Islam and Afterlife

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Are you surprised that we Catholics are not going to have sex in heaven? Our western culture is criticzied for our permissiveness yet here you are talking to a bunch of Catholics, and other Christians, who can’t even imagine sex in heaven. That having wine or not having wine, really isn’t important to Catholics although we are allowed to drink here on earth. That we Catholics believe what is wrong on earth can’t be allowed in heaven.
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Western society is not christianity,secularism took over west-world pretty much over 100 years ago.

Why is sex wrong? its just natural,if it wasnt God wouldnt create need for sex in human beeing.Promiscuity is wrong and something islam condemns,but sex with your wife/husband is natural,healthy,something that islam in fact encourages
 
bosnian_muslim said:
Western society is not christianity,secularism took over west-world pretty much over 100 years ago.

Why is sex wrong? its just natural,if it wasnt God wouldnt create need for sex in human beeing.Promiscuity is wrong and something islam condemns,but sex with your wife/husband is natural,healthy,something that islam in fact encourages
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As noted before, Catholics believe we become spirits as it is our souls that ascend into heaven later to be re united with our bodies. Christ said there will not be marriage in heaven. No sex. No one is complaining not even the men.

As a woman, and I’ve asked this before but give it another try, how do you feel about your husband having sex with 72 virgins? Why can’t he be happy with you through eternity as you are with him?
 
“We’re not going to get any where if we don’t discuss the differences. If there weren’t differences, we’d have one faith. Not discussing the differences would be like ignoring the elephant in the living room.” We disagree here which is no big deal because its not a matter of faith.

“Circumcision comes to mind which was dropped by Christians because we had a new covenant. But as far as sin, the 10 Commandments haven’t changed. They show us our restrictions on earth and those restrictions remain in Catholic heaven.” So you also believe in an Omnipotent God who can change his rulings. Muslim and Christian God is the same in this aspect then. This is good to hear. We just use different words with the same semantic: “self-restraint” and one of “logic”.

The Christian God can also quote aicirt: “make evil good, good evil”. Or paraphrased, God can rule something sinful and then change that again.

You asked me back then: “So, how does a Muslim discern if he’s being tempted by Satan? And how would a Muslim determine if he is being told to do something which was previously seen as a sin but for some reason Allah now doesn’t see it as a sin?”

This question falls back to the Christian view also. Im showing you how superficial you low-effort you give into understanding another perspective because if you put some effort into thinking things through you would see that islam and christianity views God the same way when it comes to His Qualities, His Omnipotence. That you are not interested in understanding is also shown by your constant persistance to the womans side of paradise which has been sufficiently explained that

women will be totally satisfied with their reward. This is the Islamic perspective. Accept it already. Your provocative “what if…”, “why can’t…” questions are a lure to disbelief in the words of Allah revealed in the Quran.
 
jakasaki said:
Look at it this way -

islam/koran/hadiths/mohamad…

Offers wine, 72 virgins, gold, silver, silk, reclining couches, 80,000 servants, young boys, enormous tents, foods, pearls, rubbies… … etc… etc…

And not one Christian has said…

"Yeah… hoooray… " 👍 I’ll covert to islam… 👍

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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👍👍👍
 
Licht said:
“We’re not going to get any where if we don’t discuss the differences. If there weren’t differences, we’d have one faith. Not discussing the differences would be like ignoring the elephant in the living room.” We disagree here which is no big deal because its not a matter of faith.

“Circumcision comes to mind which was dropped by Christians because we had a new covenant. But as far as sin, the 10 Commandments haven’t changed. They show us our restrictions on earth and those restrictions remain in Catholic heaven.” So you also believe in an Omnipotent God who can change his rulings. Muslim and Christian God is the same in this aspect then. This is good to hear. We just use different words with the same semantic: “self-restraint” and one of “logic”.

The Christian God can also quote aicirt: “make evil good, good evil”. Or paraphrased, God can rule something sinful and then change that again.

