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Pagan tradition held it was pure white when it fell from the sky and it absorbs the sin of those who kiss it making it pure black. Maybe a muslim here will confirm or deny if that is still the belief.
Well it weren’t around before Paul spoke these words, and since Mohammed claimed to see an Angel, then they conflict with Saint Paul’s words, I do believe Mohamed saw the angel of light, the devil himself.Hello everyone. I have heard claims that Islam is basically a mixture between the Pagan religion of the Arabs and Christianity. Is this true? Someone told me that Muhammad was a worshiper of the moon god and that he basically made this moon god into the sole deity of his new religion, Islam. I don’t know whether to believe this or not. ** What do the ancient Christians of the time say about Islam?**
Allah was not associated with Abraham pre-mohamed.
Revisionist history is not new.
It was not unwarranted accusations Jesus prevented the men from throwing at the woman in the NT. Muslims are free to respond in their own defense.
Your statement indicates you accept God spoke to Muhamed in reality even if Muslims/Mohamed misunderstand God. Do you believe that?
What a bizarre position for a Christian pastor to take. Not withstanding your departure from the Catholic Church, Christianity as a whole accepts the prophetic age ended with Christ.
Yes that is what we believe. this moon god thing is a polemic invention.
Give an Islamic website or reference that shows the name allah was associated with Abraham and the God that spoke with him.
St. John of Damascus called Islam : the heresy of the Ishmaelites.. What do the ancient Christians of the time say about Islam?
What I do and do not believe with regard to Islam, Mohammed, et. al. is really irrelevant. The question about the rooting of Islam is not about whether I think that Muhammad really received a angelic message from God, created it out of who cloth, or pieced together bits and pieces of Jewish and Christian theology that he heard in travelling about to create something that is only tangentially connected to either. The question is whether or not Islam is rooted in paganism, and it seems to be no more rooted in paganism than (to use the comparison that you did) Mormonism is rooted in American Indian religions. Doesn’t mean that there was no contact there, just like Christianity had contact with Mythraism and Judaism with Baalism. But having contact with a religion, and even being influence as both Christianity and Judaism were, does not mean that that is where its roots are. So too, Islam’s roots are not in paganism. If you don’t understand that, then either you don’t understand Isalm, or you simply don’t understand the meaning of the word “roots”.
You are using etymology in an in appropriate way. Late me illustrate this by referring to a Turkish bible. My Turkish bible, one sold by the International Bible Society for Christians to spread the faith to Turkish speakers, uses the word Tanri to refer to the God of the Old and New Testaments. In the beginning, Tanri created the heavens and the earth. And Tanri so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son… Yet, the word Tanri in Turkish comes from another relgiion, not either Judaism nor Christianity.
No, I am not using it at all. G-d has no name but we know him as Father through Christ. There is only One God, one Truth, one Word and it cannot contradict itself to be True.
Just because the guy on the corner says it’s a Rolex watch doesn’t make it true even if I believe him and go through life oblivious to the truth. Here is the difference. God has to be true. I shouldn’t have to give you the reason why Jesus Christ is the promise delivered to humanity, and why anything contrary to that messege can rightly be rejected, but you don’t seem to know it.
Many of the Christians in Arabia in Mohameds day were of sects that denied the divinity of Jesus. His first wiifes uncle was such a Christian. This same uncle married them and was the one who told Mohamed about his first visitation at Hira and being a prophet. The uncle never converted to Islam.
I sincerly believe Muslims think they know the God of Abraham, but they know Him through a deeply flawed man who clearly did not know God who was influenced by fear and threat and such is his messege. People like Luther and Thomas studied God for years to form their views. Right or wrong they had some understanding of God that Mohamed was oblivious to.
The first part is what I have already said. So, I don’t know why you so strenously object to what I have said, when it seems you are saying the exact same thing as I have.
It should be an issue to be honest and you misunderstand what I said. It is a paradox in that though they do not know God they think they do but worship Him in a pagan way.
Even the New Advent is wrong to list Mohammedanism as excluded. Wrong in the sense it gives Islam a pass at its pagan practices.
On that we concur. What has that to do with answer to the question in the title of this thread?
Fine, but not all false religions are pagan, that is not the generally accepted meaning of that term.
Do you suggest that Buddhism is also a pagan religion? I don’t consider Mormonism to be Christian in the slightest. It is an utter distortion of the truth. It seems to be the fabrication of one man who, at best, used the Bible as a springboard to his own false theology. I tend to view the development of the Qu’ran in much the same way I do the book of Mormon, as collections of half-truths frequently spiced with complete untruths. But just because they are non-Christian doesn’t make either Mormonism nor Islam pagan.
Nothing. It had to do with post #12. Your response above seems in conflcit with it.
I accept the New Advent definition you quoted with a noted exception to exclude Mohamed. Do you not believe in what you source? You said earlier:
I do not believe it was God that influenced him and do not accept the words of allah. You seem unsure.
Yes, see New Advent for definition of paganism. I’m kidding- sort of. I don’t know enough about it other than it does not have supposed divine doctrine that says “kill the unbeliever” in a number of ways for a variety of reasons in its ideology and/or philosophy. Right now the one that does has my attention.
It is heresy not born of paganism but imagination and ambition.
I suggest you study them better.
To be clear Momonism is heresy, Islam is paganism with a qualifier.
The difference between them is immense. The first is fun for kids and the second looks nice that time of year. Commercialism not withstanding of the secular society adopting the religious celebration and not the other way around. What kind of pastor you are, I wonder.
Then Islam, Mormonism, Buddhism, perhaps even Judaism would have to be considered pagan.
Then obviously Islam is not rooted in paganism, but Buddism and Mormonism are pagan religions.
Then not even Hinduism is pagan, let alone Islam which certainly worships only one God. But Mormonism would be for it believes that each person becomes a god of their own personal world elsewhere.
Either you do not read what I wrote a number of times in this thread or you do not comprehend it or a mixture. In your efforts to be so multi-cultural accepting of anything and everything you marginalize your Christian faith. What part of the “true one revealed by God” would exclude Judaism?
It’s roots came from the NT and it’s dogma from a tophat and imaginary gold plates.
Yea, Ok, I’m done with you here. I’d just repeat myself to answer this and most of your other points and you don’t answer most direct questions.