Is using psychic ability a sin?

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Did you receive the Sacrament of Confirmation?
Yes. Our confirmation leader-coordinator person said it was a life changing experience. It realy wasnt for me. Nothing changed over the next couple months and I came to realize I didn’t realy beleave most catholic stuff. That sort of pushed me over the edge from very liberal catholic to agnostic.
 
Yes. Our confirmation leader-coordinator person said it was a life changing experience. It realy wasnt for me. Nothing changed over the next couple months and I came to realize I didn’t realy beleave most catholic stuff. That sort of pushed me over the edge from very liberal catholic to agnostic.
A lot of us have been there, done that. We’ll await your eventual return with great anticipation. 🙂
 
Hello Hunter24, 🙂

I see. My personal experience was a bit different than yours. I was really ignorant about my faith and lacked the bare necessities of knowledge to really practice my faith in a decent manner. You were blessed to have the opportunity to go to Catholic school, for what twelve years? That’s great! That’s a great foundation of knowledge I would assume.

I did not have that, all I had was the experience of having lived with my pious grand mother and lived in a close family with my practicing relatives up to the age of nine years old. Then I was sent to America and that was the end of my Catholic education and exposure. I was never even taken to Church by my new family in America - they were too devoted to the American Dollar.

So, I remained for years very ignorant about basic stuff about my faith. I have actually really dedicated myself these past seven years to learning and as I do and receive the Sacraments I am also growing spiritually. Once I had become an independent adult I practiced my faith but very ignorantly, but thanks to God and Our Blessed Mother Mary I did not get lost. I received inappropriately the Eucharist when I was in my early twenties as a friend who I went to church with told me that I could just receive - so I did. I did not go to church every Sunday but I would visit convents, pray, and do what I knew to do. I confessed for the first time when I was 33 years old - the age of Jesus. 🙂 It wasn’t that I decided or recognized that I should go to confession, I just happened to be at Lourdes and I saw all the confessionals and I just went. I think Our Blessed Mother Mary had something to do with it. 😉 But, I digress, pardon me.

Yes. Our confirmation leader-coordinator person said it was a life changing experience. It realy wasnt for me. Nothing changed over the next couple months and I came to realize I didn’t realy beleave most catholic stuff. That sort of pushed me over the edge from very liberal catholic to agnostic.
How old were you when you were confirmed?

What changes were you expecting? After having received a formal Catholic education for so many years, what were you expecting?

Confirmation, like the other sacraments of initiation, marks the beginning of a journey toward deeper knowledge of God. Our Confirmation candidates join us in claiming our heritage. For years to come, they will bear witness to what loving and believing people have handed on to them—all in the Spirit of God.

CCC 1308:

1308 Although Confirmation is sometimes called the “sacrament of Christian maturity,” we must not confuse adult faith with the adult age of natural growth, nor forget that the baptismal grace is a grace of free, unmerited election and does not need “ratification” to become effective. St. Thomas reminds us of this:

Age of body does not determine age of soul. Even in childhood man can attain spiritual maturity: as the book of Wisdom says: "For old age is not honored for length of time, or measured by number of years. "Many children, through the strength of the Holy Spirit they have received, have bravely fought for Christ even to the shedding of their blood.

What do you think of this article:

Confirmation:
A Deepening of Our Christian Identity
americancatholic.org/newsletters/CU/ac1095.asp
 
Hello Hunter24, 🙂

I see. My personal experience was a bit different than yours. I was really ignorant about my faith and lacked the bare necessities of knowledge to really practice my faith in a decent manner. You were blessed to have the opportunity to go to Catholic school, for what twelve years? That’s great! That’s a great foundation of knowledge I would assume.

I did not have that, all I had was the experience of having lived with my pious grand mother and lived in a close family with my practicing relatives up to the age of nine years old. Then I was sent to America and that was the end of my Catholic education and exposure. I was never even taken to Church by my new family in America - they were too devoted to the American Dollar.

So, I remained for years very ignorant about basic stuff about my faith. I have actually really dedicated myself these past seven years to learning and as I do and receive the Sacraments I am also growing spiritually. Once I had become an independent adult I practiced my faith but very ignorantly, but thanks to God and Our Blessed Mother Mary I did not get lost. I received inappropriately the Eucharist when I was in my early twenties as a friend who I went to church with told me that I could just receive - so I did. I did not go to church every Sunday but I would visit convents, pray, and do what I knew to do. I confessed for the first time when I was 33 years old - the age of Jesus. 🙂 It wasn’t that I decided or recognized that I should go to confession, I just happened to be at Lourdes and I saw all the confessionals and I just went. I think Our Blessed Mother Mary had something to do with it. 😉 But, I digress, pardon me.

