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deb1 said:
Christians have the same desire, to follow God’s law. America, although predominately Christian is not a Christian country. America is secular. Also, I think that many Christians would rather a person follow God’s laws from love not because we force them to do so.
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My opinion is that it is fear and love! I think it is preferable to follow God’s commandment out of love, but fear works too.
After all Jesus said, “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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It means Muslims want to follow their holy book , they are trying to follow the commands of God Almighty .

Sinners fear that they will be punished under Islamic laws. If we don’t punish sinners , sin will be spread in the society . So , if gay people fear punishment & that keeps them away from gay parade , what’s wrong with that ? At least , they can’t encourage others openly to commit the sin.
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jastor said:
What drew you to Islam and away from christianity?
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How We Came To Embrace Islam

American, Khadija Evans, who experimented with umpteen Christian denominations, atheism and even Wicca tells how her post-September 11 investigations of Islam led first herself then her husband to their final spiritual home.

…I had entered the Catholic religion with the same philosophy that I had once heard Alcoholics Anonymous has, “Bring your body, your mind will follow.”

I didn’t really believe in God, or in the core teachings of the Catholic Church, but I wanted so badly to believe in a power higher then myself, that I went faithfully to Mass 7 days a week, hoping that somehow I would start to believe. But after several months, I began to realize that it wasn’t going to happen, and my Mass attendance became a once a week thing, then once a month

…On September 11, 2001 I was sitting at my computer…I was devastated. I couldn’t understand how a religion could promote such violence, as the media was saying Islam did. It made no sense to me. So I decided to find out for myself. One way or another I wanted to know the truth

…By studying Islam I found the answers that the media wasn’t telling us and I came to know that Islam is the True Religion. Alhumdulilah! I read a lot of convincing evidence, but the things that proved to me that there is a god, and that Islam is the True Religion and that that the Qu’ran is the Word of God, were those in the Qu’ran itself. The things that are of a scientific nature. Things that have been discovered by scientists only in the last 100 years. The only one who could have known those things 1400 years ago was God.

For example, one day I was at a web site that was about some of the scientific proofs in the Qur’an. One of the verses in the Qur’an tells about the death of our own solar system.

Al-Rahman 37-38 “When the sky is torn apart, so it was (like) a red rose like ointment. Then which of the favors of your lord will you deny?”

There was a link that went to the NASA web site.

antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap991031.html

When I clicked the link I had no idea what was going to be on the next page, but what I saw took my breath away. Tears came to my eyes. I knew - if I had had any doubts left - I knew at the moment, that Islam is the True Religion of God. Mash’allah!



islamfortoday.com/evans01.htm
 
Muslim_Woman said:
** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

http://theislampath.com/smf/Smileys/default/salam.gif

How We Came To Embrace Islam

American, Khadija Evans, who experimented with umpteen Christian denominations, atheism and even Wicca tells how her post-September 11 investigations of Islam led first herself then her husband to their final spiritual home.

…I had entered the Catholic religion with the same philosophy that I had once heard Alcoholics Anonymous has, “Bring your body, your mind will follow.”

I didn’t really believe in God, or in the core teachings of the Catholic Church, but I wanted so badly to believe in a power higher then myself, that I went faithfully to Mass 7 days a week, hoping that somehow I would start to believe. But after several months, I began to realize that it wasn’t going to happen, and my Mass attendance became a once a week thing, then once a month

…On September 11, 2001 I was sitting at my computer…I was devastated. I couldn’t understand how a religion could promote such violence, as the media was saying Islam did. It made no sense to me. So I decided to find out for myself. One way or another I wanted to know the truth

…By studying Islam I found the answers that the media wasn’t telling us and I came to know that Islam is the True Religion. Alhumdulilah! I read a lot of convincing evidence, but the things that proved to me that there is a god, and that Islam is the True Religion and that that the Qu’ran is the Word of God, were those in the Qu’ran itself. The things that are of a scientific nature. Things that have been discovered by scientists only in the last 100 years. The only one who could have known those things 1400 years ago was God.

