Islam 101 For Christians

[Booklover]

cont. What is Islam?

Treatment: Islam will dictate even treatment privilege of general citizens. Male doctor will not be allowed to treat any female patient and similarly no female doctor will see male patients. Many of the modern treatments (surgical procedures etc) will be prohibited for women and men.

Business or Industrial development: Islamic state will decide what business is legal or what production is illegal. For example productions like: Alcohol, musical instruments, music recording, sports goods etc will be strictly prohibited. Violators will be beaten severely by Islamic methods.

Sports and leisure: All sports like foot-ball, cricket, bally-ball, basket-ball etc. will be prohibited. Islam does not condone any types of sports and sport of any type is considered the game of Satan. Praying five times a day is their main sports.

Banking or economic programs: Modern economic systems of banking or monetary business like stocks, bears and bulls market, mutual funds and bonds etc. will be prohibited. Islamic Banking without interest payment will run the country’s economic transactions.

Drama/theater/Cinema: All forms of drama, theaters and cinema are deadly illegal in Islam; hence will be strictly prohibited by Islamic shariaah. Islamic police for virtue (Muttawalli) will roam the country to stop these vices of Satan and will punish severely with Islamic beatings if anybody violates the code of Islamic virtue.

Tourism/recreations: Tourist’s attractions will be almost nil and only thing will be allowed is to pilgrimage some holy places by the devout Muslims. Recreations like sun-bathing in the sea-beaches will be strictly prohibited. Violators will be beaten like dogs and cats.

Food and drinks: Muslims will follow very strict Islamic food codes. Unlike other religious groups, Muslims can not eat western most hygienically produced meat products. Muslims need to eat so called un-hygienically produced halal meat from Islamically slaughtered animals. Alcoholic drinks of all types will be strictly prohibited.

Music: Under the Islamic Shariaah laws—music is considered weapons of Satan (Devil); hence music of all kinds are strictly prohibited. Only vocal music of religious nature (commonly known as Gazzal) is allowed. All instrumental music, i.e. all musical instruments is strictly prohibited. Violators are punished or imprisoned.

Cont.

 

[inJESUS]

Fr. John Vidmar has this to say of Islam,

“The outstanding doctrinal belief of Islam is that there is only one God. this was held in direct opposition to the prevailing Arabian orthodoxy of the time, which maintained a panoply of ineffective gods–much like Rome’s collection of deities. Muhammed’s belief came in conflict with Meccan shrines (said to number 360) and their accompanying businesses. But this belief also conflicted with Christian orthodoxy, which held for one God, but with the nuance that this was to include Jesus Christ as God. Muhammed did not accept this. For him, Jesus Christ could not be God, simply because God was one and the recognition of Jesus as God implied a dual Godhead. Thus Muhammed allied himself with the Arians, who contended that Christ’s humanity, even though it was a superior type of humanity, was irreconcilable with any claim to divinity. This similarity between Islam and Arianism is not surprising when one realizes that Arianism flourished on the fringes of the Roman Empire–from northern Europe to Arabia, far from the center of power in Rome. Nor is it surprising that the early church regarded Islam as it regarded Arianism–as a Christian heresy–and gave it the name of its founder, “Muhammadism.””

(The Catholic Church Through the Ages: A History, 2005)

:yup:

 

[Booklover]

Cont. What is Islam?

Arts and sculptures: Islam does not allow drawings or sculpturing of any living beings (such as humans, animals and birds) and only thing will be allowed is drawings of plants and vines, because Islamic Allah thought plants and vines are not living objects! Therefore, arts and sculpturing of any living objects will be prohibited.

Punishments for the crime: Punishments for the crimes (like stealing, adultery, killings etc.) will be cutting/chopping hands, feet and even chopping heads, or stoning death and lashings one hundred and one times. Today’s Islamic paradises like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Sudan and many other Arab nations randomly practice these above mentioned punishments according to Allah’s laws (Islamic Shariaat or hudud laws).

Sexual life: Islamic shariaah laws will also control people’s sexual life and marriage life. Shariaat will dictate when, what and how to do sexual acts and birth control will be strictly prohibited. Love acts of all types will be strictly prohibited at the outside of the private home.

Family life: Even the family lives in the Islamic country are controlled by Shariaah laws. Family planning such as birth-control will be thing of the past. Islam decides how to distribute family wealth, how to divorce or not to divorce, who is the leader of the family etc.