How old were you when you were confirmed?

What changes were you expecting? After having received a formal Catholic education for so many years, what were you expecting?

Confirmation, like the other sacraments of initiation, marks the beginning of a journey toward deeper knowledge of God. Our Confirmation candidates join us in claiming our heritage. For years to come, they will bear witness to what loving and believing people have handed on to them—all in the Spirit of God.

CCC 1308:

1308 Although Confirmation is sometimes called the “sacrament of Christian maturity,” we must not confuse adult faith with the adult age of natural growth, nor forget that the baptismal grace is a grace of free, unmerited election and does not need “ratification” to become effective. St. Thomas reminds us of this:

Age of body does not determine age of soul. Even in childhood man can attain spiritual maturity: as the book of Wisdom says: "For old age is not honored for length of time, or measured by number of years. "Many children, through the strength of the Holy Spirit they have received, have bravely fought for Christ even to the shedding of their blood.

What do you think of this article:

Confirmation:
A Deepening of Our Christian Identity
americancatholic.org/newsletters/CU/ac1095.asp
I was 16. I was told I would better understand and be more faithful. I was pretty much gone by then though, so I wasn’t expecting much anyway. Sense I was confirmed I’ve actualy moved steadily away from the church.
 
A lot of us have been there, done that. We’ll await your eventual return with great anticipation. 🙂
Seconded!

Many of us have traveled some extraordinary journeys away from Holy Mother Church. But, as long as we find our way back, it’s all good. We can always use our experience to guide others back. Many who were never lead astray and those who are blessed to be in the Church now are also enduring trials and tribulations as we cross the vale of tears.

All Glory and Honor belongs to God! Praise be to God! Hallelujah!

Blessed and praised be the Holy Trinity,
Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen!
 
There is a fundimental difference in view point here. You are Christian, I am not. You view these things as coming from either God or Satan. I view them as being manifestations of our connection to the universe, because I beleave god is inherantly present in and made up of all life and energy.

I dont know how animals relate to this at all, but again we disagree here. You see animals as physical constructs with no soul or ability to reason. I see them as equal to humans on a spiritual level, even if their physical body’s dont have the mecisary processes to facilitate higher order thinking while they are on this plane of existence. You position is that we are more inteligent than animals because we have been gifted with reason by the divine. Mine is that we are more inteligent because we simply evolved a superior brain.

Lastly, you are incorrect on you statement about what a Human is. The human being is not “just flesh and bone” it is a synergy of both a physical organism and a spirit. This is what I beleave and also what the catholic church teaches. Psychic ability is not a trait attached to the body, it is attached to the spirit.

There are to methods of psychic ability, that which relies on the asistance of spiritual entity’s (Ouija boards, ect.) and that which is a result of a person connecting to existence. We all are connected spiritually because all life and energy compose the ultimate, final God. By connecting with the rest of existence spiritually we can gain insight into things we don’t know.

Now the catholic church wouldn’t agree with that but that’s what my religion teaches.
Many symbols accompany Wicca lore. Most of them have a standing tradition within the history of the occult, and they all play a role in Wicca. You have arrived at being a Wiccan by obviously not feeling the need to embrace the sacred scriptures. I’m sure you know the bible condemns divination, spiritism, magic, sorcery, witchcraft and the occult. The polytheism is also a contradiction to the strict monotheism of Christianity. Think about these oppositions before giving yourself over.
 
Many symbols accompany Wicca lore. Most of them have a standing tradition within the history of the occult, and they all play a role in Wicca. You have arrived at being a Wiccan by obviously not feeling the need to embrace the sacred scriptures. I’m sure you know the bible condemns divination, spiritism, magic, sorcery, witchcraft and the occult. The polytheism is also a contradiction to the strict monotheism of Christianity. Think about these oppositions before giving yourself over.
Yes a lot of our practices are condemned by the bible. However I don’t beleave the bible is the inspired word of God, if I did I would have never left the church. I have alot of respect for it as an important book, but it’s not an authority to Wiccans. Some people try to blend Christianity and Wicca, but this realy dosn’t work. While the Wiccan beleif structure can support monotheism, the Christian god takes a very strong stand against many Wiccan practices. All Christian Wicca is is wishful thinking by people not ready to fully go to one religion or another.

