Is West more embracing of East, or vice-versa?

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Yeah, but when the epiclesis is implicit, rather than “send down Your Spirit”, and there is more than one implicit epiclesis . . . which one?

I only see the latin rite liturgy a couple of times a year, so I’m not likely to catch this. I can almost keep up with the “and with your spirit” by now . . .

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I see Westerns say fine things or promote eastern practices but not so much the other way around. Of course that’s my experience and may be due to a lack of exposure.
 
Same here unfortunately. I can understand their annoyance with scholasticism though. I’m annoyed myself. Or maybe not just scholasticism, but just about everything that passes for philosophy and ideologies (well into non Christian spheres).

I think this is exactly what created Nietzsche and various forms of nihilism. As a reaction to all of it. When he attacks Christianity, he’s attacking the ideologies of the Western tradition. He knew nothing about how the ancient church thought (east or west).
 
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I can see that. But I’d say it’s a cultural difference just about. Some like to have such fine, nice logical quaint answers and ways of looking to reality, while others don’t.
 
Today, there seems to be more of the East influence West than vice versa, yes.

However,the East, both EC and EO, are still recovering their own from the latinizations of the last century, some of which in the EC case were forded upon them (the most obvious being the celibate priesthood).

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First Communion is also another one…although I think in some cases it’s self imposed (we want to be like the Latins to show that we’re Catholic and not Orthodox.)
 
yes, that’s another painful one.

The pews are an americanization, not a latinization, and many/most Orthodox in the US also have them.

And now we see parishes basically transfer the hullabaloo of first communion to “First Holy Confession” when the order has been restored . . .

My own parish recently removed the extra bars from the crosses in the ironwork! Apparently, it was bothering some of the parents at the school. :headbang: [we need a headbang emoji!!!] 😱

I understand not putting up the yniondome again after it failed; a three foot snow dispersal device over a church in the desert is objectively stupid–but the cross above didn’t get replaced, either (again, this may not be possible due to the structural damage; that building is not long for the world without serious and expensive engineering . . .)

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Of course, your referring to Archbishop Ireland who died 100 years ago this year.
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I read Archbishop of Ireland 🤦‍♂️, and went down a completely wrong-headed path trying to figure out the details of this phantom Celtic-Eastern Schism of 1918…
 
yes I’ve noticed this trend of “First Confession” as well. In all honesty I have come to really dislike the whole practice of First Communion for the Latin Church as well. (And this is coming from someone raised in the Latin Church.) In fact I believe our UGCC Cathedral’s school does the whole First Solemn Communion thing…SMH…🤦‍♀️

I love the 3 bar cross and would be upset at it’s removal as well. I have noticed though that’s it’s basically a Slavic thing…the Greek and Antiochian Orthodox churches in my city don’t use it, only our OCA and Romanian churches do.

ETA: I also despise pews! All our Orthodox churches have them also but they are sooooo cumbersome for doing prostrations or even bowing…and little kids tripping over things…ugh, just NO!
 
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Oh, that cross thing is horrid!

We are a Catholic church, a Universl church, but not a uniform church, per se
 
Wow! I’ve heard of parishes splitting over the calendar but this is a first for me! 🤔
 
I’m partial to the plain (Roman?) cross and Antiochian crosses myself. 🙂 Not really into the elaborate designs, but that’s a strange reason to split!
 
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I’ve tried to get more information about the Orthodox church, and every book I’ve read or website I’ve gone to, I always notice some underlying anger towards Roman Catholics. I’ve never heard any priest or read in any book or heard a pope in my lifetime say anything about the Orthodox church that was unkind.
 
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d every book I’ve read or website I’ve gone to, I always notice some underlying anger towards Roman Catholics.
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In books perhaps, but in real life in Pittsburgh I haven’t found any particular anger from our Orthodox friends towards Catholics at all. From what I’ve seen is they have respectful disagreement with us, just like they have with our Protestant neighbors.

They may think we and the protestants wrong, but I just don’t feel any hate from them.
 
The West tends to embrace the East, and the East tends to resist the West.

Many Eastern Orthodox have this weird Byzantine obsession where everything non Byzantine is considered essentially demonic… A truly bizarre, but also very widespread opinion in Orthodoxy.
 
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There’s also the factor that the Orthodox Churches are national churches: They inevitably get bound up in Eastern European nationalism, which is particularly virulent. I think a good portion of the animosity of the East towards the West stems from that.
 
THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, FAITH AND CHURCH that Jesus personally Instituted. Today’s RCC.

The Eastern Churches {our Brethren} choose to separate from the West {the RCC} in 1054 which history records as the Great Eastern Schism

May God guide our paths,
PJM
 
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They were obviously resisted by the others because the idea was simply too good (and the home Churches in the old country thoroughly enjoy that American financial patronage).
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In some cases, the American parishes are dependent upon support from the Old Country.
 
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