[The above mentioned Islamic scenarios could be found 100% in the erstwhile Talibani Afghanistan and can be found 90% now in the present day Islamic paradises like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and 60% in Nigeria, Sudan and Pakistan.]

In brief, according to the true Islamic state as per the puritanical Islam preached by the Prophet of Islam, humans have been created only to worship Allah and to praise and sing about Allah and His prophet. Every Muslim is enslaved (submission) by the Islam and Allah. Human race is nothing but the slaves of Allah! In this mortal earth Islam will control almost everything a Muslim will do or will not do. That is lives of all citizens of an Islamic state will be controlled by Islamic shariaah laws 100%. Because, Islam is a super totalitarian divine system which controls human’s life with iron-fist. Therefore, Islam is the strictest form of fascism on earth and can not be compared with any other type of known fascism.

cont.

 

[inJESUS]

Booklover, Wafa Sultan the former Muslima said basically what you said in your last posts

 

[Booklover]

Cont. What is Islam?

On the other hand, a true fascist state or fascism (like Hitlerism, Italian fascism or even communism) may only control political, economical or rarely some religious events. The known fascism will never control or dictate people’s freedom to lead their lives just the way an Islamic state will control which I have described above.

Therefore, it’s an obvious fact and reality that Islamic fascism is hundred fold dangerous and brutal than the conventional fascism like Nazi’s or Italian fascism that is known to the world today. It can be safely concluded that naming Islamic terrorists as “Islamo-fascist” by the American President George Bush was no mistake at all. World must recognize that Islam is not just a religion (like Christianity, Judaism or Hinduism etc) rather Islam is a super fascist Arab imperialistic agenda inside the garb of religion, which is about to engulf entire civilized world through the terrorist’s campaign by the al-Qaeda Islamists. Western world must better be serious about it!!!

news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=709

Wake up, America!

 

[Booklover]

Booklover, Wafa Sultan the former Muslima said basically what you said in your last posts

I know. She’s one brave lady! This article compares fascism with Islamo-fascism and explains why the second is much worse than the first!

Vickie

 

[Epistemes]

Is it

What is Islam?

or

What are Muslims?

 

[inJESUS]

Fr. John Vidmar has this to say of Islam,

“The outstanding doctrinal belief of Islam is that there is only one God. this was held in direct opposition to the prevailing Arabian orthodoxy of the time, which maintained a panoply of ineffective gods–much like Rome’s collection of deities. Muhammed’s belief came in conflict with Meccan shrines (said to number 360) and their accompanying businesses. But this belief also conflicted with Christian orthodoxy, which held for one God, but with the nuance that this was to include Jesus Christ as God. Muhammed did not accept this. For him, Jesus Christ could not be God, simply because God was one and the recognition of Jesus as God implied a dual Godhead. Thus Muhammed allied himself with the Arians, who contended that Christ’s humanity, even though it was a superior type of humanity, was irreconcilable with any claim to divinity. This similarity between Islam and Arianism is not surprising when one realizes that Arianism flourished on the fringes of the Roman Empire–from northern Europe to Arabia, far from the center of power in Rome. Nor is it surprising that the early church regarded Islam as it regarded Arianism–as a Christian heresy–and gave it the name of its founder, “Muhammadism.””

(The Catholic Church Through the Ages: A History, 2005)

btw, St. John of Damascus (A.D. 749), said that Islam was at its root not a new religion, but a variation on a Judeo-Christian form. St. John wrote the first Christian critique of Islam in his work entitled, The Fount of Knowledge. He closely related Islam to the heterodox Christian doctrine of Arianism.

 

[Valke2]

In Hebreww you call him Adonai and the Arab jews call him in Arabic Allah. Ask any Yemenite jew

True. And Rambam referred to God as Allah several times, when he wrote in arabic…

I dont have to ask any Rabbis because any Rabbi would be considered a lunatic in Judaism if he call Jesus his God . Hec Jesus himself was accused of heresy because he said he was the son of God , here is the proof of ancient Judaism from YOUR OWN bible !!!

It is bizarre to claim Jews worship the trinity. You’re right about the church thing.

 

[bella5110]

Right now on Fox news I am watching a horrible documentary about Islam and it is disgusting. All suicide bombers and they are all shouting “Death to America”, then they wonder why we feel the way we do…come on. Like I said, people forget 911.
There is a Muslim on saying “We must kill for the sake of Allah”, there are little kids yelling “I am on my way toward death”, Also stating that it is a command from Allah to kill all Jews.
Now he’s saying throats must be slashed, skulls broken. I need to change this program. It doesn’t bother me b/c these are scare tactics. These are reasons why I have nothing good to say about Islam. (They really shouldn’t be showing these programs anyway).