Also, your comment about symbolism reminds me to make shur no one gets the wrong idea about this. The most common Wiccan symbol is the pentagram, a symbol that is often asociated with satanism. Wiccans use a normal pentagram that points up, Satanists use a inverted pentigram pointing down. The normal pentigram is not a satanic, and is actualy found in some early christian ruins.
 
There is a fundimental difference in view point here. You are Christian, I am not. You view these things as coming from either God or Satan. I view them as being manifestations of our connection to the universe, because I beleave god is inherantly present in and made up of all life and energy.

I dont know how animals relate to this at all, but again we disagree here. You see animals as physical constructs with no soul or ability to reason. I see them as equal to humans on a spiritual level, even if their physical body’s dont have the mecisary processes to facilitate higher order thinking while they are on this plane of existence. You position is that we are more inteligent than animals because we have been gifted with reason by the divine. Mine is that we are more inteligent because we simply evolved a superior brain.

Lastly, you are incorrect on you statement about what a Human is. The human being is not “just flesh and bone” it is a synergy of both a physical organism and a spirit. This is what I beleave and also what the catholic church teaches. Psychic ability is not a trait attached to the body, it is attached to the spirit.

There are to methods of psychic ability, that which relies on the asistance of spiritual entity’s (Ouija boards, ect.) and that which is a result of a person connecting to existence. We all are connected spiritually because all life and energy compose the ultimate, final God. By connecting with the rest of existence spiritually we can gain insight into things we don’t know.

Now the catholic church wouldn’t agree with that but that’s what my religion teaches.
So, you think that God is everything, the rocks, the birds, the sea, the moon, me and you etc… all together = God? So, all the matter and everything in the universe is an entity that is God. Did he create himself? If he and she is everything, is this entity good and evil? We have good and evil and if God is this creation all together than is’he and she’ evil and self created?
 
Why do you have respect for the Bible?
It is the most published book on earth. It has had a profound effect on world history, and is a holy document to over 1/3 the people on earth. I don’t beleave or agree with all it’s teachings, but It certainly deserves respect.
 
Is it sinful to desire Holy abilities? Like the abilities that Jesus had: healing, bilocation, etc.

I’m guilty of sometimes wishing I can do these things.
 
So, you think that God is everything, the rocks, the birds, the sea, the moon, me and you etc… all together = God? So, all the matter and everything in the universe is an entity that is God. Did he create himself? If he and she is everything, is this entity good and evil? We have good and evil and if God is this creation all together than is’he and she’ evil and self created?
It would not be correct to say god IS everything, but that it is PRESENT IN everything. The ultimate God is made up of all spirits and spiritual energys but not all matter. Because the ultimate God is comprised of everything it is perfectly neutral. It is the dietys, spirits, energys, and beings which make up the ultimate God that are either Good, Evil, or neutral.
 
Is it sinful to desire Holy abilities? Like the abilities that Jesus had: healing, bilocation, etc.

I’m guilty of sometimes wishing I can do these things.
Hello FaithBuild18, 🙂

Jesus had a lot of powers which He refused to use even as Satan tempted Him. Jesus humbled Himself in His/our humanity and obtained our salvation. He was the spotless lamb that was sacrifice in atonement for our sins. Our Lord Jesus told us that when the Holy Spirit comes we would be able to do greater works than He did.Those things that you are mentioning are gifts of the Holy Spirit. You want to discern the gift that you were given and put it in the service of God and people.

Btw, FaithBuild18, I met two people who have the gift of healing and I personally experience their gift. I just experienced the great peace at witnessing them exercise their gift and seeing them being witnesses to the Holy Spirit. I did not wish I had their gifts nor was I envious of them. To the contrary, I felt blessed to have the experience of witnessing them. I think it is rewarding to discern our own gifts. This is not to say that it will necessarily be simple but just experiencing the presence of God is extraordinary. We want to grow spiritually ourselves and practice our faith and in that there is a lot of blessings.

What would be the ultimate purpose to help others or to be famous and admired by others or just for the fun?

