Is Wearing Immodest Clothing a Sin?

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I can’t even begin to respond to such a post.
Good then don’t and leave it at that. Apparently you disagree with my views that both man and woman should respect each other equally.

It’s okay I don’t know if you are a man or not, but as a man I really find it hard to avoid temptation when pornography is being displayed on television, billboards, movies, women’s clothing, magazines, internet. However you don’t see what I see, and think I’m just some throwback from the Medieval Ages well that’s okay.
 
Good then don’t and leave it at that. Apparently you disagree with my views that both man and woman should respect each other equally.

It’s okay I don’t know if you are a man or not, but as a man I really find it hard to avoid temptation when pornography is being displayed on television, billboards, movies, women’s clothing, magazines, internet. However you don’t see what I see, and think I’m just some throwback from the Medieval Ages well that’s okay.

If you see porn everywhere – maybe you need some type of therapy.
 

If you see porn everywhere – maybe you need some type of therapy.
Wow…really? :rolleyes:

No I don’t need therapy I need Christ, and if you guys think the way society objectify’s women is perfectly “okay” then you guys need Him too cause Satan is blinding you both.
 
So if you went to a country where some women (especially elderly women) walk around bare breasted and it is culturally acceptable there, are those women also commiting mortal sins? They too love God, some are even Christians. Some of the women would even nurse their babies openly.
First of all, I wasn’t saying that showing your cleavage was a mortal sin. They were two seperate points. I was saying, having a heart of gold, doesn’t make a sin any less a sin. Whether immodesty is a mortal sin, depends on whether or not it meets the criteria set out by the Church.

Secondly, if those women you are referring to are unaware of what God commands of them, then no they are not committing a mortal sin. If they are aware that God teaches us to be modest, then yes I would think they are sinning.
 
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Walking_Home:
If you see porn everywhere – maybe you need some type of therapy.
Wow…really? :rolleyes:

No I don’t need therapy** I need Christ**, and if you guys think the way society objectify’s women is perfectly “okay” then you guys need Him too cause Satan is blinding you both.

I agree – you need Christ – just as all of us need Christ – to help us purify our hearts and minds – so that when we look at another – “lust” will not be on the forefront.
 
Good then don’t and leave it at that. Apparently you disagree with my views that both man and woman should respect each other equally.

It’s okay I don’t know if you are a man or not, but as a man I really find it hard to avoid temptation when pornography is being displayed on television, billboards, movies, women’s clothing, magazines, internet. However you don’t see what I see, and think I’m just some throwback from the Medieval Ages well that’s okay.
You said:
.“so yes I do compare some immodest dressed women to some pornstars for …”

Have you any idea what you are saying. Your opinion that some female porn stars do it for attention is utter rubbis. To liken women who you think dress immodestly to porn stars is wrong, wrong wrong, uncharitable, unnChristian and certainly not something that I would expect to see in CAF.

No, I do not see what you see. Unlike you, I make the assumption that most men and women are basically good.
 
First of all, I wasn’t saying that showing your cleavage was a mortal sin. They were two seperate points. I was saying, having a heart of gold, doesn’t make a sin any less a sin. Whether immodesty is a mortal sin, depends on whether or not it meets the criteria set out by the Church.

Secondly, if those women you are referring to are unaware of what God commands of them, then no they are not committing a mortal sin. If they are aware that God teaches us to be modest, then yes I would think they are sinning.
On your first point, thanks for the clarification.

On your second point, I disagree. Why are they being immodest? No nobody in their culture think they are being immodest, sinful. God does not say our bodies are sinful, we are sinful. What right do we have to impose our values and culture on others and make them see sin where there is no sin?
 
You said:
.“so yes I do compare some immodest dressed women to some pornstars for …”

Have you any idea what you are saying. Your opinion that some female porn stars do it for attention is utter rubbis. To liken women who you think dress immodestly to porn stars is wrong, wrong wrong, uncharitable, unnChristian and certainly not something that I would expect to see in CAF.

No, I do not see what you see.** Unlike you, I make the assumption that most men and women are basically good.**

Most definitely agree.
 
On your first point, thanks for the clarification.

On your second point, I disagree. Why are they being immodest? No nobody in their culture think they are being immodest, sinful. God does not say our bodies are sinful, we are sinful. What right do we have to impose our values and culture on others and make them see sin where there is no sin?
Just because everybody walks around without a top on, doesn’t mean it doesn’t cause the men to think of the women in inappropriate ways, or compare the women’s breast sizes to their mate or lust after them etc.

And since we can’t seem to agree about what constitutes modesty nor the importance of it, or whether we should as brothers and sisters in Christ, care enough about each other, to be accountable to each other in regards to it in this part of the world, I really don’t see the point in getting into a discussion about some other far off culture and whether they are being immodest or not.
 
You said:
.“so yes I do compare some immodest dressed women to some pornstars for …”

Have you any idea what you are saying. Your opinion that some female porn stars do it for attention is utter rubbis. To liken women who you think dress immodestly to porn stars is wrong, wrong wrong, uncharitable, unnChristian and certainly not something that I would expect to see in CAF.

