Islam As a Pagan Religion

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I don’t think they’re doing quite well as far as consistent doctrine. That is, anything can appear to do well that does not commit to anything and fashions things after its own whims. But to maintain univeral doctrine would break any other religion apart.

In that sense, they are not religions per say. For there are differences among the protestants…differences so great that one might not call them the same religion except that they mention Christ and are not Catholic. The same is present in Buddhism and Hinduism, although I don’t know much about Shinto.

God bless.
Trying to maintain a universal doctrine is exactly what broke Christianity apart (if one subscribes to the myth that there was a singular set of doctrines believed by all who identified themselves as Christian at any given point in time). Nice to know that you don’t consider even non-Catholic Christians to have a religion.
 
The Church maintains a universal doctrine. Christianity didn’t break apart; impatient and rebellious hearts did though.
 
The Church maintains a universal doctrine. Christianity didn’t break apart; impatient and rebellious hearts did though.
It is not a surprise that a single denomination within a religion maintains a universal doctrine—that’s pretty much the definition of a denomination (“a religious organization whose congregations are united in their adherence to its beliefs and practices”). The same could be said for many denominations of many religions. However, if one looks back at the plethora of Christian writings (see earlychristianwritings.com/ for a start), it is obvious that there has never been a single, monolithic understanding of what Christianity is in its entirety, one agreed to by all those who claim to follow Christ, not even in the early days. Paul himself addressed a variety of differences of doctrine in his letters. The very Apostles did not have a unified view even while they were with Jesus on what constituted the doctrines and requirements of this new religion. Various groups at various times have sifted through those to say what is and is not orthodox according to their standards, but Christianity is no more immune to factions than any other religion.
 
None of those actions are justified by Scripture despite their being done.

These passages should do for a start, though one could go further:

Deut 2: 31-36
Deut 3: 1-7
Deut 7: 1-6
Deut. 20: 10-18
Joshua 8: 1-2, 24-27
Joshua 9: 28-42
Joshua 11: 12-23
Numbers 31
1 Samuel 15: 2-11
2 Kings 3:19
2 Chronicles 14:8-15

If anyone does not have access to a copy of the Bible, try www.biblegateway.com and take your choice of translations. Most don’t include the Apocrypha, but as I haven’t touched on anything from there in this list, that shouldn’t be an issue. If you have a preferred online Catholic Bible, of course, that should work as well.

I am not excusing the unjust actions of Catholics, Christians, or any faith. If those actions were/are being done today in the name of my faith I would object most vocally.

Good. I am not excusing them, but neither am I claiming they never existed nor that they were not recorded as done at the express command of the same God worshipped by Christians, Jews and Muslims.
I can’t recall Karen are you a theist or what religion are you?
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As I have said before, I am not a Muslim (I am a Catholic), and I am not an apologist for Islam, but some of you people have no idea what you are talking about.

Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, which is Arabic for “the God” (as opposed to various deities). The Muslims have a different theology than Catholics, but they are actually closer to Christianity than Judiasm, since they recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet (which the Jews do not), but they deny His divinity.

Islam was considered a Christian heresy. I don’t know where some of you people get your information.

I spent a few years in Islamic countries (not Iran or Saudi Arabia), and found the Muslims to be very decent people. What particularly impressed me is how serious they take their religion compared to some “Catholics”. In all of my travels, I never experienced any hostility toward Christianity. For that reason, I can’t understand why I see such animosity toward Muslims.

The terrorists in the Middle East are a small percentage of the general population. It is the typical Muslim who is being targeted by the terrorists. Turn off your TV and turn on your brain!

ابو كمون
 
As I have said before, I am not a Muslim (I am a Catholic), and I am not an apologist for Islam, but some of you people have no idea what you are talking about.

Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, which is Arabic for “the God” (as opposed to various deities). The Muslims have a different theology than Catholics, but they are actually closer to Christianity than Judiasm, since they recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet (which the Jews do not), but they deny His divinity.

Islam was considered a Christian heresy. I don’t know where some of you people get your information.

I spent a few years in Islamic countries (not Iran or Saudi Arabia), and found the Muslims to be very decent people. What particularly impressed me is how serious they take their religion compared to some “Catholics”. In all of my travels, I never experienced any hostility toward Christianity. For that reason, I can’t understand why I see such animosity toward Muslims.

The terrorists in the Middle East are a small percentage of the general population. It is the typical Muslim who is being targeted by the terrorists. Turn off your TV and turn on your brain!

ابو كمون
I have an open mind and an open heart and am not without a brain as far as I know.
What is their intimate name for God?
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Comparing Islam, with a mandate of world conquest, with anicent Judaism is grasping at straws to the point of stupidity. The idea they engaged in genocide is equally foolish. God promised a very small (and exceptionally tiny when compared to the earth’s surface) peice of land to the Israelites. The Caanites were not exterminated, Christ himself interacted with them and the Sarmatians were the decendants of mixed marriages between them and Israelites. As for those that did meet with God’s disfavor, human sacraficing cultures have always tended to come to nasty ends. Given the gods of the region it is more than likely that these people were taking part in human sacrafice. The choice to exterminate these practices was only logical, least the Israelites fall into them. Rather prophetic as from time to time the Israelites did take up with pagan gods.
 
The terrorists in the Middle East are a small percentage of the general population. It is the typical Muslim who is being targeted by the terrorists. Turn off your TV and turn on your brain!

ابو كمون
What %?
 
Polling data shows 25-30 percent of the Muslim world is involved with or is supportive of terrorism. The media tosses around the word “minority” to make it appear that radical Muslims are like KKK members or Neo-Nazi’s in the west. The reality is Muslim terrorists enjoy support and funding from a board range of the Islamic population. While average Muslims may not be accepting suicide missions they are more than willing to listen to a hateful sermon in a mosque and then go randomly attack members of religious minorities.
 
