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prodigal-sun
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Not to be diagreeable but I thought your question was kinda answered in post seven of the thread you linked to.
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Aydan
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at the time I wrote this no Muslims had responded to my questions so when I noticed there were Muslims on this thread that’s when I asked the question here and then linked to my thread. I did so so that I could ask more in depth questions without disrupting this thread and taking it off topic.
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chrisse
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There is also his regret that Europe was a Judeo/Christian civilisation and not an Islamic one, because Islam produces obsessed fighters.
He also was comfortable with his Final Solution, as the world ignored the genocide of the Armenians by the Islamic Ottoman turks.
I’m off to work, so haven’t linked to these. Maybe someone else can find them. They are on the internet.
Hitler was very aware and impressed with Islam’s ideology. He was not a muslim, nor Christian. He just wanted to kill and control - like Islam and those who follow it.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
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R_not
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I just ordered the book. I have been totally interested in this and have used that time in history as reference quite often so I figured the book would be helpful.
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ferdie
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I think you are going to like it. There are parts of the book that I question, but overall, it is eye-opening. I want the radical muslims review of this book. I want to know which part will they deny or own up.
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R_not
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If those parts have references - look them up. Do some research on them.
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ferdie
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I wish I have time to research. Even if I have time there are so many things I’d like to do. On the other hand you seem t be a good research person.With all those sites you are putting here, I just wish our muslims posters will get the time to read them.
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R_not
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Let me know, if you remember, what parts you had questions about - when I get the book I will look to see if I can find the references.I wish I have time to research. Even if I have time there are so many things I’d like to do. On the other hand you seem t be a good research person.With all those sites you are putting here, I just wish our muslims posters will get the time to read them.
I am retired and have time to spare. So, I read a lot (and RV and paint/draw!!). If you don’t remember that is ok too. It might be awhile before I get back to you though since I haven’t even gotten the book yet.
If you want, send me a private message if you remember any of the parts you have some doubt about.
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ferdie
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Chapter 4 The Mufti’s Reflection; What if Germany Had Conquered Palestine and Britain? I am not a writer or a book critic, but it seems counterproductive to put a chapter like this in his book. He could have just expounded more the roles of the Bosnian Muslims in the Waffen -SS.
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R_not
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okee dokee - I cut/pasted this in a note to me.
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swariffin
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My point was :
Hitler may have some idea about Islam, but not much.
He certainly was not a Muslim.
He should have known much that whatever political leader called (emperor, king, president, sultan, even fuhrer) can be overthrown. But, a prophet cannot be overthrown.
If Hitler agreed with Muhammad completely, He would have declared himself a prophet just like Muhammad did. That should be easy. According to Muhammad, you can declare yourself to be visited and dictated heavenly words by Gabriel. No need for any witness whatsoever. Next, claim that whatever writing you come out to be the word of God, and declare whatever holybook in this world are corrupted word of God. As long as you have faithful followers, you can do it. Hitler did have many faithful followers.
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Chris_LaRock
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Not to get off topic, but how close do most muslims think the arrival of their messah?
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Reuben_J
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:sad_yes: :frighten:
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Muslim_Woman
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And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. ( chapter 43: verse 61)
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Jesus (p) will come before the End time. Prophet Muhammed (p) predicted several signs of the end time . Many things are happening now a day. May be , end time is near & only God knows Best.
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. ( chapter 43: verse 61)
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Chris_LaRock
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I’m talking about the muslim messiah. The Imam mahdi. I’m not sure if I’m spelling that correctly, but form what I have heard the muslim messiah is supposed to have a broad forehead, a prominant nose, and will be a direct descendant of Mohammed.
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Jesus (p) is the Massiash (p). Imam Mehedi is not mentioned in Quran . Regarding Hadith , before end time , Dajjal ( anti Christ ) will be in earth , he will start killing Muslims & create unrest in the world. Then Imam Mehedi will arrive to fight anti Christ but won’t be able to kill him . Then Jesus (p) will come & by the will of God , he will kill anti Christ.
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Chris_LaRock
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I thought muslims teach that Jesus is only a prophet, and inferior to Mohammed. Why would God send a minor prophet to earth to judge us and be messiah? Wouldn’t it make more sense, from a muslim perspective, if Mohammed was choses to do this?
