Islam an offense to our LORD.

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Well basically, you can’t be in the Catholic Church in full communion with her if you do not submit to her teachings. That includes how she interprets the scriptures. You see, when you have your own interpretation of the scriptures and it contradicts what the church teaches, then you are not in line with her.

If muslims want to be in full communion with the catholic church then… I think they would be catholics at that point.

I wish you the peace of Jesus Christ
(which come to us through His Church.)
I wish peace for you also, we are blessed to have the best of greetings.

I know you have lots of issues with me in encouraging goodness in Muslims and have posted how wrong I am.

If you could share from your personal experience of what is working for you in your parish and Muslims it may help us even more.

I would go by your relationships with them at CAF but personal contact is different and Muslims here dont seem to hear much of what you say or be leaping to convert.

Tomorrow night we are having some come to dinner and sharing at the parish, please help me as you point out that i am not in full communion and you are, your help may bless them.

I doubt i can get my head around all of Her teachings by then having the fullness of faith you say you have and i am without.

I know also the tiny faith i have will be dead without works.

Your big faith must have big works with Muslims and much fruit.

My tiny faith and tiny works only have tiny fruit so far.

From your words you seem to be in a better place than me to help them experience is the best teacher.

looking forward to your sharing please i ask again, begging, you have been showing me my wrong ways, well not showing me in examples just telling me i am wrong.

Please show me what has been working for Him with them through you.

I wish you and yours the peace of Jesus Christ.
which comes through being and accepting his way, yes the Catholic Church is great for this but in my parish we have put out into the deep, please stop preaching i am wrong and help us with your experience.
 
Jesus said he was receiving commands from father God. So he was a messenger for the Israelis.
It is true that any one who will not accept Mohammed as a messenger will not be forgiven.
… Any one who believes in Abraham and God of Abraham should believe in Jesus as a prophet of God. Abraham was himself a prophet of God. Abraham never said that a son of God will be coming (born) 2500 years after him.
If Jesus was a prophet of God, then he would have said something about Mohammed. He never said that Mohammed would be coming (born) 570 years after him. [Although he did say that false prophets would arise and mislead many.]

The Old Testament prophets never spoke a word about Mohammed. They never spoke about another prophet after Jesus. Islam says that Mohammed is a prophet/messenger of Allah because Mohammed said he was [self-proclamation]. Mohammed performed no miracles and had no witnesses to his so-called “revelations”. Therefore, the only explanation for Islam is that Mohammed made it all up or was delusional, … or both.
 
It is true that any one who will not accept Mohammed as a messenger will not be forgiven.

If Jesus was a prophet of God, then he would have said something about Mohammed. He never said that Mohammed would be coming (born) 570 years after him. [Although he did say that false prophets would arise and mislead many.]

The Old Testament prophets never spoke a word about Mohammed. They never spoke about another prophet after Jesus. Islam says that Mohammed is a prophet/messenger of Allah because Mohammed said he was [self-proclamation]. Mohammed performed no miracles and had no witnesses to his so-called “revelations”. Therefore, the only explanation for Islam is that Mohammed made it all up or was delusional, … or both.
Jesus said that the Paraclete will come after Him. Islam says that this Paraclete is the Prophet Muhamed, while Catholics believe that the Paraclete is the Holy Spirit that proceeds from the Father and the Son.
 
Jesus said that the Paraclete will come after Him. Islam says that this Paraclete is the Prophet Muhamed, while Catholics believe that the Paraclete is the Holy Spirit that proceeds from the Father and the Son.
I’m not laughing at you vile servant…just the koran…but mohammad the paraclete???
:rotfl: :hypno: :nope: :eek: :confused:
 
I’m not laughing at you vile servant…just the koran…but mohammad the paraclete???
:rotfl: :hypno: :nope: :eek: :confused:
Muslim scholars, who claim that the Bible is corrupted, nevertheless take great pains to quote all the bible passages about the Paraclete as proof of prophecy of Prophet Muhammed’s coming after Jesus.
 
