Islam !? Ha!

[planten]

**To Charlie and Jharik:

I said Hirsi may be killed. Not that I want her to be killed. But as the maximum muslims believe that an apostate is to be killed, Hirsi is doubly guilty of abusing Islam. She willbe all more likely to be killed. That is why she is hiding and seeking protection.

I have no intention of killing her. I would let her live a long life and die her own ignoble death.**

 

[uncommon_sense]

It sounds like posting opinions of disagreement is not in your interest LOL. But would that be a catch 22? I mean you just gave me yours right? Look Im not accusing you, I think your are pretty cool to converse with.

You give great point to keeping aim on Just Christ. And I, can and do, concentrate much in this and in him.

However You are absolutely right when you say

So I stand corrected: I say islam should not be tolerated at all and thats my personal belief, and Muslims with wrong actions (that pysically harm) should not be tolerated.

It was and still is my point to spark conversation against islam. I am against islam – the religion. There is so much of it around me at work, my community and now infiltrating culture that I feel a powerful need to speak against. Are some things said Rhetoric? Oh yes. And again I will stand accountable and where its pointed out I will correct that. My motives are both personal and conventional…

I know Im not going to win that war about the battle of culture. But I stand stubborn because it reinforces the stand against tyranny in any form. A wall cant go forward or move back but it can help block. Thats how I see myself, a stubborn rock head.

Love you my man !

Don’t get me wrong I like your opionions on Islam and everyone is entitled to there own personal views and I hope I have not questioned your opionion, If so I’m sorry but I don’t thnk I have, I’m just more interested in the redundancy and motives of the these “whats wrong with Islam” opinions that seem to go no where, when you realize that they go no where, curiosity sets in and you ask why it continues when your on a site were either people will agree or disagree, no inbetween. It just looks like your trying to upset Muslims on this site. You know your not going to change their minds, and you know that they will react negatively to the post. You say it is your “point to spark conversation against islam” my question is why, because in my mind thats what can cause more problems. It’s like:

“ok lets just give up and just try to get on there nerves as much as we can and pose questions that we think we already no the answer to, so the only reason we want them to reply is so we can reply and then they reply and so on”

I guess my question is what’s the point? I mean I’m guessing your a Catholic and like I said it’s ok to be against Islam in general, at least you admit to it, LOL, a lot of people would not, but then how are you different from a Muslim who sometimes spreads redundant rhetoric toward Christianity. I know your not out there plotting to kill Muslims but some of the Muslim’s who are out there plotting to kill Christians probably recieve some of there negative ideas from some redundant rhetoric, whether it be spoken or written words from their holy book. I guess what are you trying to accomplish? is all my curiosity craves, I mean I know “your point is to spark conversation against islam” but whats the point if it get’s you nowhere, if it’s redundant and if it sounds no differnet from a Muslim clerics redundancy against Christianity?
Thanks in advance!!!
edit:Sorry CKP0208, i think there are actually 2 or 3 questions in this post, lol, just the answer to the last one is all I need I guess.
Thanks man!!!1

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… But as the maximum muslims believe that an apostate is to be killed…

That still bugs me.

 

[Alexius]

The point is he’s clearly someone with a huge axe to grind, and after sharpening it with misinformation, bigotry and paranoia has decided to go swinging at us (i.e. Muslims and Catholics) with it.

And it’s a real shame that any Catholic would act like he’s on their ‘side’.

Neither Hirsi nor this British man are friends of either Islam or Christianity. I know the British man is an Atheist (because I have seen his clips before) and I believe Hirsi said she does not believe in GOD. She is a strong liberally-minded woman; that is certain. Both would (and the British man has) just as quickly criticized Christianity with just as much vigor.

**To Charlie and Jharik:

I said Hirsi may be killed. Not that I want her to be killed. But as the maximum muslims believe that an apostate is to be killed, Hirsi is doubly guilty of abusing Islam. She willbe all more likely to be killed. That is why she is hiding and seeking protection.