 

[murtad]

murtad:

That’s inaccurate. Christians have never said God was a Jew, as in the Scriptures, He says “In God, there is no Jew and Greek”

You dont have to say it. Jesus was a jew and he is your God. Therefore your God is a Jew.

I do not follow you when you say “You dont have to say it”. Your method of conclusion and your analogy are both wrong. Just because Jesus was born a Jew, yes, that does not make God Jewish. The Trinity is eternal and even before our Lady, ever-virgin Mary was born, the Son already existed. In the Old Testament, it is written somewhere Abraham was blessed by three persons who met him.

murtad:

This is an absolute untruth. The Jews of the Arab world worship in Hebrew rites since they consider Arabic a pagan language. All Jews, whether Ashkenazim, Sephardim or Mizrahim worship Adonay, god of the Hebrews and NOT

Allah, god of the Arabs.

In Hebreww you call him Adonai and the Arab jews call him in Arabic Allah. Ask any Yemenite jew .

Which Yemenite Jew you asked? He must be an unobservant Jew as every Jewish person, regardless Arab or Yemenite or Sephardic or Ashkenazic pray in Hebrew towards and NOT Arabic. This is for the sake of uniformity and no different from all Muslims praying in Arabic.

My good friend is an Yemenite Jewish Rabbi and he told me that all observant Orthodox Jews, regardless Arab or not worship in the Hebrew language. This Rabbi told me that it is the worst heresy to pray in Arabic for its idolatry! He told me that even the Malay Muslims do not worship in Bahasa Melayu but in Arabic language. Can you tell me, meedo, why Malays in Malaysia pray in Arabic?

murtad:

That’s false. You show us that you know nothing of ancient Judaism. The Christian God is the Jewish God, who is Trinity. Its plain and simple. Jews worship Trinity too - just ask Rabbi Moshe Roisen.

I dont have to ask any Rabbis because any Rabbi would be considered a lunatic in Judaism if he call Jesus his God . Hec Jesus himself was accused of heresy because he said he was the son of God , here is the proof of ancient Judaism from YOUR OWN bible !!!

If you do not want to ask any Rabbi, why are you telling me to ask an Yemenite Jew? You obviously are dodging when you know the obvious - both Jews and Muslims are nationalist faiths; the former worships in Hebrew, while the latter worships in Arabic.

No Muslim can be an observant Muslim if he/she prays in Bahasa Melayu or English. In the same way, no Jew can be an observant Jew if he/she prays in Arabic or English or Greek or Latin.

What has Jesus being accused of heresy of calling himself “the Son of God” have got to do with this? The Jews who said that were as wrong as you, Muslims who deny Jesus is the Son of God. In ancient Judaism, there were many sects, such as Saducees, Pharisees, Zealots, Essenes and Nazerenes (Christians) to name a few. Each sect considered other sects lunatics.

Just go to an Orthodox Jew and tell him that you worship Jesus and the Holy Ghost and the father three persons in one God and see if this is the God he worships. Stop fooling yourselves !!! Many Orthodox Jews wouldnt even set foot in Churches because all of those pictures of Mary and Jesus.

I’ve spoken to an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi about this and he told me that eventhough he is an ethnic Arab, he worships God in the Hebrew language and NOT in the Arabic language. He compared to Judaism to Islam and said “Both are nationalist faiths, we Jews worship in Hebrew, while they Muslims worship in Arabic. We desire for a Pan-Hebrew world, while they desire for a Pan-Arab world”. No wonder, Prophet Muhammad hated the Arab Jews and ordered a genocide against them as they were not interested in Arabism (Arab nationalism).

Please do not use words like “Many Orthodox Jews” when you do not even speak authoratively for the Jewish community. If you want us to believe you, give us a reference to valid sources in the form of a web site link. Then, I for one may believe you.

Also, Orthodox Jews do not mind entering churches any more than Sunni Muslims do. The Prime Minister of Malaysia, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi is a devout Muslim and last Christmas, he entered a Catholic cathedral that had images of Jesus our Lord. The Bishop told us that the Prime Minister kissed that icon and prayed to it.

Link

 

[Valke2]

I do not follow you when you say “You dont have to say it”. Your method of conclusion and your analogy are both wrong. Just because Jesus was born a Jew, yes, that does not make God Jewish. The Trinity is eternal and even before our Lady, ever-virgin Mary was born, the Son already existed. In the Old Testament, it is written somewhere Abraham was blessed by three persons who met him.