I sure hope this helps. I am just going on…🙂
 
It would not be correct to say god IS everything, but that it is PRESENT IN everything. The ultimate God is made up of all spirits and spiritual energys but not all matter. Because the ultimate God is comprised of everything it is perfectly neutral. It is the dietys, spirits, energys, and beings which make up the ultimate God that are either Good, Evil, or neutral.
Doesn’t that take a greater leap of faith than Christianity? I mean, what was it that you were trying to do without, the personal God? So, these spirits in the universe that are suppose to be God, do they exist out side of time and creation or are they just like the invisible energy of universe?

Getting back to the topic of psychic abilities, do you think that you have psychic abilities and when did you first experience this? Was before or after you joined Wicca?

You are in my humble prayers,

Abba
 
It is the most published book on earth. It has had a profound effect on world history, and is a holy document to over 1/3 the people on earth. I don’t beleave or agree with all it’s teachings, but It certainly deserves respect.
In front of me here, I have the two volumes of the completed works of Aristotle and the one volume of the completed works of Plato. I like those guys, Aristotle not to much, but I love Plato. Now, they had a tremendous influence in the development of civilization as we know it, philosophy, law, science, etc., etc., etc., but I have absolutely no respect for these three volumes. It would not bother me in a special way if someone stepped on them or burned them. It would bother me if it was the Bible.

Are you sure that is the only reason you RESPECT Sacred Scripture? Just think about it. You do not have to answer me but answer it to yourself.
 
Doesn’t that take a greater leap of faith than Christianity? I mean, what was it that you were trying to do without, the personal God? So, these spirits in the universe that are suppose to be God, do they exist out side of time and creation or are they just like the invisible energy of universe?

Getting back to the topic of psychic abilities, do you think that you have psychic abilities and when did you first experience this? Was before or after you joined Wicca?

You are in my humble prayers,

Abba
Hmmm, how would this require a greater leap of faith? I was already agnostic before I became Wiccan so I was not trying to escape a personal God, Wicca is full of them infact, they are the dietys like Thor, Odin, Ra, and Hachiman who compose large parts of the God and Goddess. It’s not just these spirits that are the ultimate God. We call them Gods out of respect for their power, but they are only parts. They are, just like our souls, beyond time and space. While our physical body’s will eventually die our souls will go on beyond physical space. It’s not just those spirits which comprise the ultimate god, it’s me, you, and everyone around you to, we are all little pieces of it.
 
In front of me here, I have the two volumes of the completed works of Aristotle and the one volume of the completed works of Plato. I like those guys, Aristotle not to much, but I love Plato. Now, they had a tremendous influence in the development of civilization as we know it, philosophy, law, science, etc., etc., etc., but I have absolutely no respect for these three volumes. It would not bother me in a special way if someone stepped on them or burned them. It would bother me if it was the Bible.

Are you sure that is the only reason you RESPECT Sacred Scripture? Just think about it. You do not have to answer me but answer it to yourself.
I would be mad to see a bible burned because it would be disrespectful to Christians. I wouldn’t be offended personally but unless this person has a good reason to be burning that bible I would say “hey, quit making an #*^ of yourself, that’s offensive to a lot of people”. I would do the same for the Koran, Torah, Bagivat Gieta (that is totaly wrong spelling) or any other holy bood because they are very important to people. I have proper respect for any religions holy texts.
 
Getting back to the topic of psychic abilities, do you think that you have psychic abilities and when did you first experience this? Was before or after you joined Wicca?
Ohhh I’m no psychic myself, I simply know what some wiccans beleave on the subject. (I have however, alwase been a superb Ouija board operator haha)
 
Yes a lot of our practices are condemned by the bible. However I don’t beleave the bible is the inspired word of God, if I did I would have never left the church. I have alot of respect for it as an important book, but it’s not an authority to Wiccans. Some people try to blend Christianity and Wicca, but this realy dosn’t work. While the Wiccan beleif structure can support monotheism, the Christian god takes a very strong stand against many Wiccan practices. All Christian Wicca is is wishful thinking by people not ready to fully go to one religion or another.

Also, your comment about symbolism reminds me to make shur no one gets the wrong idea about this. The most common Wiccan symbol is the pentagram, a symbol that is often asociated with satanism. Wiccans use a normal pentagram that points up, Satanists use a inverted pentigram pointing down. The normal pentigram is not a satanic, and is actualy found in some early christian ruins.
Other symbols such as the amulet, Talisman, ankh, athame, circle, rune, sigil, tarot, wand & witches ladder are associated with Wicca and have some connection with Satanism.

Consider truth. Remember, it’s not a question of your truth of my truth, but universal truth as in one plus one is two.
 
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