And, why aren’t Muslims Christians if they think Jesus is Messiah?
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Aydan
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Muslims do believe that Jesus is only a prophet but they call him Messiah because they believe although he wasn’t begotten from God his birth was still a miracle. According to Islam it is not Jesus who will be the final judge it is God himself. I actually heard a Muslim say that God will actually ask Jesus if he told people to worship him and they claim that Jesus will say no I never told them to do that and they claim that Jesus never actually said he was the son of God they claim he only said he was a Son of Man. Actually I heard a Muslim say that every prayer said to Jesus on the day of judgment will be worthless and as he put it blow away like tissue paper. I guess with the implication being we are all going to hell because we prayed to Jesus as the son of God so that’s why Muslims are not Christian and it’s also why I am not a Muslim. There is also one more important distinction here Muslims believe that Jesus was only sent to bring the message of God to the Jewish people and not anyone else and they claim that is why God sent Mohammed as a final messenger to bring the message of God in the form of the Koran to everyone who is not Jewish. By the way I heard all this from a former Christian who converted to Islam so that’s how I know all of this information. The guy tries to convince people to leave Christianity and become Muslim.
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planten
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**The subject is drifting to the coming of the Messiah. That is mentioned in the Hadith with an oath of Allah that Messaih (son of Maryam) wiil come in the Ummah of Muhammad. But the rest of that Hadith indicates that it will not be the same Messiah (Jesus son of Mary). It will be some one else from the Ummah of Muhammad.
This can easily be proved by seeing the words of that authentic Hadith. All the works mentioned in that hadith about the coming of the Messiah are symbolic (not literal). So Messiah is also symbolic. The prophet told his companions “By the One in whose hands is my life, Surely the Isa son of Mary will land amongst YOU…” That word you is also symbolic because it does not mean the companions of the prophet.
About Imam Mahdi, it is necessary to know that Mahdi will not wage any bloody war. Also, the Hadith that I mentioned above tells that when the Messiah will come then there will be no wars (Yadha al Harb.). It does not mean that there will be no wars after a big battle with the anti-christ.
So the proper Islamic teachings are telling that the same old Jesus, the messenger of God to the Israelis, will never come back in this rotten world again. He was a Messiah to the Israelis. Now only a Messiah is needed for the muslims and he will be from the muslim Ummah. It is the Muslims who are mostly misled. So they need guidance. The other nations will also be guided in time when Muslims are guided. (More later).**
This can easily be proved by seeing the words of that authentic Hadith. All the works mentioned in that hadith about the coming of the Messiah are symbolic (not literal). So Messiah is also symbolic. The prophet told his companions “By the One in whose hands is my life, Surely the Isa son of Mary will land amongst YOU…” That word you is also symbolic because it does not mean the companions of the prophet.
About Imam Mahdi, it is necessary to know that Mahdi will not wage any bloody war. Also, the Hadith that I mentioned above tells that when the Messiah will come then there will be no wars (Yadha al Harb.). It does not mean that there will be no wars after a big battle with the anti-christ.
So the proper Islamic teachings are telling that the same old Jesus, the messenger of God to the Israelis, will never come back in this rotten world again. He was a Messiah to the Israelis. Now only a Messiah is needed for the muslims and he will be from the muslim Ummah. It is the Muslims who are mostly misled. So they need guidance. The other nations will also be guided in time when Muslims are guided. (More later).**
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planten
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**The original post was about the Muslims taking over the world. I know that the Muslims have many wrong beliefs and notions. All they need is a freedom to practice their faith fully without any restrictions. But at the same time the Muslims should not try for any political upheaval. In fact they need not organise against any established Government.
If ever they do, they will be in much trouble. It would be illegal to do any subversive act. They need not demand anything in the western countries but rather accept whatever is offered and whatever is allowed. They are like guests in those countries. It is not fit for any guest to demand anything. I will soon describe another scenerio, different to the one that OP had presented. (Continued…)**
If ever they do, they will be in much trouble. It would be illegal to do any subversive act. They need not demand anything in the western countries but rather accept whatever is offered and whatever is allowed. They are like guests in those countries. It is not fit for any guest to demand anything. I will soon describe another scenerio, different to the one that OP had presented. (Continued…)**
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