Islam and the Virgin Birth of Jesus

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morning_star777 said:
Very poor logic.God created Adam and Eve as the 1st man and woman so they had no father.but remember,they had no mother also.
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Logically, unlike your Jesus, if Adam and Eve had no mother, then their birth without even a mother, is bigger miracle than your Jesus’ birth.

But to me, even our own birth, is no less miracle than the miraculous birth of Jesus.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
I’ll point out to sincere posters that the Man Christ prayed to God the Father, because the God Christ perfected the Man Christ because He is One God-Man, Son of Man and God the Son.
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Can any one understand what is said above. It may be true but what a complicated formula ! In one reading, nothing is understood and may not understand it even after many time reading it. Quite a puzzle to solve.
 
dzheremi said:
The Church Fathers who expanded upon the nature of the Trinity seemed to do a good job. I can’t outdo them, but luckily many of their writings are still with us, so we can still learn from them.

You misunderstand, sir. Christians of all denominations hold that the complete nature of God cannot be known to us as humans. So the Trinity said to be a “mystery”, not because we cannot explain it at all, but because God by His very nature is unknowable to us here on earth. Doesn’t the Quran say about God that "“No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things” (Qur’an 6:103)? So why are you asking about explaining God, or getting upset when Christians admit that we cannot truly grasp Him in His complete nature?

To my understanding, God is praying because Jesus is fully God AND fully man in the hypostatic union. Unless you are talking to non-Chalcedonian Christians (for example, Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Christians), this is probably the answer you will get. What does it mean for Jesus to be fully God and fully man? Well, for the purposes of our discussion, it means He is tempted. This is why He prays to His Father, who is God the Father (the first of the Trinity), for strength to resist His temptations, since “the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
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No, the Ethiopians and the other Non-Chalcedonians are of like opinion with us on this question.
 
planten said:
Niether the Quran is wrong nor I am wrong. I said “Quran does not say Jesus was born without a father.”. That is true and correct.
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Evidently you have to deny the Quran to uphold the Quran.:eek:
 
Isa_Almisry said:
So was Mary lying in the Quran, when she said she was not unchaste, had no husband and yet ended up pregmant?

You have to do more than look to get pregnant, but I’ll let your mother explain that to you.😛
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** No need to get worried or be violent. I do not deny that Mary was virgin. She was virgin. But there are many kinds of people here who take virginity into longer life.

Instead of posing more questions, you could have described teh virgin or told me that my definition was correct.

Mary was not lying. She was chast. So what?**
 
Sharp101 said:
It has to do with your Bible. It is a very IMPORTANT issue for Jews and you as well because your God himself got circumcised. Otherwise:

"… The uncircumcised male whose foreskin has not been circumcised, shall have his soul cut off from his people; he has broken my Covenant" (Genesis 17:1-14)

Since St. Paul was a Jew and a Pharisee as per his own admission, he must have taken Timothy’s penis in his mouth while circumcising him. Timothy was not a baby, though. He was a grown Greek man. This thing was KOSHER for Paul.​
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Ah, now I see where you were going with this. Quite the fixation you have there.
If you bothered to look the procedure to stop the bleeding of an infant is not used on a grown man. But then, you’re not interested in facts.
Sharp101 said:
Your God (Jesus) to be born needed the power of holy spirit?

What in a helpless God indeed you beleive in, who has no power even to his own birth, let alone other things who “is of his ownself can do nothing”. He could not even perform his own circumcision when he was 8 days old baby.

But yet same Lord will shave hair between your legs!!! as per your Catholic Bible (Isaiah 7:20).
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Yes, quite the fixation.

Of course, you ignore that Muhammad had much too say about your final topic too.

The SpIrit is One in Essence with the Father and Son, so yes, God conceived Himself.

As for Christ’s circumcision, He could have done it, but He humbled Himself. It’s a humility thing, you wouldn’t understand.
 
Sharp101 said:
Jesus’ relationship with the Father?

You mean there are TWO Gods? One who is called the father and other who is called his Son?

Now is “His Son” sitting on the right side of who? The father? So there are TWO GODs in heaven sitting? Are they look alike?
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Just like “Allah,” “the Beneficient” and “the Merciful.”
 
dzheremi said:
Oh, okay. I have apparently misunderstood the nature of their objections to the Council, then. Thanks, Isa.
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You’re not the only one: we find out over a thousand years later that we had transaltion problems.
 
Americanrevert said:
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by Isa

Sincere posters they may be…but are you really sincere in actually saying that Jesus the Man Christ whom yall take as 1/3 God, prayed to the other 1/3 God the Father because He perfected 1/3 of Himself…so that would make him the imperfect 2/3’s God…so what happened to the last 1/3? How can you have perfection when you leave out what you claim as one whole? The Holy Spirit is what?
God-man…amazing…why do yall think mankind is worthy of breaking up God into parts? ***He’s always been ONE SUPREME BEING…who Created man, not the opposite. 🙂
:confused: 🤷

I’m suprised you can do fractions since you obsviously failed multiplication: 1x1x1=1.
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Hmmm. I will have to do some additional reading on this subject. Can you recommend anything specific?
 
planten said:
** No need to get worried or be violent. I do not deny that Mary was virgin. She was virgin. But there are many kinds of people here who take virginity into longer life.

Instead of posing more questions, you could have described teh virgin or told me that my definition was correct.

Mary was not lying. She was chast. So what?**
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So she was a virgin. No physical contact or visual for that matter, with a man. Ever.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
So she was a virgin. No physical contact or visual for that matter, with a man. Ever.
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Yes true, if you do not extend it into far future or into forever. That would be debatable. We will take the opinion of various branches of the christians and then we will give our opinion.
 
planten said:
Yes true, if you do not extend it into far future or into forever. That would be debatable. We will take the opinion of various branches of the christians and then we will give our opinion.
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That’s not the question. So now that you admit that Jesus was born of a virgin…I thought it would never happen…who was His father, and what traits did he inherit from him?
 
planten said:
** I am sorry. When you say that Father is a God, when you say Jesus is a God, when you say holy spirit is a god too, then what can I say? With all those gods, I have to say that you believe Jesus as a god.**
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Since we do not say that Jesus is a god, your argument is silly and worthless. 😉
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, for your viewing pleasure, we have the AMAZING MUSLIMS! They dodge! THe dance! You’ve never seen escapes like these! Be mystified as they avoid even the most simple question! Gasp in awe as they change the subject DURING their own posts!

Come one, come all! Worth more than the price of admission!

WHO IS HIS DADDY AND WHAT DID HE INHERIT FROM HIM?
 
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