continuance:
With your approval, if you seek a satisfaction for a clear answer from me, please indicate of which topic? dealing with Covenant ‘s, Eucharist, Priesthood, Sacrifice or a scripture interpretation? Let us take one of these at a time clarify our position and move on to the next should it please you. These posts are getting to large, and deals with too many different misunderstandings. It is my prayer that we both get the most of each others’ understanding and reveal what we have a misunderstanding of;
As I have said I am merely answering your posts. If they are too long it’s because you are covering multipule topics. A good example is this paragraph, where you say we’re getting too long and then you say:
For example The Eucharist is never a resacrifice of our Lord Jesus, of which you mistakenly interpret from a 19th century interpretation of scripture. I would love to help you with your misinformed and or misunderstood Catholic 2000 year old Christian teaching.
Do you think that I should allow these statements to go by unanswered?
Again Gab, I am merely answering your posts. you said
The New Covenant has to be renewed and a perpetual sacrifice made unto God,
To which I replied
So you **are **saying that Jesus’ sacrifice has to be repeated over and over again. Isn’t this against what it says in Hebrews 10:10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
If I am misinterpreting what you mean by “The New Covenant has to be renewed” please explain. That’s simple enough, right?
Richard Kastner;
Covenant or testament does not mean “a family relationship” The words are synonomus with contract.
There is not one biblical scholar dead or alive be it Christian or Jewish; that would agree with your definition of Covenant above.
This from The Catholic Dictionary:
COVENANT, BIBLICAL
In the Old Testament an agreement between God and Israel in which God promised protection to the Chosen People in return for exclusive loyalty. “If you obey my voice and hold fast to my covenant, you of all nations will be my very own” (Exodus 19:5). Moses presented Yahweh’s offer to his people, who promptly “answered as one, ‘All that Yahweh has said we will do.’” The compact was sealed (Exodus 19:8). Many years later Jeremiah prophesied that a new covenant would be offered. “Deep within them,” Yahweh promised, “I will plant my law, writing it on their hearts” (Jeremiah 31:31-34). Ezekiel foresaw that God would “make a covenant of peace with the, an eternal covenant” (Ezekiel 37:26). Its universal character was foreshadowed by Isaiah, to whom it was revealed by Yahweh, “so that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth” (Isaiah 49:6). In the New Testament, when Paul was explaining to the Corinthians the institution of the Eucharist at the Last Supper, he repeated Christ’s words: “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, Whenever you drink it, do this as a memorial of me” (I Corinthians 11:25). This master idea of the New Testament is reinforced in the Letter to the Hebrews: “It follows that it is a greater covenant for which Jesus has become our guarantee” (Hebrews 7:22). Christ himself is the new covenant between God and his people. (Etym. Latin convenire, to agree, to come together.)
From wikipedia:
In a religious context
See also: Covenant (biblical)
In certain religions, a covenant is a formal alliance or agreement made by God with that religious community or with humanity in general. This sort of covenant is an important concept in Judaism and Christianity, derived in the first instance from the biblical covenant tradition. An example of a covenant relationship in Judaism and Christianity is that between Abraham and God, in which God made a covenant with Abraham that He would bless Abraham’s descendants making them more numerous than the stars. Also Job made a covenant with his eyes (Job 31:1).[1] Christianity asserts that God made an additional covenant through Jesus Christ, called the “new covenant”, in which Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross would atone for the sins of all who put their faith in him (Matthew 26:28). In Islam God reminds all humanity of their covenants with him.[2]
From the dictionary for covenant:
cov·e·nant (kŭv’ə-nənt)
n.
A binding agreement; a compact.
A formal sealed agreement or contract.
A suit to recover damages for violation of such a contract.
In the Bible, God’s promise to the human race.
v. cov·e·nant·ed, cov·e·nant·ing, cov·e·nants
For contract:
con⋅tract /n., adj., and usually for v. 15–17, 21, 22 ˈkɒntrækt; otherwise v. kənˈtrækt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [n., adj., and usually for v. 15–17, 21, 22 kon-trakt; otherwise v. kuhn-trakt]
–noun 1. an agreement between two or more parties for the doing or not doing of something specified.
2. an agreement enforceable by law.
3. the written form of such an agreement.
For testament:
tes⋅ta⋅ment
–noun 1. Law. a. a will, esp. one that relates to the disposition of one’s personal property.
b. will 2 (def. 8).
- either of the two major portions of the Bible: the Mosaic or old covenant or dispensation, or the Christian or new covenant or dispensation.
- (initial capital letter) the New Testament, as distinct from the Old Testament.
- (initial capital letter) a copy of the New Testament.
- a covenant, esp. between God and humans.
These words all with minor variations are pretty much synonyms, which in biblical terms mean a **contract **with God. A contract in which God decides the terms and crafts the wording, but a contract non the less.
. However, I do appreciate the fact that you think your brothers and sisters could be wrong. I appreciate the fact that you believing them to be wrong doesn’t also mean they aren’t your brothers and sisters.
Why? 1. It would make reunification of Christians so much easier. Ecumenical talks would be simpler. 2. It would reintroduce to many Protestants the concept of the authority of the church. 3. It would be a poke into the eye to satan. Remember, our word ‘devil’ comes from ‘diablo’ - which is related to the word divide…
Love is Patient