Which Yemenite Jew you asked? He must be an unobservant Jew as every Jewish person, regardless Arab or Yemenite or Sephardic or Ashkenazic pray in Hebrew towards and NOT Arabic. This is for the sake of uniformity and no different from all Muslims praying in Arabic.

My good friend is an Yemenite Jewish Rabbi and he told me that all observant Orthodox Jews, regardless Arab or not worship in the Hebrew language. This Rabbi told me that it is the worst heresy to pray in Arabic for its idolatry! He told me that even the Malay Muslims do not worship in Bahasa Melayu but in Arabic language. Can you tell me, meedo, why Malays in Malaysia pray in Arabic?

If you do not want to ask any Rabbi, why are you telling me to ask an Yemenite Jew? You obviously are dodging when you know the obvious - both Jews and Muslims are nationalist faiths; the former worships in Hebrew, while the latter worships in Arabic.

No Muslim can be an observant Muslim if he/she prays in Bahasa Melayu or English. In the same way, no Jew can be an observant Jew if he/she prays in Arabic or English or Greek or Latin.

What has Jesus being accused of heresy of calling himself “the Son of God” have got to do with this? The Jews who said that were as wrong as you, Muslims who deny Jesus is the Son of God. In ancient Judaism, there were many sects, such as Saducees, Pharisees, Zealots, Essenes and Nazerenes (Christians) to name a few. Each sect considered other sects lunatics.

I’ve spoken to an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi about this and he told me that eventhough he is an ethnic Arab, he worships God in the Hebrew language and NOT in the Arabic language. He compared to Judaism to Islam and said “Both are nationalist faiths, we Jews worship in Hebrew, while they Muslims worship in Arabic. We desire for a Pan-Hebrew world, while they desire for a Pan-Arab world”. No wonder, Prophet Muhammad hated the Arab Jews and ordered a genocide against them as they were not interested in Arabism (Arab nationalism).

Please do not use words like “Many Orthodox Jews” when you do not even speak authoratively for the Jewish community. If you want us to believe you, give us a reference to valid sources in the form of a web site link. Then, I for one may believe you.

Also, Orthodox Jews do not mind entering churches any more than Sunni Muslims do. The Prime Minister of Malaysia, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi is a devout Muslim and last Christmas, he entered a Catholic cathedral that had images of Jesus our Lord. The Bishop told us that the Prime Minister kissed that icon and prayed to it.

It is forbidden for a Jew to enter a church where there are depictictions of Jesus or Mary etc. It may be permissible to enter a “common room” of a church, where there is no such display.

 

[bella5110]

Murtad, just curious, how did you find your faith?

 

[bella5110]

Valke,

Why is it that Jesus is such an enemy of yours?? You say it is forbidden for you to walk into a church. I don’t have a problem walking into a temple where there are pictures of who knows what?
I’m still trying to figure out why it took your ancestors 40 years to get to the promised land. I know they kept breaking the covenant, but geez…

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

I find the explanation that the Arab Christians worship an entity called Allah to be specious. It does not matter what the Arab Christians call their god since the word was contrived by man and not by God himself. Jesus Christ did not use the word Allah when he sent down his message. It was some Arab translators who took it upon themselves to name this god Allah (probably for want of another word since El-ilah means the god, while Allah means God in Arabic - sure Allah was derived from el-Ilah but due to common usage it has come to mean ‘God’).

Thus, the fact that Arab Christians use the word ‘Allah’ to denote the God of Abraham and Jesus Christ is neither here nor there.

Rodrigo

 

[murtad]

And Rambam referred to God as Allah several times, when he wrote in arabic…

Referencing God as Allah is VERY DIFFERENT thing from worshipping in Allah in the Arabic language. The Rambam (a.k.a. Maimonedes) may have written commentaries in the Arabic language but this is mainly for the sake of not profaning the divine language and the divine name, Adonay. To an Orthodox Jew, the Hebrew language is a VERY VERY HOLY TONGUE and can only be used for worship and worship alone. This is no different from the way Sunni Muslims treat the Arabic language.

Orthodox Jews speak various languages, including Russian, Arabic, Kurdish and English, however every Jew when performing an act of worship, prays in the Hebrew language to Adonay, the God of Israel. Again, this is no different from Sunni Muslims who speak various languages, including English and Bahasa Melayu, but when they perform an act of worship, they pray in the Arabic language to Allah, the Arabic idol.

