just in Washington D.C. It’s all over.

There’s plenty for us to do. Let’s roll.
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I have been in a rather blunt mood as of late. I’m not going to pretend to be optimistic about the future.

But yep, now more than ever we can’t get complacent. Time to get to work, and keep defending the poor and vulnerable.
 
Robyn_p said:
Maybe Trump is what we needed to wake us up and make us stop putting our hope in politicians.
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I voted for Trump, as did my wife. I’m under no impression that he’s a political messiah. My trust is not in him as such. In fact, I re-watched a GOP debate last night, and was again struck by how much of a jerk he was to folks like Jeb and Rubio.

However, neither I nor my wife are fools. We realize that Trump was one of two possible presidential outcomes. We furthermore realized that, with Trump, core issues and non-negotiables had by far the greatest chance of being realized. Among these include pro-life Supreme Court Justices and a general relaxation of the soft persecution that Christians have been experiencing. Under Trump, there is by far a greater chance that organizations like EWTN won’t be sued to death because they refuse to provide contraception and abortion to their workers. And make no mistake, the fees that EWTN would have had to pay would have destroyed it without supernatural intervention.

But maybe we were wrong, and maybe we really are fools, and maybe Trump will be even worse on those core issues than Clinton would have been.

But somehow, I doubt it. That doubt is not the same as suddenly putting my trust in a man over Jesus Christ. Frankly, I resent that caricature. And some people tried to sit back and give the election to a candidate that would have done immense damage to non-negotiable issues, pushing this country ever more towards an atheistic, secularist, socialistic society wherein persecution of Christianity would become ever more pronounced. I even suspect they had this intention simply out of a dislike for both candidates, or out of some naive belief that their silence somehow will get everyone’s attention and magically create a third party utterly in line with Catholic social teaching.

Maybe you and your family are ready to be persecuted without a fight. Maybe you’re willing to sell out the Church to someone who has been on record saying that religion needs to get with times on issues like homosexuality and abortion. Mine are not. And neither do we think abortion is less grave than is homelessness.
 
God did not suspend the free will of voters so Trump would be elected.

I didn’t vote for Trump or Hillary.

I couldn’t go against my conscience.

However, now that Trump is going to be the president, I hope he does well.

I’m sure he won’t be as bad of a president as he was a candidate.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
God did not suspend the free will of voters so Trump would be elected.

I didn’t vote for Trump or Hillary.

I couldn’t go against my conscience.

However, now that Trump is going to be the president, I hope he does well.

I’m sure he won’t be as bad of a president as he was a candidate.

Jim
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Pretty much where I’m at too. I didn’t vote for either. I went with a different candidate knowing who I voted for would not win. Now that we know Mr. Trump will be president he has my prayers and respect just as every president before and after have had/will have. There’s no reason to despair or be so dramatic as so many people are doing. This is the electoral process in our nation. The process many people have given so much to secure for us. In four years we can keep him or can him. Pray for him, just as we would do for any other president. Pray for our country. Work towards establishing Christian values once again.
 
I have no regret in being relieved that Clinton will not be president.

4 more years of obama? gay/transgender/abortion agendas that promote heinous sins? No thanks.

I’d rather deal with a lamp caught on fire than a house ablaze.
 
RoseQueen said:
Afterall didn’t God use flawed instruments like Moses ,David,Peter and Saul for His greater glory?
St Augustine was the ultimate sinner too before he converted.Maybe God is gripping this man’s heart for a mighty work?
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I think the above might be arguments for Hillary.

And that we missed the mark as citizens by electing someone God didn’t intend.

The flawed instrument He wanted was Hillary, and not Trump, yeah?
 
Robyn_p said:
Maybe Trump is what we needed to wake us up and make us stop putting our hope in politicians.
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But the fact is, there were two viable choices. Voting for the one I think is going to bring this country closer to better times and some semblance of morality again isn’t putting my faith in politicians or certainly not the exclusion of God and trying to live my faith, as your post seems to imply.

I think many people who voted for him are well aware he’s not perfect and not what most Christians’ first choice would have been. Hence the point of this thread: might it be that he is a very flawed man whom God intended, nonetheless, to use for these times?

I personally think so. From what I’ve seen and read, I believe he’s done some growing and changing over the course of the election.
 
holyrood said:
But the fact is, there were two viable choices. Voting for the one I think is going to bring this country closer to better times and some semblance of morality again isn’t putting my faith in politicians or certainly not the exclusion of God and trying to live my faith, as your post seems to imply.

I think many people who voted for him are well aware he’s not perfect and not what most Christians’ first choice would have been. Hence the point of this thread: might it be that he is a very flawed man whom God intended, nonetheless, to use for these times?

I personally think so. From what I’ve seen and read, I believe he’s done some growing and changing over the course of the election.
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But, again, saying that God set up a flawed person to be the leader of our country doesn’t give us a clue as to which flawed person He willed.

If you say, “I voted for Trump, despite his flaws, and Isaiah 45 supports that God uses flawed people for His will…”

Then I could say, “I voted for Hillary, despite her flaws, and Isaiah 45 supports that God uses flawed people for His will…”
 
I hope he is the Reagan of 1980.

Jimmy Carter put the country in a “malaise” Reagan brought us “morning in America”

Reagan and JP2 brought down the USSR. That was big.
 
I think Trump was the graver danger. Not so much his policies, though some of his rhetoric and Cabinet appointments have terrified me, but in what I see him doing to my fellow Catholics and other Christians. Over the last few months, I’ve seen some really nasty racist comments and a certain amount of contempt for the poor. My fear is that we will bargain away the rest of our principles in hopes of getting Roe overturned. The moment Trump won, we should have been resisting the parts of his platform that are contrary to Catholic teaching, not slapping ourselves on the back and talking about her new Cyrus. At least with Clinton, we would have had no delusions about where we stood and what to do next.
 
PRmerger said:
But, again, saying that God set up a flawed person to be the leader of our country doesn’t give us a clue as to which flawed person He willed.

If you say, “I voted for Trump, despite his flaws, and Isaiah 45 supports that God uses flawed people for His will…”

Then I could say, “I voted for Hillary, despite her flaws, and Isaiah 45 supports that God uses flawed people for His will…”
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I see a huge difference in a flawed Peter and a flawed Jezebel.

We are using the same word here to mean two vastly different things.
 
jtav said:
but in what I see him doing to my fellow Catholics and other Christians. Over the last few months, I’ve seen some really nasty racist comments and a certain amount of contempt for the poor.
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What do you see him doing to Catholics and Christians?

What really nasty racist comments are you talking about?

What has he done that has shown contempt for the poor?
 
holyrood said:
What really nasty racist comments are you talking about?
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It’s no secret that white nationalists are feeling empowered.

Not that all Trump supporters are racists, but white nationalists probably voted for him over Hillary.
 
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