Is yoga demonic or no?

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Really, since I’m Christian and don’t do yoga, and you apparently do…maybe you can tell me which one I’m imitating when I stretch my arm to reach for a can of corn on the top shelf. Would that be the mountain god???
I didn’t make the ridiculous assertion that the poses all mimic Hindu gods, I believe that was you - so why say since you so clearly cannot prove it?

And since you do believe that the yoga poses mimic Hindu gods, then yes you are both mimicking a Hindu god and doing yoga every time you touch your toes or reach for a can of corn. Hence the ridiculousness of the assertion that they mimic Hindu gods 🙂
 
That’s not only my claim by the way…I hardly made it up. A little history lesson in what you’re practicing will clear that up for ya.
 
That’s not only my claim by the way…I hardly made it up. A little history lesson in what you’re practicing will clear that up for ya.
A dozen people all saying the moon is made of green cheese with one voice doesn’t make it any truer. None of your fellow claimants seem to have any better evidence for the claim than you do.

My other point - that IF it is true then it logically follows that you do indeed practice yoga - as does every other person on the planet - stands either way, so no skin off my nose.
 
What about the other forms of yoga, Truth telling, chastity, cleanliness, etc? Reject them also?

BTW: Many of the poses and their names could take a Christian significance:
Three angle pose in honor of the Trinity, Corpse pose in honor of our Lord’s three days in the tomb, Staff pose for Moses’ staff, etc
 
That’s not only my claim by the way…I hardly made it up. A little history lesson in what you’re practicing will clear that up for ya.
A dozen people all saying the moon is made of green cheese with one voice doesn’t make it any truer. None of your fellow claimants seem to have any better evidence for the claim than you do.
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Yes, really where *do *you get that?
 
A dozen people all saying the moon is made of green cheese with one voice doesn’t make it any truer. None of your fellow claimants seem to have any better evidence for the claim than you do.

My other point - that IF it is true then it logically follows that you do indeed practice yoga - as does every other person on the planet - stands either way, so no skin off my nose.
Ok, so you’re saying you didn’t research it, and are going to dismiss it. Ok. No skin off my nose either. Let me say this, can you prove my claims wrong? You’ve yet to provide anything substantial other than Ham is ham, and how that doesn’t mean you live in Italy and somehow that proves your point that every stretch is yoga.

And that doesn’t prove your second point…If I’m reaching above my head, I’m not doing a warrior yoga move as Mayo stated. It’s probably because I’m short and can’t reach the top shelf…
 
Ok, so you’re saying you didn’t research it, and are going to dismiss it. Ok. No skin off my nose either. Let me say this, can you prove my claims wrong? You’ve yet to provide anything substantial other than Ham is ham, and how that doesn’t mean you live in Italy and somehow that proves your point that every stretch is yoga.

And that doesn’t prove your second point…If I’m reaching above my head, I’m not doing a warrior yoga move as Mayo stated. It’s probably because I’m short and can’t reach the top shelf…
Jupiter is made of green cheese! You’ve never been there. You can’t prove it isn’t. So you must believe me and my gang of loony friends when we say it is so …

That is about the level of logic you are operating on.

Mayo actually said that it probably IS a form of warrior pose. And even if it isn’t you still touch your toes, which by your own earlier logic makes you a shameless demon-possessed Hindu-god-worshipping yoga practitioner. 😃
 
Yoga is defined as a “mystic discipline by which one seeks to achieve liberation of the self, and union with the supreme spirit, through intense concentration, deep meditation, and practices involving prescribed postures, controlled breathing, and so forth” (Webster’s New World Dictionary/1980

May I ask who “the supreme spirit” is to Hindus? Why do we want liberation of the self?