You asked me back then: “So, how does a Muslim discern if he’s being tempted by Satan? And how would a Muslim determine if he is being told to do something which was previously seen as a sin but for some reason Allah now doesn’t see it as a sin?”

This question falls back to the Christian view also. Im showing you how superficial you low-effort you give into understanding another perspective because if you put some effort into thinking things through you would see that islam and christianity views God the same way when it comes to His Qualities, His Omnipotence. That you are not interested in understanding is also shown by your constant persistance to the womans side of paradise which has been sufficiently explained that

women will be totally satisfied with their reward. This is the Islamic perspective. Accept it already. Your provocative “what if…”, “why can’t…” questions are a lure to disbelief in the words of Allah revealed in the Quran.
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St. Paul lifted the restriction on circumcision, Liciht. It was done so that adult non-Jewish men would be able to convert to Christianity. This new religion was under a new covenant. The old covenant was between Abraham and God establishing the Jewish religion. Now there was a new religion which God established through His Son.

The 10 Commandments remain both here and in heaven.

Yes, most Westerners would wonder how women feel about the 72 virgins. That is why I asked the question to a Muslim woman.

Licht, it might stress you that these questions are so pointed and insistent, but let’s not forget that it is the idea of this Muslim afterlife that has propelled Islamic terrorists into killing over and over again.
 
The ten commandments speak of not coveting one’s neighbor’s wife…Jesus spoke of adultery in the heart…divorce was allowed in ancient times because they were stubborn and hard hearted people.

Having one partner is healthier. Having multiple partners has the potential of causing diseases.

We already know that multiple wives can be impoverishing. And then the women have to survive in various places of the world as beasts of burden. I have seen images of strong third world men sitting on logs commanding their wives and kids to do this and that, and the men taking their sustenance first. Jesus Christ died for men and women and children in conditions like these.

Jesus liberates us from our own egoism and frailty. He upholds women and their witness, and their innate value of monogamy by telling men not to lust, not to fornicate, not to commit adultery.

Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of all prophets. He is raising the bar and calling us to a higher level of existence – our intellect and spirit and reason – and teaching us to see the common humanity of all people.

It is this new vision of our neighbor that Christ enlightens us, that leads to heaven…not enslaving us further to our own passions and carnate things that will be burned up in the final judgment.
 
aicirt said:
So it would be grape juice? :o:confused:
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We don’t know as we havn’t been there. All we know is that it’s non-intoxicating wine. That is to say it doesn’t have any of the negative physical consequences of alcohol in this earth.
 
Licht said:
seraphime. In the Quran Allah indicates that things will be better and its an accepted interpretation that the pleasures will not deminish but instead become better every day. To understand the reality of this please read the last few paragraphs my post #261. Here is the link:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=6740855&postcount=261

peace
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What I mean to say it seems that Muslims are lured to the kind of heaven for everlasting pleasure of the body. It fails to see that even in this world, happiness is not a consequence of having pleasure and guaranteed pleasure. Your depiction of a paradise with increasing pleasure just make me feel that your kind of goal in this life is so trivial, it’s almost analogical with taking opium, the previous dose doesn’t bring the same pleasure, then you take higher dose or take higher type of drug…it’s very hollow!

If you realize, the happiness of life of people on this very world relies very much on meaningful relationship, how people make sense of lives by put meaning on relationship of love and how they make purpose out of it. The pleasure is not the purpose, you live in this world not for the purpose of eating, sex, and all those carnal pleasure. I tell you already that many people of this world, having the ability to satisfy those desires, still at some point feel bored, not because they cannot reach the higher pleasure, it’s just they get bored because they don’t have any meaning and purpose to their life, they don’t have the necessary love, anymore purpose or meaningful connection to people.