For example, one day I was at a web site that was about some of the scientific proofs in the Qur’an. One of the verses in the Qur’an tells about the death of our own solar system.

Al-Rahman 37-38 “When the sky is torn apart, so it was (like) a red rose like ointment. Then which of the favors of your lord will you deny?”

There was a link that went to the NASA web site.

antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap991031.html

When I clicked the link I had no idea what was going to be on the next page, but what I saw took my breath away. Tears came to my eyes. I knew - if I had had any doubts left - I knew at the moment, that Islam is the True Religion of God. Mash’allah!

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/catseye_hst.jpg

islamfortoday.com/evans01.htm
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Interesting, could you keep us up to date on this person? I’m curious as to which religion she will choose next. Any wagers? Wait, umpteen…would that be 30,000? Need to find out if there is one she hasnt tried.

So, she thought she believed in Christ umpteen times, then didnt believe, played around with a cauldron for awhile, now she thinks she believes in Allah…I’m guessing Satan will be next…any takers?
 
Muslim_Woman said:
** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

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It means Muslims want to follow their holy book , they are trying to follow the commands of God Almighty .

Sinners fear that they will be punished under Islamic laws. If we don’t punish sinners , sin will be spread in the society . So , if gay people fear punishment & that keeps them away from gay parade , what’s wrong with that ? At least , they can’t encourage others openly to commit the sin.
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Islamic law religion fosters great fear in people. One day I went to the local mosque and talked to a young muslim. He talked like you saying the stoning of a adulterer was right since it would scare others from sinning. But I have come to see that Muslims sin as much as all other people. They just accompany it with lies and deceit, in order to survive. Who would blame them? What comes out of it is a raw culture where everyone is looking back over his shoulder…
The odd thing is you think a homosexual is guilty to death but you are not? thats odd… but I guess its always more comfortable to speak of the sins of others.
Weekly in the news we have stories from the Middle East where even 13 year olds and victims of rape are stoned to death. Their word agaisnt a bunch of muslim men mattered not, and it was visible they were pregnant or not virgins anymore. But the men were not punished… only the girl… buried in the sand and they cast stones on her head until she died. Sharia is the lowest form of babarity I have seen. Islam is most definately a dangerous ideology that brainwashes people.

Where I lived last year, among palestinians, so many men were cheating on their wives and watching pornography. Even some of us western women were being followed by a muslim man who wanted to have a mistress or second wife. YAK! these men were not looked down on by their society - why would they, since they just follow Muhammads example - however if a muslim woman was seen even talking to a man on her own she would be branded and slandered and rumours might destroy her life. This also happens in my European country among Muslims. The Muslim men and women are SO unequal. The men mess around and the women has to be totally pure. If they are not they better lie, and they do, and they go to the hospital to have a new virginity.

All of Muslim society is built on lies and hypocrisy. Its in its essense dehumanisating, Even in the West where muslim women enjoy the freedom rights they put muslim society on a pedistal, not realising that in such a country they would be lawless and worth half the man. We have problems in western culture with secualism that has grown proud and wild. But the Muslim countries are like a can of worms and I would choose America or Europe anytime over them.
You dont even have freedom of conscience in Islam. Change your religion because of real conviction and you have to die in Islam. fall into sin and you are branded forever.
Even as places become islamic they close the girls shools, dont allow women to have medical treatment, dont allow women to wear what they want, drive a car or walk on the street without a boy.
Women are so degraded and dehumanised in Islam where its even allowed by your prophet to beat your wife.

You have already been brainwashed so that you call evil good and good evil.
I would advice you to read the book by Ayaan Hirsi Ali called Infidel. She was once a good Muslim girl… but she was brave enough to look the lie in the face and call it by its name.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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How We Came To Embrace Islam…
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Why become Christian? Mohamad’s Testimony

I am originally from Pakistan and come from a very conservative and extremely Islamic family. I came to the US about 15 years ago to get a Masters Degree in Engineering which I did in 1983. I was supposed to go back to Pakistan and help the family business but I fell in love with an American girl who was a Christian and we got married. I married her thinking that sooner or later I would be able to persuade her to convert to Islam. Towards that end, I forbade her to go to church etc. In fact I hated the words “Christians or Jesus”. I told her that if I hear these words in hers or our daughter’s mouth I will take her to Pakistan with me and she would never see her daughter again. I was serious. I was also a “nominal” muslim keeping the fast in Ramadan and going for occasional Friday prayers.

