Is yoga demonic or no?

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JimR-OCDS said:
Except sitting around discussing various views in an open and respectful way, wouldn’t end up with people telling you that your practice is demonic and pagan.

Jim
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Probably true, this.

But I think if you are saying, “There is no point to discussing on the CAFs because no one changes her mind” then I think it’s unwarranted. If someone converts to my side, it’s always a bonus. If not, well, the seed has been planted. 🤷
 
PRmerger said:
Probably true, this.

But I think if you are saying, “There is no point to discussing on the CAFs because no one changes her mind” then I think it’s unwarranted. If someone converts to my side, it’s always a bonus. If not, well, the seed has been planted. 🤷
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It’s not being discussed by argued over and for over 600 post with another newly created thread on the subject.

I have not see anyone in these debates claim that they changed their minds one way or another.

Instead, both sides dig in their heels and fight to the hilt allowed by forum rules.

Anyway, I won’t argue further, I was just making the point.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
It’s not being discussed by argued over and for over 600 post with another newly created thread on the subject.

I have not see anyone in these debates claim that they changed their minds one way or another.

Instead, both sides dig in their heels and fight to the hilt allowed by forum rules.

Anyway, I won’t argue further, I was just making the point.

Jim
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Fair enough.

But some people (like moi) join later. And that prolongs the thread as well. Fresh meat! New arguments!
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Again, the spiritual warfare camp shows its ignorance of how popular imagination works. Their logic would mean they call games like this demonic… oh wait, they have. Go figure. :rolleyes:
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Not about that game, but the alternatives to some are debatably worse.

(TinyURL used to mask the identities of the games. Otherwise the names would have been in the URLs because of Wikipedia)

Which sounds worse? A game where to use magic you merely say “I cast [insert spell here]” or a game where you recite Bible verses to create “miracles” (MAGICAL effects).
JimR-OCDS said:
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Or in temporal terms, about a month younger than my account.
 
Razanir said:
Not about that game, but the alternatives to some are debatably worse.

(TinyURL used to mask the identities of the games. Otherwise the names would have been in the URLs because of Wikipedia)

Which sounds worse? A game where to use magic you merely say “I cast [insert spell here]” or a game where you recite Bible verses to create “miracles” (MAGICAL effects).
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Worse in what ways? Is it the fact that one is an arguably more popular brand and thus, attracts more venom? 😉

Honestly though, what is it with some religious people and being derivative? (Made a recent thread on that lately by the way. :p)
 
JimR-OCDS said:
This thread is 692 replies long.

Has anyone changed their position about Yoga since the OP?

I doubt it.

It’s why I’ve given up with debates like this in this forum. It serves no one.

For those like myself who practice Yoga occasionally,… who would I be trying to convince in this forum that there is nothing wrong with doing the exercise? In fact, why should I even bother?

Many people in this forum don’t want to hear about Yoga, Centering Prayer, or anything they deem as being outside of their beliefs about the Catholic Church, whether it is true or not. So why bother? 🤷

One thing is true, such debates are not conducive toward spiritual growth, and can even be a hindrance.

Jim
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  1. It is still a good exercise in attempting to communicate with love and patience even when we do not agree.
  2. It is a subject that still needs much clarification. I think we are just talking past each other. NO ONE is advocating worship of Hindu Gods nor embracing “New Age” view of self, God, and the universe. It seems that we are talking about two different yogas. When does an innocent series of stretches become yoga? Only one person has answered.
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Worse in what ways? Is it the fact that one is an arguably more popular brand and thus, attracts more venom? 😉

Honestly though, what is it with some religious people and being derivative? (Made a recent thread on that lately by the way. :p)
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My point is that if they’re complaining about D&D ALLEGEDLY teaching kids magic words. (I play D&D; it doesn’t), don’t use Scripture as an alternative. If you’re so worried about kids being impressionable, don’t give them the idea that they can debuff (weaken) enemies by quoting the Bible at them, and especially don’t give them the idea that they can physically damage them by quoting the Bible
 
maxdouglas402 said:
I was informed that there is no teaching in the church against yoga.

I discovered that even if the Hindu’s claim that yoga is offered up to their gods, there really is only one God, The Holy Trinity.

I started a yoga class last night at myyogaonline.com and the teacher kept speaking of the body healing itself, and finding that inner divine. I completely ignored her teachings but I followed the movements and physical aspects of what she was teaching.

I strangely woke up in the middle of the night last night and was wide awake.

Im wondering if yoga affects the mind more than it affects the spirit, or vice versa, or neither. They speak of teaching the body how to fix itself. Somewhat like a neural reboot. I felt this might have affected my spiritual life. Or maybe I was just being paranoid.

Again, I completely ignore the philosophies of yoga. I merely focus on what they tell me to do physically. But sometimes when Im in a relaxed laying down position it seems like they start bombarding me with their philosophies. In a calm voice they say, “let that inner divine come out.” Or something along those lines.

I have experienced some troubles in the past with evil spirits so I was definitely worried when I entered into it. But I woke up this morning and felt this great soreness on my muscles that I was looking for. I have a lot of injuries from football and yoga seems like it can really help.