I have no intention of killing her. I would let her live a long life and die her own ignoble death.**

She shouldn’t be. I understand what you are saying though. In the mind and soul of Islam, she is an apostate and blasphemer. According to most traditional schools of Islam, apostasy is punishable by death. Even in classical Jewish teaching, blasphemy was punishable by death (stoning).

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… I know the British man is an Atheist (because I have seen his clips before)…

It must be easy being an Atheist; You can abuse and insult people and not feel guilty about it.

 

[AnAtheist]

It must be easy being an Atheist; You can abuse and insult people and not feel guilty about it.

It must be even easier being a Muslim. You can abuse and insult and kill people and not feel guilty about it as you are rewarded with heaven for that. Applies to lots of Christians too.

 

[AnAtheist]

But as the maximum muslims believe that an apostate is to be killed, Hirsi is doubly guilty of abusing Islam.

Wait, she is guilty of being an apostate, and on top of that she is guilty of driving other people into killing her because she is an apostate? Doubly guilty.

She willbe all more likely to be killed. That is why she is hiding and seeking protection.

She is hiding because a great of bunch of [insert appropiate insult here] try to kill her. And because an even greater bunch of [insert appropiate insult here] think killing her is ok.

 

[morning_star777]

It is a bitter&cruel reality that most of muslims hate apostates,want to kill them,give them life threat&many times successfuly kill them.Those manners are not only threat for apostates but also threats for human right&also disaster for the world.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

It must be even easier being a Muslim. You can abuse and insult and kill people and not feel guilty about it as you are rewarded with heaven for that…

You may find about a billion muslims who might have something to say about that.

… Applies to lots of Christians too.

And you may find about two-billion christians who might have something to say about that too.

 

[anon52328184]

i can understand the frustration of those living in europe and how their life as they knew it is changing. in america, people are upset with the illegal immigrants from mexico. however, they aren’t making as many demands as the muslims in europe.

i watched the video. he was cynical. he sounds frustrated.

i think there are many muslims who only want to be able to practice their fatih of Islam.

however, there is the problem of the governments who do not permit freedom to worship how you choose. christians are persecuted or it is illegal to be anything else than muslim.

the followers of islam have to learn that they cannot force their faith on other people. their faith should not be used to promote terrorist activities.

the videos of the beheadings that occurred after the war started are still in my mind. granted there is a war going on and with war there is violence,
but how do they think they are winning friends by that type of violent behavior.

i am not sure what i am trying to say. judaism, christianity and islam are 3 major religions with common threads.

islam projects anger to me, not peace. at least with what i see on television and read in the paper. i am sure there are families practicing their faith peacefully in their homes, but we don’t see that. we see the angry muslims.
to me, they are in denial and are directing their anger at the wrong people.
it is their own governments they should be angry at. their own leaders and the people who do not share the vast wealth of oil around the middle east to help better the lives of everyone.

i might be wrong. but this is how i see it today.

 

[planten]

i can understand the frustration of those living in europe and how their life as they knew it is changing. in america, people are upset with the illegal immigrants from mexico. however, they aren’t making as many demands as the muslims in europe.

i watched the video. he was cynical. he sounds frustrated.

i think there are many muslims who only want to be able to practice their fatih of Islam.

however, there is the problem of the governments who do not permit freedom to worship how you choose. christians are persecuted or it is illegal to be anything else than muslim.

the followers of islam have to learn that they cannot force their faith on other people. their faith should not be used to promote terrorist activities.

the videos of the beheadings that occurred after the war started are still in my mind. granted there is a war going on and with war there is violence,
but how do they think they are winning friends by that type of violent behavior.

i am not sure what i am trying to say. judaism, christianity and islam are 3 major religions with common threads.

islam projects anger to me, not peace. at least with what i see on television and read in the paper. i am sure there are families practicing their faith peacefully in their homes, but we don’t see that. we see the angry muslims.
to me, they are in denial and are directing their anger at the wrong people.
it is their own governments they should be angry at. their own leaders and the people who do not share the vast wealth of oil around the middle east to help better the lives of everyone.

i might be wrong. but this is how i see it today.

