Islam and the Virgin Birth of Jesus

[Psalter]

Here’s another one I remembered:

“For what if some of them [the Jews] have not believed? Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid! But God is true and every man a liar, as it is written: That thou mayest be justified in thy words and mayest overcome when thou art judged.” (Romans iii, 3,4)

 

[ralphinal]

If Jesus was born of a virgin, who is his father?

If Jesus has a father, what traits did he inherit from him?

My son looks like me, and seems to think a lot like I do. He also makes the same faces that i make in responce to certain things. How is Jesus like his father?

 

[inJESUS]

Here’s another one I remembered:

“For what if some of them [the Jews] have not believed? Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid! But God is true and every man a liar, as it is written: That thou mayest be justified in thy words and mayest overcome when thou art judged.” (Romans iii, 3,4)

as you can see, muslims believe man is more powerful than Allah that men’s distortions are more powerful than God’s truthfulness that is why there is no Islam without doubting God’s truthfulness…

 

[inJESUS]

getting those gray hairs yet??

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and still waiting…big words do muslims believe in (miraculous birth) , but empty meaning.

 

[planten]

dolphinlove;4202524:

getting those gray hairs yet??

QUOTE]
and still waiting…big words do muslims believe in (miraculous birth) , but empty meaning.

** Yes, I believe in the miraculously birth of Jesus**, same as the miraculous safety of Moses after birth same as miraculous safety of Jesus on the cross and after the cross.

So please do not be upset. Your part of question has been answered in the positive. And that your stop your hair becoming grey now.

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS;4206613:

** Yes, I believe in the miraculously birth of Jesus**

, **same as **the miraculous safety of Moses after birth same as miraculous safety of Jesus on the cross and after the cross.
have you got a real answer Planten?

 

[Angelos]

Planten, you can believe in those miracles in the same way and measure, but this will not change the fact that those miracles are distinct in nature.

 

[mattkubes]

have you got a real answer Planten?

As soon as he finds the right thing to copy and paste, I’m sure we’ll have his answer. Honestly, I’ve seen few Muslims do any critical thinking here…just ctrl-c, ctrl-v, random/unrelated comment, and repeat. At least Americanrevert uses some of her own words (although nothing ground breaking yet ).

Perfect example, our discussion on John 1:1. If they had looked at the Greek, they would see that it clearly claimed Jesus to be God. But instead, all we got were lies from Islamic apologists, meant to prey on those who are weak in their faith.

 

[ralphinal]

If Jesus was born of a virgin, who is his father?

If Jesus has a father, what traits did he inherit from him?

My son looks like me, and seems to think a lot like I do. He also makes the same faces that i make in responce to certain things. How is Jesus like his father?

 

[morning_star777]

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In Islam/Quran, Jesus is addressed with respect to being Eesa ibna Maryam. Jesus the son of Mary as the MasiH (Messiah). He is also known as Abdulla (servant of Allah) and RasullAllah (messenger of Allah).

**

this is not respect.This is honor coated dishonor. Lord Jesus does not need this type of honor from muslims and he is not crying for it.Jesus is not servant of your allah or any one,but the whole universe is the servant to Jesus.and if after 600 years of Jesus’ death,any pagan(muhammed)claims himself as the prophet of God then why should we believe this false prophet?just show me only one rational reason.do not say that jeebril or Gabriel came to him and he gave him(muhammad )the final true book,Koran.according to muslims God is a person with very weak memory,who sent some words via prophets and later forget his own words!neither why your allah did not resend torah,psalms and gospels again if he did not forget all?islam is very weak and irrational religion with full of scientific and historical error and if koran is the word of God then surely God is an ignorant person like muhammed.But it is impossible so Koran is not the book of God.never.I observed that when muslims can not answer this type of questions then they ignore them.So accept my challenge and prove that Koran is God’s word and also answer me,if the previous books are also from God(allah?)then why did God send a new book and why he did not send these previous books?Did he really forget those words?Is he(GOD)a mental patient ?(only mental patients can forget his/her own words).or is God a conspirator and the enemy of human being,who consciously want to burn us forever in hell?