Any advice? (sorry for such a long post)
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Yoga will open your chakras and activate your pineal gland. Be careful because this is when your true connection with God will happen and your life will become joyous. It might be too much for you to handle, to live the life that you’re supposed to instead of being blinded by fearful Catholic teachings.
Enjoy your life and do God’s TRUE work! Go yoga!
 
kdwalla7 said:
Yoga will open your chakras and activate your pineal gland. Be careful because this is when your true connection with God will happen and your life will become joyous. It might be too much for you to handle, to live the life that you’re supposed to instead of being blinded by fearful Catholic teachings.
Enjoy your life and do God’s TRUE work! Go yoga!
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How do you view the Eucharist, dkwalla? Do you not see it as “your true connection with God”?
 
godisgood77 said:
HA! I thought you were serious until I saw this…
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Holding hands while reciting the Our Father during Mass to be precise.

patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2011/11/bishops-decree-stop-holding-hands/

Hot on the heels of the new Roman Missal translation, the Bishop of Covington, Roger J. Foys, has issued a decree clarifying the proper gestures and postures for Mass, according to rubrics laid out in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal.

As he notes:
Code: 
The rituals of the Roman Church, of which we are a part, call for specific words to be used as well as particular actions and gestures, both on the part of the priest and the faithful who join their hearts with his in their worship of God. We are encouraged as the Mystical Body of Christ to continual, ongoing conversion in the faith and to strengthen that which is good and holy in our individual lives as well as our common life as Catholics and to root out that which is evil.
Among the points his decree makes:
Code: 
Special note should also be made concerning the gesture for the Our Father. Only the priest is given the instruction to “extend” his hands. Neither the deacon nor the lay faithful are instructed to do this. No gesture is prescribed for the lay faithful in the Roman Missal; nor the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, therefore the extending or holding of hands by the faithful should not be performed.
And he notes:
Code: 
The text of the Roman Missal be used exactly as it is written. As stated in the citation from the Second Vatican Council none of us has the authority to change the text for any reason.

a. This includes altering or changing any of the language contained in the liturgical books of the Church, not only the Roman Missal, but the Lectionary and other ritual books – the responses and prayers of the priest, and also those of the people.

b. Please note that only those texts approved for use in the Dioceses of the United States may be used.

c. Priests and deacons are restricted in their use of the Penitential Act – Form C, to those invocations found in the Order of Mass of the Roman Missal and those in Appendix VI.
 
The wisest course would seem to be this: If members of the congregation decide to hold hands during the Our Father, they should be permitted to, but the priest should not suggest it.
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catholicphilly.com/2012/11/think-tank/catholic-spirituality/on-holding-hands-during-the-our-father/

My little parish consisting of 400 families, have been holding hands during the Lord’s Prayer long before I joined it in 1985. The priest doesn’t ask people to hold hands, they just do it.

If some one extends their hand to me, I will not refuse them.

BTW, my wife and myself hold hands during the Lord’s Prayer, regardless of where we attend Mass.

This probably bother’s some people, but that’s too bad.

Jim
 
BluesPicker said:
Holding hands while reciting the Our Father during Mass to be precise.

patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2011/11/bishops-decree-stop-holding-hands/

Hot on the heels of the new Roman Missal translation, the Bishop of Covington, Roger J. Foys, has issued a decree clarifying the proper gestures and postures for Mass, according to rubrics laid out in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal.

As he notes:
Code: 
The rituals of the Roman Church, of which we are a part, call for specific words to be used as well as particular actions and gestures, both on the part of the priest and the faithful who join their hearts with his in their worship of God. We are encouraged as the Mystical Body of Christ to continual, ongoing conversion in the faith and to strengthen that which is good and holy in our individual lives as well as our common life as Catholics and to root out that which is evil.
Among the points his decree makes:
Code: 
Special note should also be made concerning the gesture for the Our Father. Only the priest is given the instruction to “extend” his hands. Neither the deacon nor the lay faithful are instructed to do this. No gesture is prescribed for the lay faithful in the Roman Missal; nor the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, therefore the extending or holding of hands by the faithful should not be performed.
And he notes:
Code: 
The text of the Roman Missal be used exactly as it is written. As stated in the citation from the Second Vatican Council none of us has the authority to change the text for any reason.

a. This includes altering or changing any of the language contained in the liturgical books of the Church, not only the Roman Missal, but the Lectionary and other ritual books – the responses and prayers of the priest, and also those of the people.

b. Please note that only those texts approved for use in the Dioceses of the United States may be used.

c. Priests and deacons are restricted in their use of the Penitential Act – Form C, to those invocations found in the Order of Mass of the Roman Missal and those in Appendix VI.
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What about 1Tim2:8 “I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.”?

You said " No gesture is prescribed for the lay faithful in the Roman Missal; nor the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, therefore the extending or holding of hands by the faithful should not be performed."

Does having no prescribed gesture mean that extending (or, “lifting up” as Scripture says…) hand is forbidden???
 
The best answer to this I heard from a priest on a Catholic radio station. Its OK if you separate it from Hinduism. He said, “Does eating a Kosher sandwich in a Kosher deli make one Jewish? No, we take the food but leave the religion. Do the same with yoga. Take the exercise but leave the religion.” He also said that if someone was worried they should talk to their confessor. Especially if they are prone to occult beliefs our are overly curious about them.
 
As we bring ourselves to a greater consciousness, positive life affirming beliefs are accepted and negative thoughts and problems disappear as we express more love, peace, joy, wisdom and harmony with everything that flows unceasingly from God, but many hesitate to venture into the unknown. They tend to cling to the familiar in life, even if they are not happy. If yoga helps one to be a better person and even a better Catholic enjoy it, but if one is afraid of it don’t do it, but don’t make it evil for those that find it helpful.
 
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