Islam as a "religion" and not an Ideology.

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According to the Islamic Party of Britain, it would be a crime to persecute or “insult” Islamism. “religions have to be protected from being exposed to vicious attacks and insults.”
islamicparty.com/policies/religious.htm
…I wonder if that would also include “insulting” Islamic law…? I would assume it would. Which means it would be a crime to insult the Islamic Party of Britain if they ever became the dominant party.
 
According to the Islamic Party of Britain, it would be a crime to persecute or “insult” Islamism. “religions have to be protected from being exposed to vicious attacks and insults.”
islamicparty.com/policies/religious.htm
“Whilst accepting that different people may have different perceptions of the truth, the truth as such remains undivided, and Muslims will for all times maintain that they have in the Qur’an and the life example of the prophet Muhammad”

When one believes they have reached the absolute truth there is no turning back. The question to me is how in reality that corresponds with tolerance of others and religious tolerance, and implementation, and then further Sharia law which encapsulates the entire concept, for the Sunni then Shite thinking here we should listen to whom?

“does not mean that we concede to the relativistic folly of multiculturalism which tries to ignore that truth by its very nature is absolute and exclusive.”

Sounds innocent enough, yet these kind of statements could also be defined in the period of social transition as we are seeing. Sadly the good muslim becomes subjected also. Very high percent are no different that you and I, mosque, family, carrer. But the percent with the prevailing tyranny is daily news. There is very little tolerance in many areas. Also isn’t to say places such as the Mexican border areas haven’t been explosive, but that is crime calling itself crime.
 
Whats that mean? Try it you’ll like it? 🙂

Interesting thought we should expand on and tie that into ideal. Are you saying many find the fruit pleasing to the eye and desirable? Oh and surprised?

Further thought though is “died without fear” yup, that reached the “solid food” part of the conversation. 😉 How does that tie in with your view of submission, and what this other, don’t what your call him[apology], said here…

“Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology "

I’ll assume this next part is correct?

“Islam requires the earth—not just a portion, but the whole planet”.

Follow?
still in Koran we used to way tell people about Islam ,
#1 tell the fruits
#2 tell the Consequences
and no i don’t mean Consequences like “if you won’t be a Muslim we shall kill you”
the death problems is the Biggest issue that any person may have , still the Islam told us Don’t afraid to die cause all of you will , but if you was on the side than you have nothing to be afraid
Islam is peace eve if Muslim didn’t work in it
look at the fact when the Crusades came no one will admit that they are following the Bible words its not pure biblical teaches
so not all Muslims action is an Islamic teaches
 
Moodset, welcome to Catholic Answers Forums! 🙂
I agree that it is a good thing to not fear death. 👍
thx 🙂
we finely agreed on something 😃
anyhow if you look in the Koran farther you will find so much in common
not the stories of the prophet but the kind and Full of Mercy word like the bible
 
thx 🙂
we finely agreed on something 😃
anyhow if you look in the Koran farther you will find so much in common
not the stories of the prophet but the kind and Full of Mercy word like the bible
Yes. The Bible (God’s word) already stated so many things. Is there anything new that Quran can “teach”?

MJ
 
Yes. The Bible (God’s word) already stated so many things. Is there anything new that Quran can “teach”?

MJ
its teach a way to live , like :

Surat Al-'A`rāf

O children of Adam, take your adornment at every masjid, and eat and drink, but be not excessive. Indeed, He likes not those who commit excess. (7:31)

Say, “Who has forbidden the adornment of Allah which He has produced for His servants and the good [lawful] things of provision?” Say, “They are for those who believe during the worldly life [but] exclusively for them on the Day of Resurrection.” Thus do We detail the verses for a people who know. (7:32)

Say, “My Lord has only forbidden immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed - and sin, and oppression without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know.” (7:33)

and like :

Surat Al-Baqarah “2”
“And spend in the way of Allah and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.” (2:195)
there is more than i can type of new things that Koran teach
you don’t know that cause most of you toke what your priests said and don’t read it
 
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look at the fact when the Crusades came no one will admit that they are following the Bible words its not pure biblical teaches
~ snip
Do you know who or what started the Crusades…?

What was the cause - why were they needed…?
 
Do you know who or what started the Crusades…?