One of the underlying principles of the yoga philosophy is the belief that humanity (like the rest of creation) is an extension of god (ultimate reality) and that human beings share its nature. The aim of getting involved in various trances and concentrated meditation exercises is to eventually become one with the ultimate reality (god) by achieving release from the endless cycles of birth and rebirth. This is the traditional intent of yoga, as well as the goal of some of the diet, exercise, and massage therapies that are prominent today. Many of the methods are inherited from the Eastern religions. Some may argue that most Westerners derive benefits from yoga without becoming entangled in pagan theological premises, but there is a subtle tendency to become involved in yoga’s deeper stages which are distinctly religious in nature.
The book Out on a Limb, written by Shirley MacLaine and published in 1983, describes her transformation from being an agnostic to becoming a believer in the spirit realm. MacLaine’s second book, Dancing in the Light (1985), was on the New York Times Bestseller List for many months. A writer in Christianity Today (May 16, 1986) describes the book as being more like “rushing into the dark.” He says, “The journey carries (MacLaine) along into a daily exercise of yoga, the use of crystals for spiritual power, the chanting of Hindu mantras, (and) the use of various past-life recall experiences.” In her first book, MacLaine is told by the spirits that we are all co-creators with God. In her second book, she understands that each individual human being is God. Shirley MacLaine insists that if all of us would believe that “Everyone is God,” this world would be a much happier and healthier place. The Christianity Today writer concludes by saying, “MacLaine presents Hindu philosophy and various occult practices in a seductive manner … (and) those experiences will be further felt by the general public in the autumn of 1986″ — because there is tentatively scheduled for November, 1986, a five-hour made-for-TV movie series to be aired on the ABC network — a series which is based on MacLaine’s books. This is sure to have an impact on multitudes of people.

The growing belief in reincarnation and the increasing experimentation with yoga (and related concepts) is part of an attempt to remove death’s sting — not by pointing to Christ’s substitutionary atonement and His bodily resurrection — but by denying death’s reality and ruling out the possibility of God’s judgment. The genuine Christian knows that faith in the saving power of the blood of Christ (Romans 5:8) can bring true union with God and with His will. Peace with God does not come through release from participation in the endless cycles of reincarnation. (Most of us, when encountering some new setting in life, have had thoughts that we may have seen a certain street, or met a certain person, or eaten a particular food before — when indeed we never had such an experience in the past. Many places look alike; many people look alike; surely such strange thoughts are merely the imagination at work).

Yoga implies pantheism (that all is God) because human beings are a mere extension of the ultimate reality. Yoga ignores the sin nature (the Fall in Genesis 3) because alienation caused by sinful rebellion against God is not the fundamental problem of the human family. Yoga describes salvation as the healing of humanity’s problems. It is achieved when people become aware of their oneness with all living things and through intense concentration and deep meditation are released from the endless cycles of birth and death and rebirth .

Those who advocate yoga are certainly to be admired for their devotion to maintaining healthy bodies. Too many in our churches are consuming inordinate amounts of coffee, sweets, and soft drink. Such persons will find some immediate physical benefits in yoga. Care of our physical bodies is important, but not at the risk of aligning ourselves with pagan principles! The popularity of yoga presents a difficult challenge to Christians who ought to make their bodies a welcome place for the Holy Spirit to reside (1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 6:19-20).
 
Jupiter is made of green cheese! You’ve never been there. You can’t prove it isn’t. So you must believe me and my gang of loony friends when we say it is so …

That is about the level of logic you are operating on.

Mayo actually said that it probably IS a form of warrior pose. And even if it isn’t you still touch your toes, which by your own earlier logic makes you a shameless demon-possessed Hindu-god-worshipping yoga practitioner. 😃
Does yoga teach you to get personal in your attacks when people don’t agree with you? I’ve yet to call you a name, and I won’t. We are all adults here having a grown-up debate (At least I thought). I’ve provided info, you haven’t. If you wish to do so, please do and I’ll gladly read it. If you wish to dismiss my info, then you are free to do so, but that doesn’t give you a license to be disrespectful.
 