I still believe, that my Lord Jesus have already guaranteed me more blissful life in reuniting with Him, a true happiness that last because of love, relationship and fulfillment. I even think, how wonderful the heaven will be if it also includes in relating to the people of the world someway, somehow, seeing how the world becomes a better place in a mystical way…:)perhaps, anyway if we still become the partner of God someway, somehow. It’s said somewhere that angels in heaven are rejoicing when one soul in this world can be saved…👍
I remember that in her biography, mother Theresa of Calcutta saying that she would rather be in the kind of heaven that would still make her able to bring light for the soul that is enveloped by darkness than just enjoying the pleasurable heaven.
 
Seraphime,

Great post! Too bad the Muslims do not know Jesus. Then they would understand the Spirit and not serve the flesh.

Those who persevere in following Christ will also follow Him in the final resurrection where our souls will be reunited to our bodies.

How loving of Mother Theresa to want to spend her time in heaven praying for those suffering on earth. This is the sign of true religion.
 
Thanks Kathleen !
I do hope that those Muslims would still be able to learn the spirit that fills the Christianity through this kind of media.

Bless u!
 
aicirt said:
As noted before, Catholics believe we become spirits as it is our souls that ascend into heaven later to be re united with our bodies. Christ said there will not be marriage in heaven. No sex. No one is complaining not even the men.

As a woman, and I’ve asked this before but give it another try, how do you feel about your husband having sex with 72 virgins? Why can’t he be happy with you through eternity as you are with him?
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That’s right! Sex is necessary on earth for procreation but there is no need for that in heaven.

Vickie
 
I thought muslims think that they can have babies in heaven too. Perpetual children that will never grow up? 🤷

I have to wonder that once a muslim man “uses” up one of those virgins, she’s no longer a virgin, so does their God zap her and create a new one for him? I’m just dumbfounded with all of these claims.
 
Loboto-Me said:
I thought muslims think that they can have babies in heaven too. Perpetual children that will never grow up? 🤷

I have to wonder that once a muslim man “uses” up one of those virgins, she’s no longer a virgin, so does their God zap her and create a new one for him? I’m just dumbfounded with all of these claims.
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Remains a virgin.

I’ve asked before why 72? Is there a significance to the number 72?
 
I’ve been thinking about the words in “The Our Father” which Jesus taught us(Mt.:9-13) ; for this point I specify the verse “thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven…”
It seems that the Islamic view of Heaven directly contradicts the Christian view in that the rules of conduct are different between Heaven and Earth. God teaches us through Christianity to love on earth the way that God loves us from Heaven so we can further appreciate that love when we reach Heaven. In Islam a person dies and suddenly the things that he/she knew to be wrong are a part of everlasting life?
 
Justin1982 said:
I’ve been thinking about the words in “The Our Father” which Jesus taught us(Mt.:9-13) ; for this point I specify the verse “thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven…”
It seems that the Islamic view of Heaven directly contradicts the Christian view in that the rules of conduct are different between Heaven and Earth. God teaches us through Christianity to love on earth the way that God loves us from Heaven so we can further appreciate that love when we reach Heaven. In Islam a person dies and suddenly the things that he/she knew to be wrong are a part of everlasting life?
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if you wanna to describe a contradiction between two things , you need to represnt it clearly in the mannar which will show us this contradiction

you wrote two different statement have no relation with each other , then said that it’s contradiction 🤷

for example , just complete this statement
In christianity a person dies and suddenly the things that he/she knew to be wrong are a part of … ?
 
I can answer that one

In Christianity, when a person dies and suddenly the things that he/she knew to be wrong are a part of the fuel that will be cast into the lake of fire. 👍
 
Justin1982 said:
That is the number of books in a Catholic Bible.
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Catholic Bible has nothing to do with the number of virgins a Muslim gets in heaven.

I answered my own question by googling it. The Qu’ran apparently does not stipulate the number of women. The number of women is given in a hadith which interperts the Qu’ran. The exact number of women has no real significance.
 
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