Jesus said that the Paraclete will come after Him. Islam says that this Paraclete is the Prophet Muhamed, while Catholics believe that the Paraclete is the Holy Spirit that proceeds from the Father and the Son.
The Qur’an states that,
“Jesus, son of Mary said … ‘I am indeed the Messenger of God to you, confirming the Torah that is before me and giving good tidings of a messenger who shall come after me whose name shall be Ahmad.’” (Sura 61:6).

Do we find any record of this “Ahmad” in the Bible?

Ahmed is a form of the name Mohammed, both meaning “the praised one”. In the Greek tongue, we are told, this would be “periklytos”. Now we find in John’s Gospel, Chapter 14:16:
“I will pray the Father and He will give you another “parakletos”, (Counsellor or comforter) to be with you for ever.”

On the strength of the Qur’anic text, Muslims claim this verse to be a forgery perpetrated by Christians who intended thereby to camouflage the predicted coming of Mohammed, which to Muslims is so obviously predicted in the above text. We must state, however, that all manuscript texts of this Gospel of John, which contain the word ‘parakletos’ and not ‘periklytos’, date back to hundreds of years before the coming of Mohammed. Furthermore, the very next verse relates to us that the ‘parakletos’ …
“…is the spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You (the disciples of Jesus) know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.”

It should therefore be quite obvious that any interpretation that puts Mohammed in the place of the Holy Spirit is not in keeping with the facts.

Source: Alleged Prophecies in The Bible Pointing to Mohammed.
Not only that, but Islam denies the existence of the Holy spirit. Once again, for proof of Islam’s truth, Muslims point to a source in the Bible that Islam refutes, and to overcome this hurdle, they invent out of thin air the idea that the Bible has been corrupted. Even if we accept that it has been corrupted, why do they insist on using it as proof?

In addition to that, Islam denies the existence of the Holy spirit.

P.S. I anticipate planten to say the above passage from the Qur’an is incorrect.
 
Muslim scholars, who claim that the Bible is corrupted, nevertheless take great pains to quote all the bible passages about the Paraclete as proof of prophecy of Prophet Muhammed’s coming after Jesus.
V S, corruption of the holy scripture is of two types. 1. The corruption in the original words, by adding and altering the original words. 2. The corruption in the meaning of the original words by bad translation.

Bible has gone through both types of corruption. It happens like that to all scripture over a long period. If there was never any kind of corruption then why it was necessary to send new messengers?? If the message of Moses was intact in words and deeds then what was the need of the coming of Jesus?? People do forget and go astray and they are destroyed and punished. That is a part of the world history of nations.

The Quran is intact in its words, the original words given by Allah to Muhammad through the angel gabriel. There is no corruption of any word. But surely, there has been some corruption in he meaning of words. That has been going on for a long time.

Since there was to be no prophet and no new knowledge to be disclosed after Muhammad, Allah made the last message (Quran) safe and secure against any corruption of the words. Allah also made another arrangement to secure the correct meaning of the text of the Quran also. But that is beyond the scope of this post.

So here we are, with plenty of alterations in the text and meanings of the bible. Yet not all is altered or spoiled. The message of the bible remains clear if some one wants to interpret things justly, with love and wisdom,

Here I have to mention two important things.
  1. Moses did not take mankind to full salvation. He had come only for the Jews and to deliver them from the terrible life under the Egyptian kings. That he did very well. Al hamdu Lillah. But he left his people midway with a message for some one to come after him. See Deut 18:18. It is telling about a prophet to come after Moses, from their brethren (Not from his brethren), the like of Moses himself who was given a sacred law.
That makes it clear that some one ( a prophet) was to come after Moses Not a God to come after Moses. So the mission of Moses was not the ultimate message for mankind. There was more to follow.
  1. Then we come to Jesus. He was a prophet and messenger of God. Some Catholics deny that he was a prophet. The others need to keep Jesus as a prophet of God and a God as well. Anyhow, whatever he was, he also went away leaving his people midway by saying “I have many things to say unto you but you cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when the comforter (parcalete) comes, he will guide you into all truth. For he will not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear that shall he speak. And he shall show you thigs to come…” John chapter 16.
That clearly means that Jesus did not complete his mission in this world. He gave a message for some one to come after him. So who is that person who will hear and speak and say things??? We have to understand that. Whether it is parkeletos or perkilatos, it does not matter much. It has been mentioned as a comforter, as another comforter. So if Jesus was the first comforter himself (as he was), we have to look for some one who was a man, not just a spirit.