The post is good specially the part I colored blue. I fully agree to that and that is the real Islam which even the muslims have forsaken. The completely peaceful Islam.
The muslims have got lost in the way. They do not have any spiritual leader (teacher). iF there there is one, they won’t listen to him. So the muslims are suffering and presenting a very bad face of Islam to the world.

 

[Raul_Black]

islam projects anger to me, not peace. at least with what i see on television and read in the paper. i am sure there are families practicing their faith peacefully in their homes, but we don’t see that. we see the angry muslims.

What you see on TV or read in papers is not the whole picture of reality but what media tries to show you from it’s own angle.

In other words you are learning what media wants you to learn so what you learn is anything but reality.

Same is true when Western culture is shown through Eastern Media, people here in the East think that whole Europe and the USA is filled with gays, lesbians, drug addicts and sex is every where and majority is consists of illegitimates and people are having sex on the streets and on Mardi Gras all Western girls show their breasts to unknown people who can not only see their boobs, but touching too! Is this true with whole Eorope and the USA?

 

[anon52328184]

if you reread my post i said that there probably are many muslim families practicing their faith peacefully in their homes and mosques. unfortunately,
the media does not show us that very often. there is a tv show on called Inside Islam that comes on the wlth channel. it gives a pretty good idea of what Islam is about.

unfortunately, there are a lot of people in the u.s. and other countries of the west that set very bad examples. no, they do not represent all americans or all westerners. only a small percentage. however, what they are doing is not killing other people. these people are hurting themselves morally, but
it is not a violent act like what the terrorists do.

i am not saying that all muslims are terrorists. that would be totally untrue.
there are many muslim businesses near where i live and a school attended by muslim students. they are very respectful.

however, these troublemakers give all muslims a bad name i think.

 

[AnAtheist]

It must be even easier being a Muslim. You can abuse and insult and kill people and not feel guilty about it as you are rewarded with heaven for that…

And what would that be? Shut up or we kill you? And because we are so many, we might succede?

 

[cathopologist]

The western world may be in better postion to implement the Islamic law.

http://cathopologist.com//public_html/wp-content/downloads/usi.jpg

 

[Hobble]

I hope the OP knows that the link he posted is by a guy who is a complete Athiest, he’s against all religions, not just Islam.

Here’s his youtube channel youtube.com/user/patcondell

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

And what would that be? Shut up or we kill you? And because we are so many, we might succede?

No, I think you’ll find Christians would say something along the lines of “love your enemy” (see Matthew 5:44).

 

[AnAtheist]

No, I think you’ll find Christians would say something along the lines of “love your enemy” (see Matthew 5:44).

Yes, I suppose some or even many Christians would say that, obviously not all of them. But what about Muslims?
In the end it comes to statistics, and from what I can see right now, Muslims who support killing apostates and infidels at least silently (qui tacet, consentire videtur; Pope Bonifatius VIII.) are the majority. I hope I’m wrong with that observation, but it certainly looks that way, and planten is a very good example.

 

[CKP0208]

Don’t get me wrong I like your opionions on Islam and everyone is entitled to there own personal views and I hope I have not questioned your opionion, If so I’m sorry but I don’t thnk I have, I’m just more interested in the redundancy and motives of the these “whats wrong with Islam” opinions that seem to go no where, when you realize that they go no where, curiosity sets in and you ask why it continues when your on a site were either people will agree or disagree, no inbetween. It just looks like your trying to upset Muslims on this site. You know your not going to change their minds, and you know that they will react negatively to the post. You say it is your “point to spark conversation against islam” my question is why, because in my mind thats what can cause more problems. It’s like:

“ok lets just give up and just try to get on there nerves as much as we can and pose questions that we think we already no the answer to, so the only reason we want them to reply is so we can reply and then they reply and so on”