No, I do not see what you see. Unlike you, I make the assumption that most men and women are basically good.
Well it’s sad that you think it’s perfectly okay for society to objectify women and turn them into objects for man’s selfish desires. You think it’s okay women are lied to and told that dressing immodestly is sending a good message to men. Your line of thinking I would say is wrong.

I’ll say this before I part ways for tonight. Next time you see a woman dressed in improper clothing, look at her as if she was your daughter and ask yourself “Is that how I want my daughter to dress, where men are looking at her lusting after her and having disgusting fantasies about her and treating her as an object rather than a child of God?”

I think most women and men strive and desire to be good but we all stumble every now and then and that’s why we need repentance and forgiveness…however some people choose to reject God and live lives estranged from Him…and I believe many are living lives that reject God and are completely oblivious to it and that’s the biggest travesty.

As for the pornstar comment, do not judge these women and think that they are “evil” and improper dressed women are “good” both are people who are being deceived by society to live a life contrary to what God wants. Most pornstars are women crying out for help and they need our charity and forgiveness…because many were abused at a young age and are in a warped mindset about sex and love…for someone chastising me for being uncharitable YOU SIR should be ashamed of yourself…they are just as deserving of Christ’s love and forgiveness as you and I are.

My point in dressing immodestly and acting immodestly is that it doesn’t hurt the man or the woman…It hurts both, it leads both to sin and estranges both away from Christ.

You call me unChristian because I am saddened and disgusted at the way women are objectified by society, something you obviously do not have a problem with…to that I say YOU need to repent and seek for Christ. The way society treats women as sexual objects instead of Children of God is un-Christian and if you can’t see that then you are completely blind by Satan.

My guess is you are numbed to the flagrant amount sexual images in society because you live in sexual sin as I have been. I used to be able to walk past an improper dressed woman, watch sex scenes on television and movies, and view highly-sexualized advertisements because I was constantly viewing pornography and engaging in sin that I had become numb to it. Now that I am turning my life over to Christ I am starting to see how sad and depraved society has become and how I lived my life. My guess is you are in denial about the way women are objectified in society because you are living in that sin…I will pray that you turn to Christ and repent.

I am not one to bark like this…I do not like confrontation and I desire friendship with all, but for you to hurl such callous insults at me, I am forced to be confrontational in this manner. I am not angry, I am just disappointed you would say such things to me and that you have such a warped and misguided view of me. If I am wrong on anything I have said I will pray tonight and ask God to tell me if I was wrong in what I’ve said. I may have confused you with my harsh, unrestrained, strong, crude, graphic, vulgar use of language but this is how I speak sometimes. So I’m setting the record straight with this.

I do not believe that women should be treated like cattle as they do in the Mid East for they are just as equally important as man and do not deserve to be treated as such and reserved to the status of a second-class citizen by being forced to cover themselves head to toe because their men are afraid of them, neither do I believe women should be treated like cattle as they do in the West where it is permissible and encouraged that men look at women as objects and that women are encouraged to view themselves as objects all-the-while being lied to and being told that they are “liberated” when they do so…they are not, they are just as imprisoned as those poor unfortunate souls who walk around covered in a cloak. For they are being denied the joys of Christ.

I fear I am going to regret posting this, but I also feel compelled to say it. I feel you and Walking Home have gravely insulted me and are attempting to demean my character and honor, by making it appear that I have no respect for women and I have to stand up and refute such ridiculous and unjust accusations.
 
Well it’s sad that you think it’s perfectly okay for society to objectify women and turn them into objects for man’s selfish desires. You think it’s okay women are lied to and told that dressing immodestly is sending a good message to men. Your line of thinking I would say is wrong.

I’ll say this before I part ways for tonight.** Next time you see a woman dressed in improper clothing, look at her as if she was your daughter and ask yourself “Is that how I want my daughter to dress, where men are looking at her lusting after her and having disgusting fantasies about her and treating her as an object rather than** a child of God?****”

That is the whole point of purity of the heart and mind – that we should see a child of God— no matter how a person is dressed-- how they look.
 

That is the whole point of purity of the heart and mind – that we should see a child of God— no matter how a person is dressed-- how they look.
However that would be assuming that all people of the world are Christians and will see the person that way.

Unfortunately our world is not made up of such people, and even Christians have problems with lust and impurity. Doesn’t make it right of course, but it is fact.
 
Well it’s sad that you think it’s perfectly okay for society to objectify women and turn them into objects for man’s selfish desires. You think it’s okay women are lied to and told that dressing immodestly is sending a good message to men. Your line of thinking I would say is wrong.

I’ll say this before I part ways for tonight. Next time you see a woman dressed in improper clothing, look at her as if she was your daughter and ask yourself “Is that how I want my daughter to dress, where men are looking at her lusting after her and having disgusting fantasies about her and treating her as an object rather than a child of God?”