This went on for about 10 years during which I studied the Qur’an in quite a bit of detail and also read the Bible. When I read the Bible I had no doubt in my mind that I was reading “corrupted material”. Also during this time the relationship with my wife kept deteriorating because of this great conflict in our lives. She insisted on going to church and taking the kids too. Since I could not stop that “nonsense” I decided that I will go with her to see what they were teaching my kids so I could counter it. I remember that the first sermon I ever heard was on how God will bring about positive change in you and your circumstances if you had faith. It was a good message, and I said to myself that it really had nothing to do with Christianity. Any intelligent and reasonable person could have given that talk. (I even refused to call it a sermon since that would be admitting that it was religious). I started going to church since it made my relationship with my wife better. That was my sole reason for going. I had absolutely no intentions of becoming a Christian or anything like that. On the contrary, I used to pray to Allah while in church. I prayed for guidance for the poor misguided Christians who were all going to hell. I refused to even discuss Christianity with some of the people who tried to approach me on the subject. I let it be known that this is not something that I wanted to even think about.

At the same time, I saw a very definite happiness and sort of a joy in the people who were calling themselves Christians. They truly loved God (it was a pity they thought that Jesus was God!), but nevertheless they lived their lives pleasing God. Much unlike the Muslims I had known all my life. On one hand the Muslims I had known (and still know) were all very pious and perform all the rites and rituals required by Islam. Most of them pray five times a day, have been to Mecca etc. etc. On the other hand their lives do not reflect their actions. Lying, cheating, stealing (not in the sense of actually committing a crime of theft although some do), bribes and corruption are the order of the day. Not so much in this country but in almost every other “Muslim or Islamic” country. I was the same way my self. I had no problem in telling any amounts of lies for any reason including lying to my wife and family. In short my observation was as follows: Those who call themselves “Born again Christians” are leading lives which truly reflect their faith. Those who call themselves Muslims are leading lives which have absolutely nothing to do with what they call their faith.

Now this observation is by no means universal and I am in no way blaming Islam for the general behavior of Muslims. In fact I wanted to defend them by saying that they are not following the true Islam. But the question that ate away in my mind was that we are not talking about just a few people but whole nations. Look at “any” society in this world which calls itself Islamic and you will see what I mean. They are some of the most corrupt on the face of this planet. I am not just saying that. I have first hand information on life in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia which is perhaps the “most” Islamic of all countries. And what I know will make your skin crawl. As I thought more and more about it, I became convinced that I needed to go back to the true Islam and Allah. But in order to do so, I must first convince my wife that Christianity is wrong. So I started by really studying Q’uran, praying three or four times every day etc. etc.

At the same time I knew that I will never convince anybody if I did not personally know Christianity. So I set out to prove it wrong by a logical study of the subject. My logic was as follows: 1) Prove that the Bible is wrong and corrupted; and 2) Prove that Jesus never died let alone rose again. If I could do that in a logical manner, then I would have no problem in convincing my wife and lots of other Christians that their beliefs were flawed. I had believed all along that the Christians were wrong, they worshipped three Gods, they utter blasphemy by saying the Jesus is the son of God, their Bible was hopelessly corrupted and they keep changing it, there was no proof of anything they believe in and Qur’an is the final word. Ahmad Deedat (an internationally known Muslim apologist and a very brash person) became my hero. I read everything booklet he has ever written and watched every video tape he had.

