Islam and porc

[cathopologist]

Interestingly, I was asking some friends who were from Saudi Arabia why they will drink alcohol but will not eat pork, when both are forbidden under Islam. They thought that eating pork was worse than alcohol, because, according to them, eating pork will make you “not jealous.” According to them, pigs are the only animals who have sex with pigs they aren’t married to (lol!) and if you eat pork, you will eventually lose any sense of jealousy and become promiscuous and allow your spouse to have sex with other men. I said, “I eat pork and I’m not at all like that.” And they replied, "Well…you must not eat a lot of it then…

This practice is also common amongst Singaporean Muslims. They will go clubbing, pubbing and have no problems gulping down a bottle of gin or vodka or a jug of beer. But when we head out for a late supper, they refuse to eat anything that has pork on the menu. Although i never asked them for a reason, i found the Arabian reasoning humourous.

 

[cathopologist]

Yup. Most of these fast-food restaurants obtain meat from butcheries that do not comply with the Islamic method of slaughtering animals. I think some are aware of it, but don’t really care much about it anyway.

 

[Sam_777]

I was asking some friends who were from Saudi Arabia why they will drink alcohol but will not eat pork, when both are forbidden under Islam. They thought that eating pork was worse than alcohol, because, according to them, eating pork will make you “not jealous.” According to them, pigs are the only animals who have sex with pigs they aren’t married to (lol!) and if you eat pork, you will eventually lose any sense of jealousy and become promiscuous and allow your spouse to have sex with other men. I said, “I eat pork and I’m not at all like that.” And they replied, “Well…you must not eat a lot of it then…”

That is the problem, that is why I said before those Ishmael’s descendants have bad manners, they pretend the religious acts in front of people while at the back they make all prohibited things.

And ask them why Saudis go to Bahrain & UAE for prostitutions, why they invented more than 10 types of marriages, why most of the sexual crimes here are related to pederastic relations, that is why I think Islam is nothing but a political, sexual, and satanic ideology.

 

[inJESUS]

This practice is also common amongst Singaporean Muslims. They will go clubbing, pubbing and have no problems gulping down a bottle of gin or vodka or a jug of beer. But when we head out for a late supper, they refuse to eat anything that has pork on the menu.

seems it’s a common thing.

 

[inJESUS]

Yup. Most of these fast-food restaurants obtain meat from butcheries that do not comply with the Islamic method of slaughtering animals. I think some are aware of it, but don’t really care much about it anyway.

it’s a business…the sheikh decides which halal company products to let in based on how much percentage the company gives him…

 

[Sam_777]

cathopologist;4161024:

Yup. Most of these fast-food restaurants obtain meat from butcheries that do not comply with the Islamic method of slaughtering animals. I think some are aware of it, but don’t really care much about it anyway.

it’s a business…the sheikh decides which halal company products to let in based on how much percentage the company gives him…

You have reminded me of the equity trading here in Saudi Arabia, in the early days Saudi clerics said its forbidden, later on they said its okay to own shares in some companies, thereby we had some black listed companies that Muslims should not own shares in them, and nowadays owning shares in any company is allowed, there is no more a black list.

Before Saudi Muslim clerics used to abstain from owning shares in the stock market, but when the government was issuing IPOs for the people, all of them owned shares including the Muslim clerics, therefore they cancelled the black list idea, and nowadays you hear Muslim clerics chatting about the stock market which to buy and which to sell.

 

[Americanrevert]

**Hello again ,

Among all the dietary prohibitions that Jews have to follow, why do Muslims pick only porc? can’t Muslims eat rabbits and camels when this is prohibited in the Mosaic Law?can’t they drink camel milk when this is prohibited in the Mosaic Law? can’t Muslims mix meat with dairy products when this is prohibited in the Mosaic Law/? lobsters, oysters, shrimp, clams and crabs are all forbidden in the Mosaic law; don’t muslims eat them? so why do they not follow all the Mosaic Law ? why did Muhammad change it? what is the theological reason behind some of the restrictions Muhammad changed, if there is any?

It isn’t that Muslims pick only pork. What Allah says in the Quran, Muslims are to obey. Rabbits, Camels are allowed in Islam. Camel milk is very nutritious an it is very good in building strength. Mixing certain dairy products with foods such as fish are hurtful to the body. Any seafood is allowed in Islam. We follow Islam. The LAST MESSAGE FROM GOD TO MANKIND. Mohammad never wrote the Quran, he didn’t change anything and he never claimed to do such things. He only obeyed what was chosen for him to obey. The same question should be posed to Christians. Why do they claim Jesus hasn’t changed the law? Christians say he came to fulfill the law but isn’t doing the opposite of what he himself is, a Jew according to the Bible, doing just that???

There has been one God taught, monotheism in every prophet that was sent (peace and blessings be upon all of them). One God all the way up to Mohammad sws. It is been the work of theologians, the council of nicea 325 AD, the interpreters, the authors and others, that have changed the word of God.

I was once in a Jewish room and was having a beautiful discussion with a Rabi and he actually told me that they have actually had to change some of the laws in order for the people to believe nowadays. Imagine!!! What gives people the right to do such things!!