Mayo actually said that it probably IS a form of warrior pose. And even if it isn’t you still touch your toes, which by your logic makes you a shameless demon-possessed Hindu-god-worshipping yoga practitioner. 😃
The toe touching is Padangusthasana which I had to look up.
I couldn’t find a toe touching god though. :eek:
 
Yoga is defined as a “mystic discipline by which one seeks to achieve liberation of the self, and union with the supreme spirit, through intense concentration, deep meditation, and practices involving prescribed postures, controlled breathing, and so forth” (Webster’s New World Dictionary/1980.
OK, that is a pretty good definition. Maybe we get a bit sloppy when we do “prescribed postures” for other purposes and still call it yoga. But again that takes us to intention making all the difference.
 
Virabhadra = the name of a fierce warrior, an incarnationof Shiva, described as having a thousand heads, a thousand eyes, and a thousand feet, wielding a thousand clubs, and wearing a tiger’s skin.

Is this the guy? Found it on a yoga website aling with the pose. What’s Christian about incarnation?
 
How to Do Sleeping Vishnu Pose in Yoga
Sleeping Vishnu Pose is a reclined balancing yoga posture that stretches the hips and hamstrings. Lying on your side with one leg lifted might look relaxing, but it can actually be quite challenging!
In English, this pose is sometimes called “Side Reclining Leg Lift.” However, the Sanskrit name for the pose, “Anantasana” (ah-nahn-TAHS-uh-nuh), has a deeper story. The name comes from the word “ananta,” meaning “infinite one.” This refers to two beings:
A mythological thousand-headed serpent, named Sesa, upon whom the Hindu deity Vishnu rests at the bottom of the primordial sea
Vishnu himself
According to an ancient Hindu legend that speaks about the beginning of the universe, Vishnu slept while a lotus flower blossomed from his navel. From that lotus flower was born Brahma, the Hindu god of creation. The raised leg in Anantasana mimics the Brahma-bearing lotus stalk that rose from Vishnu’s navel!
Benefits of Sleeping Vishnu Pose
Anantasana stretches the hamstrings, hips, calves, pelvis, and groin muscles. It tones the abdomen, increases hip mobility, and can help reduce low back pain. This pose improves balance and coordination, while also developing greater focus and concentration. Holding your balance in this pose requires a calm and clear mind. Acquiring this ability can help you reduce stress, anxiety, and mental fatigue.
The mind is restless and difficult to restrain, but it is subdued by practice.
The Bhagavad Gita, 200 BCE
Cautions
Do not practice this pose if you are currently experiencing headaches or diarrhea. Those with shoulder, neck, or wrist injuries should modify the pose as needed to avoid further pain (see Modifications & Variations, below). Always work within your own range of limits and abilities. If you have any medical concerns, talk with your doctor before practicing yoga.
Instructions
Begin by lying on the floor on your right side. Keep your legs straight, in line with your torso. Extend your right arm along the floor beneath your right ear, parallel to your torso. If you are having trouble balancing, press the soles of your feet against a wall for support.
Bend your right elbow and gently rest the right side of your head in your palm. Allow your arm to stretch away from your torso to increase the stretch of your right armpit.
Work toward balancing your body in one straight line, from head to feet. Keep the outside of your right foot pressing into the floor.
Rotate your left leg so your toes point up toward the ceiling. Then bend your left knee and draw it in toward your torso. Reach your left hand along the inside of your left thigh, and then clasp your left foot’s big toe with the first two fingers and thumb. Exhaling, extend your left leg up toward the ceiling, reaching through your heel.
Fix your gaze on an unmoving object in front of you. Continue to breathe smoothly.
Extend the pose actively through both heels. Maintain your balance as much as possible without rolling forward or backward.
Hold for up to one minute. To release, draw your knee back into your chest, release your toe, and extend your left leg. Roll over to your left side and repeat the pose on the opposite side for the same length of time.
Modifications & Variations
Anantasana will tone your belly and stretch your body, while also challenging your ability to balance. Make the following modifications to find a variation of the pose that works for you:
If it is difficult for you to straighten your top leg, use a strap. Loop a yoga strap around the ball of your top foot and grasp the ends of the strap in your free hand. Keep your grip soft, but not loose.
For extra help when coming into the pose, pause after the Step 3 of the Instructions. Then bend your left knee and bring the sole of your left foot to rest on your right thigh. Balance there for a few moments until you feel stable. When you are comfortable with your foot on your thigh, deepen the pose by holding onto your toe and extending your leg up.
For extra support, press the soles of your feet into a wall. Continue pressing your bottom foot into it as you complete the pose.
For even more support, practice with a bolster or block secured between your back and a wall.
If it is very difficult or painful for you to rest your head in your hand, come onto your right forearm, instead. Align your elbow under your shoulder, spread your fingers, and press down through your fingers. Your ribs will lift off the mat, raising your torso slightly. Point your fingers forward in the direction in which you are looking. Do not collapse into your shoulder; keep your right shoulder relaxed and your neck long.
Tips
Anantasana can benefit all yoga practitioners, no matter what their level. Keep the following information in mind when practicing this pose:
Think of your pelvis as the anchor of this pose. The more stable your pelvis is, the easier it will be to hold the balance.
Keep a straight line through your spine, from head to toe.
Although regular practice of Anantasana will improve your overall flexibility, tight hamstrings, hips, or torso muscles can make it difficult to balance. Add side-stretching poses into your practice to help with balancing. A few good ones to try are Reclining Big Toe Pose (Supta Padangusthasana), Gate Pose (Parighasana), and Triangle Pose (Utthita Trikonasana).
Sleep for Balance
Practicing Sleeping Vishnu Pose can add a fun twist to your practice. Balancing and stretching will help create a calm, clear, and focused mindset that you can take with you into your everyday life. Regularly practicing this pose can be a simple way to help your body, mind, and spirit stay balanced.