But to be fair, I also decided that I will hear the Christian’s side as well. Muslims say that the Bible is corrupted, well lets see how the Christians respond to that charge. Muslims say that Jesus never died, lets see what the Christians have to say to defend this belief. It was during this exhaustive study that I became more and more convinced that Christians were right in their beliefs and Jesus IS the only way. First I became convinced that the New Testament (as well as OT) documents as we have them today are reliable. This was based on internal as well as external evidences that the Christian authors, historians and scholars presented. I must have read every book published on the subject! Once the NT was proved to be reliable, the next step was to prove what it teaches, which is basically that Jesus was crucified, buried, rose on the third day and then ascended to heaven. I read numerous books on this topic, both Islamic and Christian. When I looked at the evidence side by side, the case for crucifixion and resurrection was much stronger than the case for no death as taught by the Qur’an. This whole thing took more than 3 years before I was convinced without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus is The Way and I accepted it in August of 1994. But even all this study and logical reasoning is not enough. Only God can guide you. I would encourage you to “earnestly” pray to God for guidance. In the mean time, by all means continue your discussions. I am literally a “new” person in my attitudes towards others as well as myself…
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jastor said:
What drew you to Islam and away from christianity?
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Muhammad Bin Abdullah Caraballo, a Convert to Islam

Subject How Jesus Led Me to Islam

From childhood, I was taught traditionally that Jesus was crucified. Seeing his image in blood in the cross and his suffering shocked me. I could not stand the movie. I was traumatized and could not bear in my mind how this mighty Prophet of Allah could be so easily hanged and killed, with all the powers and miracles that he had made.

I did not believe that this was possible. Hence my mind was set for a future message that Allah sent to me in the Holy Qur’an when I was 19 years old. He revealed that he was not killed nor crucified. This turned me to Islam. Because the Qur’an is the untouched word of Allah

readingislam.com/livedialogue/Browse.asp?hGuestID=H8lLDt
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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Muhammad Bin Abdullah Caraballo, a Convert to Islam

**From childhood, I was taught traditionally that Jesus was crucified. Seeing his image in blood in the cross and his suffering shocked me. I could not stand the movie. I was traumatized and could not bear in my mind how this mighty Prophet of Allah could be so easily hanged and killed, with all the powers and miracles that he had made.

I did not believe that this was possible****. Hence my mind was set…

readingislam.com/livedialogue/Browse.asp?hGuestID=H8lLDt

Thank you… you just proved a point. Yet another unbeliever finds Islam.

Read the testimony a few posts back from the seriously convinced and christianity-hating Muslim who became a Christian. But you dare not, I suppose, because that testimony shows both a reflected mind, serious reasoning and a process leading from serious A to serious B.

Peace.
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eichenb2 said:
My opinion is that it is fear and love! I think it is preferable to follow God’s commandment out of love, but fear works too.
After all Jesus said, “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28
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The issue is actually not a Muslim/Christian one in your post. It is one of how people choose to be governed.

There are some Christians that would agree with you. I do not.

Although I see a lot wrong with my culture. I also see a lot that is right. I do not want to exchange my freedom for security, even religious security.
 
I do not understand sharia law, so forgive the question if it sounds ignorant. If a adulteress repents before her stoning, can her sentence be done away with?
 
deb1 said:
I do not understand sharia law, so forgive the question if it sounds ignorant. If a adulteress repents before her stoning, can her sentence be done away with?
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News flash:

“The recent execution by stoning to death of the 13-year-old girl victim of rape, Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, is *another example *of this practice. But the most recent worrying phenomenon in the gradually disintegrating society of Somalia is not just the barbaric extent of such acts of atrocity but also the fact that such a despicable act was carried out by a group of 50 men and was watched by about a thousand spectators. Such a gruesome performance of sadistic behaviour is easy to condemn but hard to understand using humanly accepted parameters of societal psychology.”

I will remind you that Nazi Germany put jews, catholic priests, gypsies, communists and homosexuals into concentration camps using the same logic that sharia-advocates use: : Terrorize the rest of society into silent submission under evil. They believe they can have a “clean” society on this side of eternity. Every time a religion or ideology has had this goal it has resulted in massacres, genocides, killing of the unborn etc etc… Islam is just another dangerous ideology, The sad thing is that the Christian world is sooo slow to open its eyes.
 