You call me unChristian because I am saddened and disgusted at the way women are objectified by society, something you obviously do not have a problem with…to that I say YOU need to repent and seek for Christ. The way society treats women as sexual objects instead of Children of God is un-Christian and if you can’t see that then you are completely blind by Satan.

My guess is you are numbed to the flagrant amount sexual images in society because you live in sexual sin as I have been. I used to be able to walk past an improper dressed woman, watch sex scenes on television and movies, and view highly-sexualized advertisements because I was constantly viewing pornography and engaging in sin that I had become numb to it. Now that I am turning my life over to Christ I am starting to see how sad and depraved society has become and how I lived my life. My guess is you are in denial about the way women are objectified in society because you are living in that sin…I will pray that you turn to Christ and repent.

Another thing —austenbosten—please don’t apply your faults – to someone else.
 

Another thing —austenbosten—please don’t apply your faults – to someone else.
Oh wow you are a piece of work yes keep judging me…you know what I don’t care. I love you and I wish the best for you.
 
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Walking_Home:
That is the whole point of purity of the heart and mind – that we should see a child of God— no matter how a person is dressed-- how they look.
However that would be assuming that all people of the world are Christians and will see the person that way.

Unfortunately our world is not made up of such people, and even Christians have problems with lust and impurity. Doesn’t make it right of course, but it is fact.

I was responding to a person – who belongs to a Christian denomination. And we as Christians should not only take it onto ourselves-- that we should see a child of God – no matter how a person is dressed/how they look – but also teach that to others as we evangelize.
 
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Walking_Home:
Another thing —austenbosten—please don’t apply your faults – to someone else.
Oh wow you are a piece of work yes keep judging me…you know what I don’t care. I love you and I wish the best for you.

Judging you --yea sure. Look below – at what you posted prior to severus68. As can be seen – you have indeed – applied your own faults – to severus68.
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austenbosten:
My guess is you are numbed to the flagrant amount sexual images in society because you live in sexual sin as I have been. I used to be able to walk past an improper dressed woman, watch sex scenes on television and movies, and view highly-sexualized advertisements because I was constantly viewing pornography and engaging in sin that I had become numb to it. Now that I am turning my life over to Christ I am starting to see how sad and depraved society has become and how I lived my life. My guess is you are in denial about the way women are objectified in society because you are living in that sin…I will pray that you turn to Christ and repent
 

Judging you --yea sure. Look below – at what you posted prior to severus68. As can be seen – you have indeed – applied your own faults – to severus68.
There is nothing wrong with warning people that they may be engaging in sin. If serverus68 says that I am wrong and falsely accused him of sin, then I will apologize to him. However that doesn’t excuse the both of you chastising me, insulting me, and making me out to be some sort of deranged misogynist. What you two have said on here was really hurtful to me.
 
A woman wearing a tank top and shorts is not sinning.

A man who sees said woman and thinks lustful thoughts about her is sinning.

A woman wearing a sweater and leggings is not sinning.

A man who sees woman wearing sweater and leggings and thinks lustful thoughts about her is sinning.
 
He’s right.

At the end of the day, we are still sexual beings and we will still be attracted to women. Wear a bikini, cover yourself head to toe in burlap, wear nothing but socks, don full plate armor… we will still find a way to be attracted to women.

I don’t have the answers to what is modest or immodest, or whether it is a man’s lack of chastity, or a woman dressing to draw attention to herself. All I know is God made us all to be beautiful and to appreciate each others’ beauty whether it is inside or out. God made women to appeal to men with their beauty, and men are called to appreciate that beauty in a chaste way no matter how it presents itself.

I love the beauty of women and I am a chaste man,
Joshua
There is nothing wrong with loving/appreciating the beauty of a woman. Nor is there anything wrong with us women appreciating/loving the attractiveness of a man. I can look at many a person, and say “he’s good looking” without lusting over him. It is not a sin to recognize attractiveness.

And to go back to what I posted about what my dh said, someone later responded w/ it being nonsense. But really, it’s not. Every person is unique; therefore, what everyone is attracted to will be different. Not every man is out there lusting over every woman he sees, nor is every woman lusting over every man she sees. It really makes me wonder what people are doing when they are out, when they are at church, etc. Because I couldn’t tell you what anyone but my family is wearing in church, or anywhere else for that matter. My dh & I are both the type of people who will notice behavior/actions more than anything. If someone is acting very loud/inappropriate for where we are, I may notice that, but I probably couldn’t begin to tell you what they were wearing.

Personally, I say everyone should just remove the planks from their own eyes. Maybe you (general you) are bothered by what you perceive as immodest dress. But what is it about you that annoys someone? Where do you stand on that - is it your problem, or theirs? When you are bothered by immodest dress, you (again, general you) place blame on the person bothering you. Are you willing to accept the blame for whatever it is you do that annoys someone? Because it could be anything - dress, language, behavior, etc.
 
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