Wait…You said it wasn’t so!
 
A dozen people all saying the moon is made of green cheese with one voice doesn’t make it any truer. None of your fellow claimants seem to have any better evidence for the claim than you do.

I found this on a mainstream yoga website:

According to an ancient Hindu legend that speaks about the beginning of the universe, Vishnu slept while a lotus flower blossomed from his navel. From that lotus flower was born Brahma, the Hindu god of creation. The raised leg in Anantasana mimics the Brahma-bearing lotus stalk that rose from Vishnu’s navel!
 
Virabhadra = the name of a fierce warrior, an incarnationof Shiva, described as having a thousand heads, a thousand eyes, and a thousand feet, wielding a thousand clubs, and wearing a tiger’s skin.

Is this the guy? Found it on a yoga website aling with the pose. What’s Christian about incarnation?
Well how about that! I found:

According to Hindu mythology, Virabhadra or Veerabhadra was a super being created by the wrath of Rudra (Shiva), when he stepped in to destroy the Yagna (fire sacrifice) of Daksha, after his daughter Dakshayani (Sati) - consort of Shiva, self-immolated in yagna fire.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virabhadra

Mythology. Do you believe in mythology?

Can you find one for Trikonasana?
 
Guess what? You can argue that ALL false gods are part of mythology. Does it mean that they’re not worshipped?

Good attempt at backtracking though:)
 
Something tells me that you knew about this all along…but yes,I’ll look that one up too.
 
No, more like a version of virabhandrasana (Warrior pose)
Or in wu su (secular Chinese military arts) a pu bu stance with a double snake strike…oh, wait, that can’t be, because that would mean that that these poses aren’t specific to Hinduism, or religion in general. 🙂
 
Guess what? You can argue that ALL false gods are part of mythology. Does it mean that they’re not worshipped?

Good attempt at backtracking though:)
Worshipped? Sure. Just like those pagan Pontifex Maximuses worshipped the Roman gods.

By me stretching and breathing? Of course not, no more than our current Pontiff worships the ancient Roman gods by assuming the title of their high priest, or by using Latin as was used in their worship, or burning incense as they did in their worship.
 
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