GraceDK said:
Thank you… you just proved a point. Yet another unbeliever finds Islam.

Read the testimony a few posts back from the seriously convinced and christianity-hating Muslim who became a Christian. But you dare not, I suppose, because that testimony shows both a reflected mind, serious reasoning and a process leading from serious A to serious B.

Peace.
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You said it! What a difference between your post and hers. It took that Muslim man years of reflection and study to arrive at the truth and all these converts to Islam immediately accept what they were predisposed to believe from the start, if those testimonies are really true!

Vickie
 
GraceDK said:
News flash:

“The recent execution by stoning to death of the 13-year-old girl victim of rape, Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, is *another example *of this practice. But the most recent worrying phenomenon in the gradually disintegrating society of Somalia is not just the barbaric extent of such acts of atrocity but also the fact that such a despicable act was carried out by a group of 50 men and was watched by about a thousand spectators. Such a gruesome performance of sadistic behaviour is easy to condemn but hard to understand using humanly accepted parameters of societal psychology.”

I will remind you that Nazi Germany put jews, catholic priests, gypsies, communists and homosexuals into concentration camps using the same logic that sharia-advocates use: : Terrorize the rest of society into silent submission under evil. They believe they can have a “clean” society on this side of eternity. Every time a religion or ideology has had this goal it has resulted in massacres, genocides, killing of the unborn etc etc… Islam is just another dangerous ideology, The sad thing is that the Christian world is sooo slow to open its eyes.
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Grace you’ve done it again! Couldn’t have said it better myself. And the last line is so true! When are we going to wake up! We have other Europeans here telling us that we’re just inventing conspiracy theories and we don’t know anything of what is happening and Europe and not to worry, but every day I read of new atrocities committed by members of the “religion of peace” in Europe and elsewhere and it’s so disturbing.

Check out: www.thereligionofpeace.com for daily listings of all such horrors!

Vickie
 
GraceDK said:
Terrorize the rest of society into silent submission under evil. They believe they can have a “clean” society on this side of eternity. Every time a religion or ideology has had this goal it has resulted in massacres, genocides, killing of the unborn etc etc… Islam is just another dangerous ideology, The sad thing is that the Christian world is sooo slow to open its eyes.
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I have bad news for you…there is no Christian world. No one is even holding out as an ideal, any longer, the idea of a Pax Christiana. That has all disappeared and there are a bunch of secular states full of people who have little real interest in religion.

So, what you described is the history of Catholic countries and states, and the rather typical secular diatribe against it that began in the 17th century. You just described Europe until secularism arose and displaced Catholicism, especially, and Christianity more broadly, making it politically irrelevant. All you are pointing out here is that Catholicism is in decline throughout most of the West. If ‘toleration’ of what is unclean is what you want, then you should stop being religious at all and embrace secularism. There is your future. [Though even that is a false future: even secularism has its clean and unclean, it just defines it differently.]

No religion can stop asking questions about the human good and strive to put the human good into practice, to teach the good to its people and make it available to them in their lives. Catholics have largely forgotten that and, therefore, have no real future in terms of social impact upon the West. Christianity has imploded into meaninglessness.
 
deb1 said:
I do not understand sharia law, so forgive the question if it sounds ignorant. If a adulteress repents before her stoning, can her sentence be done away with?
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No. I do know that before a murder is beheaded in Saudi Arabia the execution can be stopped if the victims family requests it. I am not sure who the victim would be in adultery, especially if the woman was rapped (which is considered adultery and a crime of the woman in some muslim countries).
 
Hypatia said:
I have bad news for you…there is no Christian world. No one is even holding out as an ideal, any longer, the idea of a Pax Christiana. That has all disappeared and there are a bunch of secular states full of people who have little real interest in religion.

