Islam and fear

[inJESUS]

pro_universal:

Do you realize how ironic that is?

That’s been yours, Eden’s, and cestusdei’s response to me so far. “He’s a muslim, therefore, nothing he says is valid.”

there must be a reason why all of us say this don’t you think? and no, not everything you say is not valid, that 'd be arrogance on our part…but when you say something invalid, they point it out and when you try to pass on a lie we have to point at it…

 

[cestusdei]

And you say if it’s Jewish it isn’t valid. Or it’s the Daily Telegraph so it’s invalid. Or is the Vatican so it’s invalid.

I can prove I am not a Muslim. Not only do I believe that Jesus is God, but I state that Muhammed was not a prophet. Rather he was a bloodthirsty warlord. Also I state that the Quran is not the word of God, but the fantasies of a meglomaniac. That should pretty much do it.

Now if you want to state that Muhammed was no prophet and the Quran is not the word of God then you to can claim to not be Muslim. You would still of course be a minion of Islamic terrorists, but you wouldn’t be considered Muslim.

 

[MrS]

pro_universal:

I am Catholic. I believe Jesus is God and in the Trinity. Very simple to say, not so easy to live.

very simple to leave out declaring the Koran false, Mohammed false, and Allah as NOT the same God as the true Triune God

 

[pro_universal]

very simple to leave out declaring the Koran false, Mohammed false, and Allah as NOT the same God as the true Triune God

It’s very principled. I’m not going to insult another religion that worships the same God I do just to play a game on a forum.

 

[cestusdei]

You don’t have to insult them. Just say Muhammed was not a prophet and the Quran is not the word of God. Any real Catholic would have no problem with that.

 

[mjdonnelly]

pro_universal:

It’s very principled. I’m not going to insult another religion that worships the same God I do just to play a game on a forum.

It isn’t insulting if it is a matter of fact. Mohammad was a bloodthirsty warlord.

 

[MrS]

pro_universal:

It’s very principled. I’m not going to insult another religion that worships the same God I do just to play a game on a forum.

not a game… your eternal soul is at stake.

How can one insult a lie?

How can one insult a false diety?

How can one insult a false prophet?

Certainly not by declaring them as false!!!

You are not a Catholic. A true Catholic should jump at the chance to stand up for the Truth. It is not something.

It is SomeBody and His Name is Jesus Christ.

Of course they worship the same God you do… You worship Allah… not the Triune God of all creation.

 

[Eden]

I don’t understand why, when your credibility is on the line, you don’t just state that you do not believe Muhammed was a prophet and that the Quran is not the word of God.

 

[pro_universal]

You don’t have to insult them. Just say Muhammed was not a prophet and the Quran is not the word of God. Any real Catholic would have no problem with that.

Now I’m starting to wonder if you’re actually even a Priest. I have never met one in my life with such infantile behavior.

 

[pro_universal]

I don’t understand why, when your credibility is on the line, you don’t just state that you do not believe Muhammed was a prophet and that the Quran is not the word of God.

Because it is an insult to another religion based on a foolish game when my answer is already clear. If I already say I’m Catholic, I do nothing but add insult to another religion solely for the purpose of satisfying someone else’s demand.

It has no connection to the argument, nothing to do whatsoever with my being Catholic, and I refuse to insult an entire religion for such spurious purposes.

You all could use a dose of principle.

 

[cestusdei]

I am backing you into a corner. We suspect that you are not what you say you are. You are being very cagey about it. This is not the first time a Muslim has tried this. The above statement isn’t insulting. It is what Christians believe. You should be able to say it and end the whole controversy. Then we could drop it and fight about lot’s of other things. So why don’t you? That is the question I am asking myself. It is not infantile just prudent.

 

[MrS]

pro_universal:

Because it is an insult to another religion based on a foolish game when my answer is already clear. If I already say I’m Catholic, I do nothing but ad insult to another religion solely for the purpose of satisfying someone else’s demand.

It has no connection to the argument, nothing to do whatsoever with my being Catholic, and I refuse to insult an entire religion for such spurious purposes.

** You all could use a dose of principle.**

delivered by you… ???

Do you go to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and refuse to pronounce the Credo… because it might “insult” some other false religion by not embracing/condoning that false religion??

 

[mjdonnelly]

pro_universal:

Because it is an insult to another religion based on a foolish game when my answer is already clear. If I already say I’m Catholic, I do nothing but add insult to another religion solely for the purpose of satisfying someone else’s demand.

It has no connection to the argument, nothing to do whatsoever with my being Catholic, and I refuse to insult an entire religion for such spurious purposes.

You all could use a dose of principle.

Any Christian would deny the Mohammad was a prophet, and it isn’t an insult, it is OUR belief.

 

[cestusdei]

Look pro. I will make you a promise. If you are indeed as we suspect a Muslim then just admit it. If you do I promise we will not use your deception against you. We will ask that you identify yourself accordingly from here on out, but we will not bash you for it. Yes, it will mean you lied. We will just live with that. But I promise that we, and I, will not say “I told you so”. You just have to be honest from now on. I am giving you an easy out here. Take it.

 

[MrS]

pro:

As a “Catholic”, can you define Lent for me?

Can you explain what the Real Presence means to you?

Can you tell me what great grace/gift/reward you or I will receive in heaven?

 

[inJESUS]

pro_universal:

Because it is an insult to another religion based on a foolish game when my answer is already clear. If I already say I’m Catholic, I do nothing but add insult to another religion solely for the purpose of satisfying someone else’s demand.

It has no connection to the argument, nothing to do whatsoever with my being Catholic, and I refuse to insult an entire religion for such spurious purposes.

You all could use a dose of principle.

John said mohammad is an anti-Christ…Paul said mohammad is accursed…neither was PC…it’s a matter of salvation here…Jesus did not die so that we condone false teachings.

 

[pro_universal]

Do you go to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and refuse to pronounce the Credo… because it might “insult” some other false religion by not embracing/condoning that false religion??

Do you go to mass and say “Here’s a list of religions: lutheran, pentecostal, jewish, muslim…they’re all false and I think they’re all the spawn of satan”?

No. I have already said what my Faith is, and that’s what you do at mass, and requiring specific insults to another religion in addition is asinine.

I will respond to no more challenges to my faith, because they are off topic and have nothing to do with the substance of my posts.

 

[MrS]

pro_universal:

Do you go to mass and say "Here’s a list of religions: lutheran, pentecostal, jewish, muslim…they’re all false and I think they’re all the spawn of satan"?

No. I have already said what my Faith is, and that’s** what you do at mass**, and requiring specific insults to another religion in addition is asinine.

I will respond to no more challenges to my faith, because they **are off topic **and have nothing to do with the substance of my posts.

YES…By virtue of my actions, I renouce all false religions. And when I pronounce the Credo - I believe - I declare the one true religion.

Thanks for the answer. You said that is what I do. If you were Catholic, you would have said that is what YOU yourself do.

They are not off topic… they are right on topic “Islam and Fear”

What we need to understand is that the two, Islam and Fear go hand in hand. Islam is Fear. You are either in fear of the false god and prophet, or you have no fear of the True God.

Either way, that is a sad way to prepare to meet your maker

 

[MrS]

we see you viewing this thread…

 

[Eden]

pro_universal:

Do you go to mass and say “Here’s a list of religions: lutheran, pentecostal, jewish, muslim…they’re all false and I think they’re all the spawn of satan”?

What does going to Mass (capital M) have to do with stating that Muhammed was not a prophet and the Quran is not the word of God on a forum?