What was the cause - why were they needed…?
i’ll start with the gold and the land and Finish in the The spoils of war undercover of the cross’s name
the Pope Gregory start it as a religion war and Pope Urban with Peter the Hermit gains’s Trillions of Trillions Rating for our time
peter who run all over Europe To make the European men Go and have a religion war
the shame of these wars can’t change I Don’t think its peaceful to defined it
while all of Muslims wars was feeding in these standers “Don’t kill No women and No old Man and No Child , neither Don’t cut a tree”
“all of you who put his sword down is save , anyone who Enters his home is save”
and each land we have control of has been The most educated and sciences land
we not have war to kill that’s what you all think
you are what you eat and you are what you read
read from the both side and have your judgment in fair 🙂
 
not all Muslims action is an Islamic teaching
That conversation about death without fear That sounds like a common ground conversation with Islam/Christianity for the future.

But when you say the Muslims action is not an Islamic teaching. How does that relate for example to what we see in Iran? Christianity has no nuclear missiles.

I do believe you don’t read that into your life from the Quran. But there are large groups in various areas who do.
 
i’ll start with the gold and the land and Finish in the The spoils of war undercover of the cross’s name
the Pope Gregory start it as a religion war and Pope Urban with Peter the Hermit gains’s Trillions of Trillions Rating for our time
peter who run all over Europe To make the European men Go and have a religion war
the shame of these wars can’t change I Don’t think its peaceful to defined it
while all of Muslims wars was feeding in these standers “Don’t kill No women and No old Man and No Child , neither Don’t cut a tree”
“all of you who put his sword down is save , anyone who Enters his home is save”
and each land we have control of has been The most educated and sciences land
we not have war to kill that’s what you all think
you are what you eat and you are what you read
read from the both side and have your judgment in fair 🙂
I have no idea what your message or reply is: :confused:

It was because of the 400+ years of muslim invasion on Christian lands.
 
its teach a way to live , like :

Surat Al-'A`rāf

O children of Adam, take your adornment at every masjid, and eat and drink, but be not excessive. Indeed, He likes not those who commit excess. (7:31)

Say, “Who has forbidden the adornment of Allah which He has produced for His servants and the good [lawful] things of provision?” Say, “They are for those who believe during the worldly life [but] exclusively for them on the Day of Resurrection.” Thus do We detail the verses for a people who know. (7:32)

Say, “My Lord has only forbidden immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed - and sin, and oppression without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know.” (7:33)

and like :

Surat Al-Baqarah “2”
“And spend in the way of Allah and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.” (2:195)
there is more than i can type of new things that Koran teach
you don’t know that cause most of you toke what your priests said and don’t read it
This is the way we are supposed to live: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

Matthew 22:37-40

7 centuries later the Qur’an comes…thanks but not for me.
 
That conversation about death without fear That sounds like a common ground conversation with Islam/Christianity for the future.

But when you say the Muslims action is not an Islamic teaching. How does that relate for example to what we see in Iran? Christianity has no nuclear missiles.

I do believe you don’t read that into your life from the Quran. But there are large groups in various areas who do.
sure its common cause they both from God
#1 i Dont Believe that Iran is on the straight path they more like you Christians , some Shea’s Do worship Ali Bin Abo talib , as you worship Yeshua we Believe That
any How i in personal opinion
there is no right to USA or any Country to Invade any Country
what Do you mean Christians Have No nuclear Missiles ? , you guys Invented it !
 
This is the way we are supposed to live: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

Matthew 22:37-40

7 centuries later the Qur’an comes…thanks but not for me.
old testament , new Testament How many years was between them ?
and why the Jews don’t Believe in the new Testament ?
its the same reason you don’t Believe in the last Testament
 
I have no idea what your message or reply is: :confused:

It was because of the 400+ years of muslim invasion on Christian lands.
am talking About whats start the cross wars , its still to the moment by the way
Just in Different name , “Freedom” i think its name should be “Oil”
what Do you mean ?
what Christians land ?
its was always an Arabic lands Before Jesus Even came
am telling you History , you may have to read it !
 
sure its common cause they both from God
#1 i Dont Believe that Iran is on the straight path they more like you Christians , some Shea’s Do worship Ali Bin Abo talib , as you worship Yeshua we Believe That
any How i in personal opinion
there is no right to USA or any Country to Invade any Country
what Do you mean Christians Have No nuclear Missiles ? , you guys Invented it !
Actually Iran, they are muslim, so that would make them more like muslims, They also embrace Sharia Law as you do? Not a Christian concept, Islamic for sure.

The USA=separation of Church and State, The State operates outside of Church authority and is its own authority implemented by the people to include the freedoms and rights of all individuals regardless of ethnic, social, physical limitations, religion or race barriers.

Sharia Law does not do this in any country. Appears totalitarian from where I’m sitting. Where in the world is this working out? For example those who follow your specific aspect of Islam, where could we view this country?

So no Christianity is in no physical war with anyone, nor does it have a military or weapons.
 
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