So, what you described is the history of Catholic countries and states, and the rather typical secular diatribe against it that began in the 17th century. You just described Europe until secularism arose and displaced Catholicism, especially, and Christianity more broadly, making it politically irrelevant. All you are pointing out here is that Catholicism is in decline throughout most of the West. If ‘toleration’ of what is unclean is what you want, then you should stop being religious at all and embrace secularism. There is your future. [Though even that is a false future: even secularism has its clean and unclean, it just defines it differently.]

No religion can stop asking questions about the human good and strive to put the human good into practice, to teach the good to its people and make it available to them in their lives. Catholics have largely forgotten that and, therefore, have no real future in terms of social impact upon the West. Christianity has imploded into meaninglessness.
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Christian world is not the same as a set of Christian Theocracies. We do not have the equivalent of a Christian Caliphate nor do we desire one. The separation of Church and state was pursued by the Catholic Church in the 6th century AD. Throughout history there have been states that have been run by Catholic values and the rulers of those states were Catholic. The only Catholic state is the Vatican.

You are a little naive about the good works that the Catholic Church does around the world. 40% of the hospitals in the US are Catholic. Billions of dollars are given by Catholics to help those in need including those with AIDS leprosy, victims of natural disasters and the poor. An unlike the muslim charitable tax, the Zakat, all this effort and money is applied to individuals regardless of whether they are Catholic or not. The only reason more work is not done in the middle east is because the muslim rulers do not allow it. They know if their people saw the gospel in action there would be Mass conversions from islam.

can stop asking questions about the human good and strive to put the human good into practice, to teach the good to its people and make it available to them in their lives.
 
“I used to read in the Gospel that Jesus is the son of God, and that God sent his son to earth to be killed and tortured to bring salvation to humanity. I always hard a problem believing,”
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I didn’t read through the whole thread, this one ‘conversion’ (reversion as Muslims call it since they falsely believe that everyone on earth has always been Muslim from day one but don’t know it), reveals how only those Christians who truly have not partaken of the truth of Jesus will leave it for Islam.

That summation of his says:

God sent his son to earth to be killed and tortured. This is a great distortion.

God sent Jesus to earth to teach the Word, and when Jesus did this, humanity revealed their true colors, which lead to them torturing and destroying Jesus, an act equal to torturing and destroying God himself, revealing how ill humanity is, how much they need what Jesus offered, yet could not accept it because they are so lost in their own evil.

We see in Jesus though, as he is faced with the universal evil of violence that leads to the destruction of sacred human lives, the divine beauty and truth of God, who is perfect love.

In Jesus it becomes vividly clear that the idea of God being like men, who slaughter, maim, torture and murder others with their false sense of power and superiority, when they follow their ego and attempt to attain and keep control on the things of this earth, is truly the most false belief on the planet.

That Jesus rebuked Peter, who attempted to do what all of humanity had always done and had even errantly come to believe God had allowed and accepted of them, used violence even for ‘self defense’ when the soldier came to arrest him, and healed the soldier, is another example of divine perfection.

That Jesus himself forgave all that was done to him by humanity, so that humans could see their own wickedness and come to choose the path that would lead them away from such evil is clear to those who truly have partaken of all that is found in the beauty and power of the Gospel, which is God’s own Word, a perfect teaching of holiness we can attain to great glory of God on earth.

And that Muhammad came with the complete opposite, but widely accepted and errant belief about God, that teaches men are commanded to use evil disgusting violent means, torture, maiming, using their false authority acting as judges that condemn other human beings for moral failings while they are alive on earth instead keeping that where it belongs, in Gods hands in heaven upon death, and so many people loved this, because they love evil and reject good, proves that Jesus still remains rejected by the majority of people on earth, even those calling themselves Christian.

Anyone who can set Jesus perfect love and truth aside and pick up and follow the mass murder Muhammad has their own evil they love, they think, ‘that was justified’ and “God allowed it” forgetting completely that Jesus taught directly against it.

There is no continuation or common thread between Jesus and Muhammad in their teachings, one is the path to God the other is the path to worldly desires of the ego and the flesh being justified falsely as ‘holy’ when they are only shadows of the weak and heartless souls of men acting with false power on earth.
 
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