I have no problem with bibleNT as it is. We have to put up with what is left of the bible and make good use of it as much as we can. No bad feelings. When the Muslims say that bible is corrupted, they do not mean entirely corrupted. There are few changes in words and meanings.

I hope that would answer few things submitted by sedonaman too. Good luck and happy posting. Next I may prove that Muslims believe in the Holy Spirit, not as a God. Jesus was aided (helped and supported) by the Holy spirit (2:253). We have many references about Holy Spirit in the Quran.
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If there was never any kind of corruption then why it was necessary to send new messengers?? If the message of Moses was intact in words and deeds then what was the need of the coming of Jesus??
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As a Catholic, i can answer this for you. Jesus did not come so much to speak to clear up the words of Moses, since Jesus did not come only to preach. The Lord Jesus came to die for our salvation. He rose from the dead three days after his death in fact.

Do you know that He came to die so that your sins would be forgiven? The scripture says that “There is no other name under heaven by which man can be saved.”

Jesus Saves! Call out to him and see for yourself, ask Him to forgive your sins because He can.
 
Was Muhammad a comforter when he killed the Jews and the Christians?

No way…!:eek:
 
Was Muhammad a comforter when he said that Jesus and all his apostles were liars?

Oh no…!:eek:
 
Planten,

The Spirit of the Lord speaks through the Word of God to souls open to Him, inspite of any ‘corrupt’ translation.

The writers of the Word of God were all human beings, sinners. Same with members of the Church. Same with Islam.

We are all sinners before God, we entrust ourselves to His mercy, and try our best to extend His mercy to others inspite of our own limitations. The Bible goes back 5,600 years. I am sticking with it.

But in spite of our human frailty, we can still hear God speaking to us. Because we have souls. And souls are spirit created by God for God.
 
Since there was to be no prophet and no new knowledge to be disclosed after Muhammad, Allah made the last message (Quran) safe and secure against any corruption of the words.
That’s not true. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a prophet who came after Muhammad. So the Quran is incorrect.
 
and David Koresh.
I’m sure the list is long.

So any person, man or woman, can stand up and claim to have a message from God. But the question is, how are the rest of us to know whether or not that individual is actually God’s messenger of truth or if they [sic] are just pretending or delusional? What objective evidence or proofs are available to demonstrate that an individual is speaking as God’s appointed messenger? What proofs does that individual messenger point to as evidence to substantiate their [sic] claims?

In Islam’s case, as I have pointed out to planten ad nausium, we have only Mohammad’s word that he is a messenger of Allah. But he insists that it is true because Mohammed said so.
 
I’m sure the list is long.

So any person, man or woman, can stand up and claim to have a message from God. But the question is, how are the rest of us to know whether or not that individual is actually God’s messenger of truth or if they [sic] are just pretending or delusional? What objective evidence or proofs are available to demonstrate that an individual is speaking as God’s appointed messenger? What proofs does that individual messenger point to as evidence to substantiate their [sic] claims?

In Islam’s case, as I have pointed out to planten ad nausium, we have only Mohammad’s word that he is a messenger of Allah. But he insists that it is true because Mohammed said so.
VS’s point, I think, was that the prophet he mentioned is a man Planten recognises as a prophet.
 
I’m sure the list is long.

So any person, man or woman, can stand up and claim to have a message from God. But the question is, how are the rest of us to know whether or not that individual is actually God’s messenger of truth or if they [sic] are just pretending or delusional? What objective evidence or proofs are available to demonstrate that an individual is speaking as God’s appointed messenger? What proofs does that individual messenger point to as evidence to substantiate their [sic] claims?

In Islam’s case, as I have pointed out to planten ad nausium, we have only Mohammad’s word that he is a messenger of Allah. But he insists that it is true because Mohammed said so.
I am a messenger from God. I say mohammad was a nutcase. I guess planten will just have to believe me. Why? Because I say so! 😃
 
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