Islam is a monotheistic religion, like Judaism and Christianity. Muslims differ from Jews and Christians in terms of their holy scripture and some ideas about what God is (for Muslims God is not a Trinity of Three Persons in one God) but otherwise their reflections on God, if you examine their theological and philosophical literature, are very similar to those of Judaism and Christianity (minus the discussions about Jesus).

I am not sure what ‘paganism’ here means, but if it means polytheism, then Islam is definitely not pagan; it is a monotheism, and an extremely strong monotheism.

Muslims deny the Trinity mainly because they see it as introducing plurarity into the Godhead, which is strictly One in terms of its Being, and like the Jews, they have a lot of problems with the notion a man could be united with the divine. (Though some forms of Sufi mysticism are more flexible on this).
 
I can’t recall Karen are you a theist or what religion are you?
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As Verismilitude pointed out earlier, and as listed on my public profile, I am not only a theist, I am a polytheist, an Hellenic Polytheist Unitarian Universalist to be more precise (or as precise as such labels can be). That, however, really doesn’t impact errors of fact in an argument about Christian or Jewish history, including theological history. The verses I listed from you own sacred Scripture speak well enough for themselves.
 
Polling data shows 25-30 percent of the Muslim world is involved with or is supportive of terrorism. The media tosses around the word “minority” to make it appear that radical Muslims are like KKK members or Neo-Nazi’s in the west. The reality is Muslim terrorists enjoy support and funding from a board range of the Islamic population. While average Muslims may not be accepting suicide missions they are more than willing to listen to a hateful sermon in a mosque and then go randomly attack members of religious minorities.
How does 25% of the population turn into “average Muslims…go randomly attack members of religious minorities”?

Here’s a Harris poll that shows that 90% of the US Catholics polled support birth control/contraception, 93% support condom use to prevent STDS, 66% support funding of international birth control programs, and 56% support abortion rights. Does that mean that the “average Catholic” is automatically having abortions as a form of birth control, even the “average Catholic” in the US?
harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=608
 
As I have said before, I am not a Muslim (I am a Catholic), and I am not an apologist for Islam, but some of you people have no idea what you are talking about.
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I should hope you would be an apologist for your Catholic Faith**

Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, which is Arabic for “the God” (as opposed to various deities). It also means supreme being according to doc dictionary The Muslims have a different theology than Catholics, but they are actually closer to Christianity than Judiasm, since they recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet (which the Jews do not), but they deny His divinity.Closer ? But not quite? I think they deny any divinity don’t they?

Islam was considered a Christian heresy. **
So are they not in heresy anymore? **I don’t know where some of you people get your information.

I spent a few years in Islamic countries (not Iran or Saudi Arabia), and found the Muslims to be very decent people. What particularly impressed me is how serious they take their religion compared to some “Catholics”. In all of my travels, I never experienced any hostility toward Christianity. For that reason, I can’t understand why I see such animosity toward Muslims.
This is a non-Catholic forum on a Catholic forum so things will get a little disagreeable, we can agree to disagree.

The terrorists in the Middle East are a small percentage of the general population. It is the typical Muslim who is being targeted by the terrorists. Turn off your TV and turn on your brain!
I do watch too much TV but not the news so much

ابو كمون
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I have lived and worked in KSA for couple of years. Yes, there are some decent Muslims and some aren’t. The Saudis are more hostile to sub-continent Christian i.e. Indian and Pakistani and Filipino than “white” Christian. They know they could get away with murders. If you are a Western, they tend to leave you alone unless you do something outrageous.
I spent a few years in Islamic countries (not Iran or Saudi Arabia), and found the Muslims to be very decent people. What particularly impressed me is how serious they take their religion compared to some “Catholics”. In all of my travels, I never experienced any hostility toward Christianity. For that reason, I can’t understand why I see such animosity toward Muslims.

The terrorists in the Middle East are a small percentage of the general population. It is the typical Muslim who is being targeted by the terrorists. Turn off your TV and turn on your brain!

ابو كمون
 
I have lived and worked in KSA for couple of years. Yes, there are some decent Muslims and some aren’t. The Saudis are more hostile to sub-continent Christian i.e. Indian and Pakistani and Filipino than “white” Christian. They know they could get away with murders. If you are a Western, they tend to leave you alone unless you do something outrageous.
So are they in a civil war and have they (violent muslims) I don’t know the name, I am just reading about all this , bringing this civil war to us. ie WTC

On another note ; Catholic is monotheistic (and I know who is going to get back at me for this) and this is from the wiki

"In a wee-established sense, Pagnism is the belief in any non-monotheistic religion, which would mean that the Pythagoreans of ancient Greece would not be considered Pagan in that sense, since they were monotheist, but not in the Abrahamic traditioon.

The term (Pagonism) can be defined broadly, to encompass the faith traditons outside the Abrahamic monotheistic group of Judaism,Christianity and Islam.

Since th later 20th century, however the words “Pagan” is a Christian adaption of the “Gentile” of Judahism and as such has an inherent …

For this reason, ethnologists avoid the term"Paganism"…preferring more precise catagories such as poytheism, shamanism , pantheism or animism.
So Karen put that in your cookies

Catholic is not polytheism!
 
lol i see many idiots here talk without any proof ,prophets got proofs on their prophecy but idiots here think that they are greater than prophets 😃
 
lol i see many idiots here talk without any proof ,prophets got proofs on their prophecy but idiots here think that they are greater than prophets 😃
Hey that is not nice! 🙂 We’re not lawyers you know!

I thought this was just a nice friendly conversation, if want a real
lol I go read the astorology charts for my sign for the month.

I do have a question though, did Mohammad really have a daughter named Fatimah?
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