 

[planten]

this is not respect.This is honor coated dishonor. Lord Jesus does not need this type of honor from muslims and he is not crying for it.Jesus is not servant of your allah or any one,but the whole universe is the servant to Jesus.and if after 600 years of Jesus’ death,any pagan(muhammed)claims himself as the prophet of God then why should we believe this false prophet?just show me only one rational reason.do not say that jeebril or Gabriel came to him and he gave him(muhammad )the final true book,Koran.according to muslims God is a person with very weak memory,who sent some words via prophets and later forget his own words!neither why your allah did not resend torah,psalms and gospels again if he did not forget all?islam is very weak and irrational religion with full of scientific and historical error and if koran is the word of God then surely God is an ignorant person like muhammed.But it is impossible so Koran is not the book of God.never.I observed that when muslims can not answer this type of questions then they ignore them.So accept my challenge and prove that Koran is God’s word and also answer me,if the previous books are also from God(allah?)then why did God send a new book and why he did not send these previous books?Did he really forget those words?Is he(GOD)a mental patient ?(only mental patients can forget his/her own words).or is God a conspirator and the enemy of human being,who consciously want to burn us forever in hell?

**What type of honor does Jesus need? You are wrong in all your post above, blaming Islam and Muslims. Any kind of honor is useful. The way you are trying to homor Jesus is disgrace for him. It hurts him. The Jews do not honor him the way you want. The Muslims also do not do that. So you are on your own and alone trying to satisfy your false wishes (ego).

It is a sin to make a god out of a man or animal. Please see the OT and the Quran**.

 

[morning_star777]

**What type of honor does Jesus need? You are wrong in all your post above, blaming Islam and Muslims. Any kind of honor is useful. The way you are trying to homor Jesus is disgrace for him. It hurts him. The Jews do not honor him the way you want. The Muslims also do not do that. So you are on your own and alone trying to satisfy your false wishes (ego).

It is a sin to make a god out of a man or animal. Please see the OT and the Quran**.

This is not the answer of my question.Btw, if islam is doing wrong then should not I blame it?Here(In CAF ) you are the only muslim person who believe that non muslims will not go to hell .Even sister amy is always silent in this case.and except you and maybe except amy(I am not sure about her thoughts),here every muslim believe that non muslims will go to hell forever and in another thread,hamba2han assured me about it.so if I blame islam then it is for it’s(islam’s) mistake and bad attitude to non muslims and if I blame muslims then it is for your muslim brothers and sisters who always believe in those things what you deny always!Do not ask me but ask muslims,how many muslims think as you, dear planten?

 

[morning_star777]

Consciously I want to add some thing with in my previous post.See the red texts

This is not the answer of my question.Btw, if islam is doing wrong then should not I blame it?You are the only muslim person here in CAF and also I have ever seen,who believe that non muslims will not go to hell .Even sister amy is always silent in this case.and except you and maybe except amy(I am not sure about her thoughts),here every muslim believe that non muslims will go to hell forever and in another thread,hamba2han assured me about it.so if I blame islam then it is for it’s(islam’s) mistake and bad attitude to non muslims and if I blame muslims then it is for your muslim brothers and sisters who always believe in those things what you deny always!Do not ask me but ask muslims,how many muslims think as you, dear planten?

 

[morning_star777]

Consciously I want to edit some thing in my previous post.See the red texts

This is not the answer of my question.Btw, if islam is doing wrong then should not I blame it?You are the only muslim personI have ever seen,who believe that non muslims will not go to hell .Even sister amy is always silent in this case.and except you and maybe except amy(I am not sure about her thoughts),here every muslim believe that non muslims will go to hell forever and in another thread,hamba2han assured me about it.so if I blame islam then it is for it’s(islam’s) mistake and bad attitude to non muslims and if I blame muslims then it is for your muslim brothers and sisters who always believe in those things what you deny always!Do not ask me but ask muslims,how many muslims think as you, dear planten?

 

[morning_star777]

Consciously I want to edit some thing in my previous post.See the red texts

This is not the answer of my question.Btw, if islam is doing wrong then should not I blame it?You are the only muslim person I have ever seen,who believe that non muslims will not go to hell .Even sister amy is always silent in this case.and except you and maybe except amy(I am not sure about her thoughts),here every muslim believe that non muslims will go to hell forever and in another thread,hamba2han assured me about it.so if I blame islam then it is for it’s(islam’s) mistake and bad attitude to non muslims and if I blame muslims then it is for your muslim brothers and sisters who always believe in those things what you deny always!Do not ask me but ask muslims,how many muslims think as you, dear planten?

 

[mattkubes]

It is a sin to make a god out of a man or animal. Please see the OT and the Quran.

But it was not a sin for God to become a man. Honestly, Muslims put so many limitations on God…it reminds me of the way the Greeks gave theie pagan gods had human faults and limitations.

4000 years of salvation history prove you wrong. I don’t doubt that the Quran exists, but it was written by men as a tool to rule over neighbouring tribes. It was all about power, greed, and revenge (what does your book have to say about your prophet’s aunt and uncle? Refresh my memory).