Allah says in the Quran 2:79, “Fawaylulillethina yaktabunal kitaba biaydiheem. thumma yaquluna hatha min 'andillehi liyashtarubihi themanenqalilleh. Fawaylullahummeemakataba aydihim wa waylullahummeemaa yaksiboon” *MEANING: * Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, ‘This is from Allah,’ to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby."

(I know the entire Baqarah by memory Allah ybarak~in Arabi with the proper pronunciations and tajweed)

thank you

Americanrevert

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[inJESUS]

**Hello again ,

It isn’t that Muslims pick only pork. What Allah says in the Quran, Muslims are to obey. Rabbits, Camels are allowed in Islam. **

 

[Americanrevert]

**Hello again,

Nice discussions thank you tabarakAllah

am not sure i understand your question. Yes Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law, including the ceremonial law. Porc was forbidden for ceremonial reasons to Jews and not to gentiles…God does not hate porc, you know, just as He does not hate the forskin of uncircumcised babiess…there are signs and symbols and rituals that makes a Jew a Jew…Jesus fulfilled them…we don’t have to be Jews to follow Jesus…it is Jesus who says " not what enters the mouth that defiles it".

How can you say that God does not like pork, have you asked Him? Did He say anywhere in the Bible He doesn’t hate it? I am talking LAWS TO BE OBEYED. No questions asked…this is why we are to strictly adhere to the laws of God and not to man’s…simply on account of guessing God. (God forbid). What I am asking is, can you prove to me that what you are saying is actually from God HIMSELF???

so that He was not crucified becomes He was crucified, for example?

People have changed, have written down words to form the Bible. God didn’t give anyone permission for this. The theologians took it upon themselves sometime AFTER Jesus’ ascention. (Muslims believe in the second coming of Jesus’ and that he was ascended) Men have been rewriting the Bibles (too many circulating) and giving their own opinions as to what this means etc., without permission. In Islam, this is FORBIDDEN. We are not even allowed to attribute or say a lie against Mohammad sws. If one does, he might as well be taking a seat in Hellfire.~~it is that serious an ordeal.



Have you ever read the Quran specifically suratal Baqarah? Second Chapter. It talks, this and Al Imran (also know this by memory~~am in the process of memorizing the entire Quran God willing) Allah ybarak, about the Jews and how they are, what they acted like, how they perceive things etc.

It doesn’t take one that long to see the bigger picture when it is all put together in sequence. Is easier.

The reason why I have so much faith is that no one has been able outdo the Quran. No Arab Christian, no Arab Jew, no one has been able to bring another book such as it and no one will be able to produce one like it. Ohhhh they have tried, trust me, they have tried…BIG TIME…but to no avail, have not succeeded.

When Allah says, He is the protector, He is the PROTECTOR. On HIS authority does the Quran hold true.

thank you again for your lovely responses

Americanrevert

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[dzheremi]

The reason why I have so much faith is that no one has been able outdo the Quran. No Arab Christian, no Arab Jew, no one has been able to bring another book such as it and no one will be able to produce one like it.

Why do you assume that they would need to? For the Christians, the Bible already DOES outdo the Quran, as for the Jews the Torah also outdoes the Quran. Or, to put it in its proper historical claim, the Quran does not “outdo” either of the previous books (since it came last).

This notion is a strange one to me, anyway. I hear it often from Muslims: The Quran is a miracle/true/from God because no one can produce a book greater than it. Well, that is not something that you would recognize, is it? It would be like if a Christian were to say “I will leave Christianity if someone can produce a book that is greater than the Bible”. Logically, it is a strange statement to make because if you believe that this is even a possibility as an event, you cannot be Christian! This is one of the reasons why we Catholics do not believe that groups like the Mormons are Christians, even though they claim to be. They believe in an additional book, their Book of Mormon, that they claim tells the story of Jesus’ apparition to the Native Americans of ancient times. We know better for many reasons, chief among them is the fact that the Bible does not need any “addition” to complete it - it is already and always the perfect, complete, and unequalled Word of God.

So to answer your claim from a Christian perspective: Christians and Jews produced a book that is infinitely greater than the Quran, hundreds of years before it. This is why we don’t need to go about producing another, because we already have it.

 

[inJESUS]

**Hello again,

Nice discussions thank you tabarakAllah**

 

[Psalter]

That is the problem, that is why I said before those Ishmael’s descendants have bad manners, they pretend the religious acts in front of people while at the back they make all prohibited things.

And ask them why Saudis go to Bahrain & UAE for prostitutions, why they invented more than 10 types of marriages, why most of the sexual crimes here are related to pederastic relations, that is why I think Islam is nothing but a political, sexual, and satanic ideology.

I have a question, Sam, what is an “Ismaili”? I asked a couple of them what type of Muslim they were–Sunni or Shi’a–and they they were “Ismaili”. What is that and are they more radical like the Wahaabi or more moderate?

 

[Sam_777]

I have a question, Sam, what is an “Ismaili”? I asked a couple of them what type of Muslim they were–Sunni or Shi’a–and they they were “Ismaili”. What is that and are they more radical like the Wahaabi or more moderate?

Hi Psalter,

Ismaili which is somehow part of the Shiah community is different than Ishmael (the son of Abraham).
More details here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismaili