Islam and Original Sin

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Khalfan said:
As always, you make your own version of Islamic teaching at refute it.šŸ™‚
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Did you not see the question mark in this sentence:

I asked:
*Then Allah lives in you? *

Apparently, you are scared to answer that question. Have you painted yourself into a corner?
We believe, there is no Adam (pbuh) or his sin or any fallen nature or anything between us and God. If we want to get God, he is right here with us.
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Does God live in you? And do you live in God? That is the Catholic Teaching. God is He in whom we live, move and are. And our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit of God.
There is no need of a ransom to sort the problem between me and God. There is no need of a cross or image between us. There is no even Mohamed (pbuh) between me and God.
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So, you donā€™t accept Mohammedā€™s intercession? Then why do you accept his religion? Have you no honor for Mohammed?
I donā€™t believe his spirit lives in me but he lives everywhere including me.
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He does? Please provide the Quranic text which says that Allah lives everywhere including in you. Because Iā€™ve always been told by Sunni Muslims that Allah lives in heaven and does not live in His Creation.
What I do is not becasue he moves me, but he gives me power to move as I want.
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Oh, so Allah does not will everything which you do? That sounds like another contradiction, you said that Allah causes everything to move, including your will do do sin:
Do you have your own power to do good deed or a sin, unless God given it to you?
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Just tell me what is actual sin. I canā€™t find my dictionary.
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The question has been answered.

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De Maria
 
De_Maria said:
Yes, he is. As was made clear in a vivid new report by 60 minutes, if he dies, there are thousands more Osamas ready to take his place. Your children are raised up chanting death on America, death to Christians, death to Jews.

Yes, he is.
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paarsurreyā€™s group arenā€™t representative of Islam - the major groups donā€™t think his group is Islamic
 
From what i can see and have seen with all Muslims, they reject the Original Sin concept because they do NOT understand it, just like The Trinity, when the concept is right in their books.

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira and Hudhaifa that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Allah, the Blessed and Exalted, would gather people. The believers would stand till the Paradise would be brought near them. They would come to Adam and say: O our father, open for us the Paradise. He would say: What turned you out from the Paradise WAS THE SIN OF YOUR FATHER ADAM. I am not in a position to do that; ā€¦ (Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0380)

Abu Huraira reported that Godā€™s messenger told of Adam and Moses holding a disputation in their Lordā€™s presence and of Adam getting the better of Moses in argument. Moses said, ā€œYou are Adam whom God created with His hand, into whom He breathed of His spirit, to whom He made the angels do obeisance, and whom He caused to dwell in his garden; then BECAUSE OF YOUR SIN caused MANKIND to come down to the earth.ā€ Adam replied, "And you are Moses whom God chose to deliver His messages and to address, to whom He gave the tablets on which everything was explained, and whom He brought near as a confidant. How long before I was created did you find that God has written the Torah? Moses said, ā€œForty years.ā€ Adam asked, ā€œDid you find in it, ā€˜And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erredā€™?ā€ On being told that he did, he said, ā€œDo you then blame me for doing a deed which God had decreed that I should do forty years before He created me?ā€ Godā€™s messenger said, ā€œSo Adam got the better of Moses n the argument.ā€ Muslim transmitted it.

This Ayah mentions the great honor that Allah granted Adam, and Allah reminded Adamā€™s offspring of this fact. Allah commanded the angels to prostrate before Adam, as this Ayah and many Hadiths testify, such as the Hadith about the intercession that we discussed. There is a Hadith about the supplication of Musa, **"O my Lord! Show me Adam who caused us and himself to be thrown out of Paradise.ā€™ā€™ **(Ibn Kathir on surah 2:34)

Clear words. Couldnā€™t be any clearer. As Yussuf Ali said, Adam represents mankind in spiritual matters.
 
why do Muslims kill animals as sacrifices? youā€™ll reply to live Abrahamā€™s memoryā€¦well how strange that you remember him with sacrifices instead of something else yet you state ā€œno need for sacrificesā€. If no need then why do you kill millions of animals each year? just as imitation right?

why does Allah call a ram (sacrifice) something **GREAT **in the Quran? in what sense is the ram (sacrifice) great?
 
Allah says he creates man in the **BEST **]mould, and in allahā€™s image. Is sin considered best mould and Allahā€™s image? if not, then sin does not come from God who created you in the best mould but from yourself (as Yussuf said) when you twist the grace God gave you. If sin comes from our choice, whether it was Adam or x or y, it was our choice, not Godā€™s. If Islam teaches that Allah created man to sin, then it;s a huge problemā€¦but if Islam teaches that Allah created us to do good but we choose to do bad, then this is original sin.
 
Hi

The **first Question **from Sirajuddin, a Christian:

According to the Christian beliefs, Christā€™s mission to come in this world was for Love of the humanity and to offer his Sacrifice for the fellow human being. Was this the mission of the founder of Islam also in the same meaning or not? Could his mission be described in other better words than Love or Sacrifice?

The Response by the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908, continued from my previous post #143:

Now something about the legend that Jesus was sent for love of the humans and for humans he sacrificed himself. This Christians scheme is useful with this provision when first they have firm belief in it then they say ā€œJesus got cursed for the sins of the worldā€. Thus he was hanged to the wood of Curse. It is for this that we hinted first that the Sacrifice of Jesus is sacrifice of Curse. Sin brought in curse and curse brought in the Cross.

Now the thing worth probing is would it be admissible to ascribe meaning of curse to a righteous person? Let it be evident that the Christian committed a blunder when they designed putting curse on Jesus; or they thought curse is permissible for Jesus, though it was only for three days or may be lesser, because the true meaning of curse concerns state of heart of a person accused for curse, and only then such person would be accused of curse when he is totally disloyal to God at heart.

It is for this reason that devil is called laeen*. And it is well-known that laanat* or curse reflects discard from intimacy, and this word is used for a person whose heart is afar from love and obedience until that person becomes enemy of God. The word laanat* or curse exactly defines this meaning; all scholars of Arabic diction agree to it. Now we ask, if in fact curse was put on Jesus Christ; that makes it necessary that he must be in fact having an abode in curse and under wrath of God, having no part whatsoever in awareness of God and His obedience, rather his heart became devoid of love of God, so much so that God became his enemy and he became enemy of God.

God was annoyed with him and he was annoyed with God precisely as meaning of curse suggests and this makes it necessary that in the days of his curse he in fact became an infidel and under treason from God, an adversary that had a part of devil in him.

Hence this belief about Jesus, we ask refuge from God, is like making him a devilsā€™ brother. And in my view saying such thing about a holy Prophet is taking too much liberty at him, which no god-fearing could dare do, except a person who is very unclean and dirty 1n nature.
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Paar you already posted the same mantra a thousand time. If you continue spamming, i will personally report you. if you get banned, do not say we did not warn you previously:shrug:
 
 
 
fatma said:
You guys are the spammers - I think you two are the same person, am i right?
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If you want to contribute to the threads, please go ahead.

paarsurrey has argued that Osama is not representative of Islam, yet the majority of Moslems donā€™t think his ahmadhi group is Moslem.
 
Why do Moslems believe Christians and Jews must travel through hell-fire?
 
fatma said:
i think they were copying the catholics
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Nah i doubt it, naziā€™s didnt care much for catholics at all. I recall them even taking priests to auschwitz.
Now can you say catholics supported nazis??
Hitler was no catholic, he was not a practicing catholic, or do you think catholics like going around invading countries and killing jews, gypsies or anyone else that disagreeā€™s with us? No way!
 
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