I guess my question is what’s the point? I mean I’m guessing your a Catholic and like I said it’s ok to be against Islam in general, at least you admit to it, LOL, a lot of people would not, but then how are you different from a Muslim who sometimes spreads redundant rhetoric toward Christianity. I know your not out there plotting to kill Muslims but some of the Muslim’s who are out there plotting to kill Christians probably recieve some of there negative ideas from some redundant rhetoric, whether it be spoken or written words from their holy book. I guess what are you trying to accomplish? is all my curiosity craves, I mean I know “your point is to spark conversation against islam” but whats the point if it get’s you nowhere, if it’s redundant and if it sounds no differnet from a Muslim clerics redundancy against Christianity?
Thanks in advance!!!
edit:Sorry CKP0208, i think there are actually 2 or 3 questions in this post, lol, just the answer to the last one is all I need I guess.
Thanks man!!!1

You are all right ! I really get alot of our correspondence on this.

Very good introspective on this subject and the Guy (me) behind the statements. And you again are correct in that no way can I convert a staunch muslim to anything but his/her own faith. But its not him I was hoping to reach… It was those on the fence, those who dont know, and those who do know, but are not yet motivated to speak out against islam…

Now, Im definitely not alone on this… There are many who do statements, interviews, books and even start websites of such… I am just one of many who preach against islam in the “HOPES” that it will get people talking about it and in turn educate “Themselves” on the subject. Well, such as this women who was born and raised in Lebanon. She was actually a Middle East Correspondence who also uses her fame to help fight the spread of islam. americancongressfortruth.com/

I have written some about issues and origins on this in conjunction with biblical understanding as to whys and where’s on this.

Well, Let me ask you --and again intended with respect—

How can one fight a fire? And I mean a viscious spread such as islam? I want to stop and i may one day but there is just so much injustices going on with this so called peaceful religion of islam…

Because of this and our conversing I am interested in everything you have to say… So as far as my rhetoric you have motivated me to refine and tune my statements. And people such as yourself need to keep guys like me on my toes and I so appreciate your faith in Christ and your belief that Im in the wrong. I very well may be. If so, I will have to humbly and with great reverence give my account to Our Saviour and LORD Jesus, especially since i do this while, in the Grace and Salvation of The Father.

I am extremely into Jesus Our Christ and devoted to spreading that Gospel… And though this is the main answer, and I believe, if all, can hear this truth then the more can recieve salvation, and as we speak i am currently devoting a whole website to the discipleship of Men for Christ and once online I will send you a link if you’d like. But on my other side here is this threat spreading like fire.

And will I take up an actual Crusade against islam? No. that is for others to do. However I am working on a Crusade to bring the good news of Christ and the Heavenly Father. This I am constantly working on. You just caught me on this subject because of my postings on this site.

I think I will one day fade away from this but I am so concerned for America and the spread of islam… It will hurt this country deeply… It will tear it apart jsut as it has done and still doing in the central middle east.

Gaza, Lebanon, west bank were all very beautiful places and pretty much safe to paruse in this early century, but now with the spread of islam it is fast becoming violent desolation.

Now, I know history has always shown this area to be in turmoil. However through out the centuries of islam, it has always been a problem. Only now it has spread to the western world.

Having said that I hope it addressed your Questions to some satisfaction.

Love to you. As I carefully read your responses I see you have a great heart and mind, so keep on… I take everything you say with deep intent.

 

[planten]

**We Muslims also do not want to convert any one. But we do want to pass the message of Islam to every one peacefully. There should be no bar on that.

We wish that christians become a good christian and they follow in the footsteps of Jesus. That is enough for us. WE do not press any one to become a Muslim. Try to be a good christian. You talk too much about love. Then show your love and not hatred. Already the hatred of islam and the Prophet has gained you nothing.

Go for love. Love for All and Hatred for none. Preach your religion, the good points of christainity if you have any and leave the ohers religion alone. Let them do the same.**