Islam !? Ha!

[planten]

But the Palestine state does not see Israel as a legitimate nation.

I’m not trying to avoid. Post verses where David and Jesus cursed the Jews of their time.

I will have to dig out the verses where david cursed the Jews of his time. But the verses where Jesus abused the Jews should be easy for you find yourself. Don’t be so simple and uninformed. It is your bible NT. Not mine.

 

[planten]

But the Palestine state does not see Israel as a legitimate nation.

I’m not trying to avoid. Post verses where David and Jesus cursed the Jews of their time.

I will have to dig out the verses where david cursed the Jews of his time. But the verses where Jesus abused the Jews should be easy for you find yourself. Don’t be so simple and uninformed. It is your bible NT. Not mine.

 

[planten]

According to your Koran, every non-Muslim is considered an enemy that must be defeated and forced to pay tribute for humiliation. I think there is no use discussing Islam with a Muslim that denies some verses of his scripture.

That is wrong. Only the enemy type hostile disbelievers are kafir.

 

[planten]

I agree with you
Dear brother angelos,you have posted a true&perfect reply.best of luck.

Self praise is no recommendation. No use. Angelos is doing well without your push or support.

 

[Angelos]

That is wrong. Only the enemy type hostile disbelievers are kafir.

There is no such distinction in the Islamic scripture. While defining the kafir, the Koran does not set hostile relations as a criterion. Whoever does not accept Islam is doomed to humiliation.

Do you people always provide references when you accuse Islam and Quran. Just now some was writing that Islam allows the Muslims to tell lies to non-Muslims. Did he give any reference?

This is very weird. How can you deprive me of my rights to see evidence if someone else fails to provide evidence for you??? Why the need to imitate what is not right?

You know the meaning of filth, The way the prophets are described as having affair in the bbile and a young beautifl girl had been brought to heat up the king David, the ancestor of Jesus. Then the affair of Lot with his daughters anf the affair of Judah with his own daughte rin law and the production of two children from that illicit meeting (who happen to be in the ancestors too).

The Koran presents David as a “sinless prophet” committing adultery! The perfect prophet Lot in the Koran thinks of giving his daughters to aggressive people, who want to practice fornication.

The point you strive to make has no sense. Jesus was conceived by God’s Spirit and will. His birth was the result of a divine promise. He is the Savior of every sinful person, including the ones in His genealogy. I should also remind you that personal sins of some people in His genealogy do not affect Jesus’ holiness and divinity.

According to your reasoning, Jesus cannot be considered even a prophet because of His racial affiliation with Jews, whose evil deeds the Koran repetitively narrates.

NOw it has become irrelevant because Jesus cursed a poor fig tree and because tree was not a man or woman. But what about thos everses where Jesus abused the people of his time as sons of vipers. Jesus also said that all those (prophets) who had come before him were robbers or dacoits. You willneed reference. Then please look for it. You may find it more easily.

Your post was certainly irrelevant, for you assumed that cursing a tree and people were identical!

Jesus denounced the religious leaders of His time. This was not equal to imposing a general curse on a certain group of people, which we can find in the Koran.

You are once more slandering Jesus by attributing to Him what He did not say. Jesus never regarded all the prophets before Him as robbers. This is your nonsense and fabrication.

 

[cathopologist]

I will have to dig out the verses where david cursed the Jews of his time. But the verses where Jesus abused the Jews should be easy for you find yourself. Don’t be so simple and uninformed. It is your bible NT. Not mine.

But, but, but…i thought you were the supposed expert in Christianity? If you say what Christianity is and what it is not, post the verses! Don’t use lousy forms of reverse psychology - it just proves how weak your arguments are.

 

[cathopologist]

Self praise is no recommendation. No use. Angelos is doing well without your push or support.

morning_star777 = Angelos

 

[morning_star777]

Self praise is no recommendation. No use. Angelos is doing well without your push or support.

.Self praise?I am not angelos you know.I praised brother angelos because he is doing well,very very well.And I gave him thanks for his post.so how can you blame me for self praise!!dear planten,it seems you really dislike me.

 

[Angelos]

.Self praise?I am not angelos you know.I praised brother angelos because he is doing well,very very well.And I gave him thanks for his post.so how can you blame me for self praise!!dear planten,it seems you really dislike me.

Be sure that our friend planten dislikes me more than you.

:hug1:

 

[morning_star777]

Be sure that our friend planten dislikes me more than you.