 

[Sharp101]

Actually, the Bible says “It is impossible for God to lie.” You don’t believe the Bible is accurate anyway–what difference does it make to quote it to you or not?

Actually in the same Bible, God infact did lie and contradicts His own “inspiration” to the author of ‘Hebrews’.

In Genesis 2:17, we are told that God warned Adam not to eat the tree of knowledge, otherwise ***“for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”. ***

mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et0102.htm

Unimaginabley, God’s enemy (the Serpent/Satan) told Eva, the truth, that, she will not die. (Genesis 3:5)

Then what happened? Adam and Eve did not die on that day, but gained the knowledge of good and evil, on top of that. Again, the serpent was truthfull.

This raises an another question but very interesting one, and that is: if God of the Bible, lied to Adam then how should someone believe anything else He {God of the Bible) has said?

 

[mattkubes]

Actually in the same Bible, God infact did lie and contradicts His own “inspiration” to the author of ‘Hebrews’.

In Genesis 2:17, we are told that God warned Adam not to eat the tree of knowledge, otherwise ***“for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”. ***

mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et0102.htm

Unimaginabley, God’s enemy (the Serpent/Satan) told Eva, the truth, that, she will not die. (Genesis 3:5)

Then what happened? Adam and Eve did not die on that day, but gained the knowledge of good and evil, on top of that. Again, the serpent was truthfull.

This raises an another question but very interesting one, and that is: if God of the Bible, lied to Adam then how should someone believe anything else He {God of the Bible) has said?

Actually this just serves to reinforce my belief that Islam is a false ideology. Nowhere in these posts have I sensed a well developed notion of the spiritual aspects of human existence. Islam is quite literally “of this world” though, so that makes sense.

Anyways, Adam and Eve died in the spiritual sense, the sense that matters to our relationship with God. Because of this, they had to begin using the sacrificial system to atone for their sins. God did not lie - they died in the most serious way, and would have to wait for Jesus, our Lord, to return and restore them to life. God did not create us to live on the earth, and as an afterthought decided we could go to Heaven. No, we were created to spend eternity with God, but that was lost because of the serpent’s lie - lost until He came down, took on human flesh, and offered the perfect sacrifice. Your post reveals the weak theology behind your belief system.

Again, this should be obvious to anyone who thinks for themselves. Don’t just copy and paste.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Actually in the same Bible, God infact did lie and contradicts His own “inspiration” to the author of ‘Hebrews’.

In Genesis 2:17, we are told that God warned Adam not to eat the tree of knowledge, otherwise ***“for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”. ***

mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et0102.htm

Unimaginabley, God’s enemy (the Serpent/Satan) told Eva, the truth, that, she will not die. (Genesis 3:5)

Then what happened? Adam and Eve did not die on that day, but gained the knowledge of good and evil, on top of that. Again, the serpent was truthfull.

This raises an another question but very interesting one, and that is: if God of the Bible, lied to Adam then how should someone believe anything else He {God of the Bible) has said?

He did die. Becoming mortal, he was a walking corpse.

Just as the physical death is the separation of soul from body, St. Simeon the New Theologian points out that Adam died in that the Spirit of God which hereto had rested on him was separated from him. Just like the baptized becomes immortal, the promise the serpent made but could not make good on, although he will physically die, St. Simeon points out.

I’ll listen to him, and not to the serpent’s spokesman.

 

[Sharp101]

“Wherein God, meaning more abundantly to shew the heirs of the promise the immutability of his counsel, interposed an oath: that by two immutable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have the strongest comfort, we who have fled for refuge to hold fast the hope set before us. Which we have as an anchor of the soul, sure and firm, and which entereth in even within the veil: Where the forerunner Jesus is entered for us, made a high priest for ever according to the order of Melchisedech.” (Hebrews, ch. 6)

“Paul, a servant of God and apostle of Jesus Christ, in accordance with the faith of God’s elect and the full knowledge of the truth which is according to piety, in the hope of life everlasting which God, who does not lie, promised before the ages began.” (Titus 1:1,2)

“God is not man that he should speak falsely, nor human, that he should change his mind.” (Numbers 23:19)

Biblical saying “it is impossible for God to lie”, clearly contradicts it’s own another verse where Jesus is reported to have said:"…With men it is impossible; but not with God: for all things are possible with God." (Mark 10:27)

If ‘all’ means indeed ‘all’ then it includes 'lying, cheating, doing monkey tricks, …infinite things…

This is an another serious issue with the contents of the Bible.