It is bizarre to claim Jews worship the trinity. You’re right about the church thing.

Jews do worship Trinity - take for instance, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert who worships at a Messianic synagogue. Mr Olmert has always believed Allah is not God but an idol and his Holy army, IDF fought the Arabs in a recent Lebanon war and we saw how Adonay triumphed over Allah.

 

[Valke2]

Referencing God as Allah is VERY DIFFERENT thing from worshipping in Allah in the Arabic language. The Rambam (a.k.a. Maimonedes) may have written commentaries in the Arabic language but this is mainly for the sake of not profaning the divine language and the divine name, Adonay. To an Orthodox Jew, the Hebrew language is a VERY VERY HOLY TONGUE and can only be used for worship and worship alone. This is no different from the way Sunni Muslims treat the Arabic language.

No. That is not the reason. He wrote the commentaries in Arabic because that was a langague that he was comfortable in writing in. It was not a question of profaning the divine language. How could commentaries on Tanach profane Hebrew? He also wrote commentaries in Hebrew. Orthodox Jews speak and write in Hebrew all the time. You are completely off base here. The word “Allah” if I am not mistaken, also appears in our Talmud, THere is nothing inherently “wrong” in the word. I recall reading that its root was in “El” which is also the same root of the Hebrew name, “Elohim”. Wikipedia acknowledges that hte word “Allah” is used by Christians and Jews in some regions of the world:.

“Most Arabic-speaking Muslims, Middle-Eastern Christians and Arabic-speaking Jewish Communities (including the Yemenite Jews, several Mizraḥi communities and some Sephardim) use “Allāh” as the proper noun for “God”. Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilah, “the God.” The name’s origin can be traced back to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was Il or El, the latter being an Old Testament synonym for Yahweh. Allah is the standard Arabic word for “God” and is used by Arab Christians as well [1]. Allāh is found in the Qur’an and in Arabic translations of both the Tanakh and the Gospels and even in the Indonesian translations of the Bible. Christians believe that Allāh is ath-Thalouth al-Muqaddas - The Holy Trinity, thus whole Allāh is consisted from Abu-Father, Bin-Son, and Ruh-Spirit.”

It is true that most jews believe prayer should be in Hebrew. It is also true that many jews do not speak Hebrew (unfortunately) and that they pray in their native tongue.

Jews do worship Trinity - take for instance, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert who worships at a Messianic synagogue. Mr Olmert has always believed Allah is not God but an idol and his Holy army, IDF fought the Arabs in a recent Lebanon war and we saw how Adonay triumphed over Allah.

That’s just nonsense and has nothing to do with anything. If you are going to post stuff like that, at least provide a link or reference.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

I have a dog named Bert. My neighbor’s father’s sister’s cousin is also named Bert. Halleluyah - my dog Bert is my neighbor’s father’s sister’s cousin.

The problem is that there is no other word in Arabic that can be used for ‘the deity’ since the root of el, elohim, ilah is the same. You have basically a choice of ONE, so why are we surprised at the 100% exact coincidence?

This is what I don’t get? Is it supposed to be some sort of miracle that the semitic languages all have similar words for ‘the deity’?

 

[Valke2]

I have a dog named Bert. My neighbor’s father’s sister’s cousin is also named Bert. Halleluyah - my dog Bert is my neighbor’s father’s sister’s cousin.

The problem is that there is no other word in Arabic that can be used for ‘the deity’ since the root of el, elohim, ilah is the same. You have basically a choice of ONE, so why are we surprised at the 100% exact coincidence?

This is what I don’t get? Is it supposed to be some sort of miracle that the semitic languages all have similar words for ‘the deity’?

No. The miracle is that so many people are so offended at the idea that the word “allah” is used by people who are not muslim. I agree that it is only a word. Why spend so much time arguing that we don’t use it?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

I disagree with many friends on this issue. I do have a problem with Christians and Jews agreeing with the Muslims that they all worship the same God for reasons I have already stated.

I also disagree with anyone making a big deal about the Arab Christians and Jews using the word Allah as if this proves that the Christian and Jewish God is the same as the Muslim Allah.

Like I said, it should surprise nobody that all the semitic peoples should use the same/similar word for ‘The God’. This proves nothing since the characteristics of the Gods in question are totally different.

If there is only one appropriate word for ‘The God’ in Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, and other semitic languages, why should anyone use this word to prove the Muslim Allah is the same as the Christian Jehoveh and the Jewish Yahweh?

That is my point.