:hug1:

dear brother angelos,honestly speaking every body should love you because you are really a very good person and very good friend also.:hug1:.God bless you

 

[Angelos]

dear brother angelos,honestly speaking every body should love you because you are really a very good person and very good friend also.:hug1:.God bless you

Thank you, dear brother in faith! You make me blush now.

God bless you and your dear ones too. :hug1:

 

[planten]

There is no such distinction in the Islamic scripture. While defining the kafir, the Koran does not set hostile relations as a criterion. Whoever does not accept Islam is doomed to humiliation.

You do not know anything about Islam. Kafir is not a simple disbeliever. he is an enemy of Islam. Kafir is a general term to be used for all those who oppose a religion. The Jews who tried to have Jesus killed on the cross were also Kafir.

This is very weird. How can you deprive me of my rights to see evidence if someone else fails to provide evidence for you??? Why the need to imitate what is not right?

Not understood.

The Koran presents David as a “sinless prophet” committing adultery! The perfect prophet Lot in the Koran thinks of giving his daughters to aggressive people, who want to practice fornication.

The point you strive to make has no sense. Jesus was conceived by God’s Spirit and will. His birth was the result of a divine promise. He is the Savior of every sinful person, including the ones in His genealogy. I should also remind you that personal sins of some people in His genealogy do not affect Jesus’ holiness and divinity.

According to your reasoning, Jesus cannot be considered even a prophet because of His racial affiliation with Jews, whose evil deeds the Koran repetitively narrates.

**I said that you do not understand Quran. It is bad to have fornicating and adulterer fore fathers. That is bad enough in itself. Now you may try to save Jesus out of that. But it is all in the bible.

You have got such complicated entanglements that one wonders about your religion. When Jesus was concieved by the holy spirit then what wa sthe use of of all that genelology goig upto Adam? And what was the necessity of having a worldly father (Joseph)? Why was a god born? God canbe born too? and die too? I cannot understand all those things.
**

Your post was certainly irrelevant, for you assumed that cursing a tree and people were identical!

Jesus denounced the religious leaders of His time. This was not equal to imposing a general curse on a certain group of people, which we can find in the Koran.

You are once more slandering Jesus by attributing to Him what He did not say. Jesus never regarded all the prophets before Him as robbers. This is your nonsense and fabrication.

** I have written enough above. Do you know the topic? Please see that if it is good topic.**

 

[Booklover]

You do not know anything about Islam. Kafir is not a simple disbeliever. he is an enemy of Islam. Kafir is a general term to be used for all those who oppose a religion. The Jews who tried to have Jesus killed on the cross were also Kafir.

Not understood.

I said that you do not understand Quran. It is bad to have fornicating and adulterer fore fathers. That is bad enough in itself. Now you may try to save Jesus out of that. But it is all in the bible.

You have got such complicated entanglements that one wonders about your religion. When Jesus was concieved by the holy spirit then what wa sthe use of of all that genelology goig upto Adam? And what was the necessity of having a worldly father (Joseph)? Why was a god born? God canbe born too? and die too? I cannot understand all those things.

I have written enough above. Do you know the topic? Please see that if it is good topic.

In case you’ve forgotten, Angelos was a Muslim who had the good sense to see Islam for what it really is!

You know nothing about Christianity. What you know comes from Islamic imams who know nothing about it either and are nothing but the blind leading the blind! Muslims cannot even defend Islam without attacking Christianity or Judaism because that is part and parcel of the indoctrination in Islam, to make others look bad in order to make Islam look good. Even Sister Amy admitted that they teach that the Jews and Christians are misguided. Once you plant the idea that others are wrong, then you can make the indefensible appear enticing.

As for unbelievers, Islamqa.com relegates them all as kuffar as seen in this example from the site:

Using clothing of the kuffar (unbelievers)
What is the ruling on using clothing of the kuffar (unbelievers)?

The use of clothing of the kuffar (unbelievers) which they have worn is permissible as long as there is no known najasa (impurity) regarding it, because the default for things in general is tahaarah (purity) and it is not overridden by mere doubt. Likewise, what they have woven and dyed and what has been imported from their countries are also permissible, as long as they do not comprise anything haram (forbidden), because the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his sahaba (his companions) wore items the kuffar had woven and made, and likewise the Prophet (peace be upon him) wore a Roman jubba (a long outer garment, open in front, with

wide sleeves)

islamqa.com/en/ref/30/unbelievers

Vickie

 

[inJESUS]

You do not know anything about Islam. Kafir is not a simple disbeliever. he is an enemy of Islam. Kafir is a general term to be used for all those who oppose a religion. The Jews who tried to have Jesus killed on the cross were also Kafir.

that is not true Planten. A disbeliever does not need to be fighting Islam to be called kafir.

Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6

I said that you do not understand Quran. It is bad to have fornicating and adulterer fore fathers. That is bad enough in itself. Now you may try to save Jesus out of that. But it is all in the bible.

 

[Angelos]

You do not know anything about Islam. Kafir is not a simple disbeliever. he is an enemy of Islam. Kafir is a general term to be used for all those who oppose a religion. The Jews who tried to have Jesus killed on the cross were also Kafir.

You do not know that I know a lot about Islam.

The definition of the word Kafir in the Koran is not the same as the one presented by you. Go and read your scripture and refute my claims if you can.

Not understood.

I simply wonder why some people’s failure to cite reference for their claims about the Koran compels you to do the same while discussing Christianity with me.

I said that you do not understand Quran. It is bad to have fornicating and adulterer fore fathers. That is bad enough in itself. Now you may try to save Jesus out of that. But it is all in the bible.

What about having pagan parents as in Mohammad’s case? How can you know for sure that none of Mohammad’s forefathers was a sinner? What helps you reach the conclusion that everyone in Mohammad’s genealogy (pagans!) was a saint?

We do not need to save Jesus from anything. It seems that you need to save yourself from these ludicrous remarks.

You have got such complicated entanglements that one wonders about your religion. When Jesus was concieved by the holy spirit then what wa sthe use of of all that genelology goig upto Adam? And what was the necessity of having a worldly father (Joseph)? Why was a god born? God canbe born too? and die too? I cannot understand all those things.

Jesus became human. He became the new Adam for mankind. Is it so difficult for you to understand?

Jesus did not need a biological father. Read your Koran to find out why Mary was given to a man’s custody.

I have written enough above. Do you know the topic? Please see that if it is good topic.

You have written nothing to prove your point. I can see no reference next to your assertions. This is why I can readily refute them as meaningless fabrication.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

**… Why was a god born? … **

So that He could unite His divinity with our humanity. It’s a part of His sacrifice.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Muslims respect all the Prophets including David ,
Jesus ( peace be upon them all ) . We don’t believe that any Prophet committed any such major sins like adultery , slept with own daughters like Bible alleged against David & Lut (pbut) .

Sometimes they made mistakes but immediately they asked God for forgiveness .

U won’t find any nasty allegation against any Prophet in holy Quran.

 

[cathopologist]

Salaam/peace;

Muslims respect all the Prophets including David ,
Jesus ( peace be upon them all ) . We don’t believe that any Prophet committed any such major sins like adultery , slept with own daughters like Bible alleged against David & Lut (pbut) .

Sometimes they made mistakes but immediately they asked God for forgiveness .

U won’t find any nasty allegation against any Prophet in holy Quran.

Muslims don’t believe the prophets made mistakes or committed sins. It would contradict Mohammad’s actions (and teachings). Say, for example when Mohammad married his son-in-law’s wife (and it actually caused a controversy even during his time), or consummated the marriage with Aisha at age 9 (or 6).

 

[Angelos]

Salaam/peace;

Muslims respect all the Prophets including David ,
Jesus ( peace be upon them all ) . We don’t believe that any Prophet committed any such major sins like adultery , slept with own daughters like Bible alleged against David & Lut (pbut) .

Sometimes they made mistakes but immediately they asked God for forgiveness .

U won’t find any nasty allegation against any Prophet in holy Quran.

The verses quoted from the Koran by Jharek Carnelian refute your supposition. The parable about the greedy man and sheep refers to David’s adulterous act in the same way as in the biblical narrative.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Muslims don’t believe the prophets made mistakes or committed sins. It would contradict Mohammad’s actions (and teachings). Say, for example when Mohammad married his son-in-law’s wife (and it actually caused a controversy even during his time), or consummated the marriage with Aisha at age 9 (or 6).

Prophet Muhammed (p) had 2 sons . Both of them died as infants. So , marrying his own son-in-law’s wife is a lie .

She was his own cousin , Prophet (p ) himself arranged her marriage with his ex slave . When divorce took place between them , he maried her . There was no Blood relationship with the slave boy & Muhammed (p) . Spreading lies won’t give Catholics any credit ,right ?

Young marriage is allowed regarding all holy books. David (p) married a young virgin when he was old ( minimum 70 ) .

How old was Mother Mary (p) when she gave birth to ur Lord ? Was she 20 , 30 ?