Islam !? Ha!

[cathopologist]

Salaam/peace;Prophet Muhammed (p) had 2 sons . Both of them died as infants. So , marrying his own son-in-law’s wife is a lie.
Ubayd-Allah ibn Jahsh was the brother of Zaynab bint Jahsh.

I admit my error (truly not a lie), it still does not invalidate the fact that Mohammad “stole” Ubayd’s wife in order to marry her.

Young marriage is allowed regarding all holy books. David (p) married a young virgin when he was old ( minimum 70 ) .

And did you think such marriages were without criticisms during their times?

How old was Mother Mary (p) when she gave birth to ur Lord ? Was she 20 , 30 ?

Mother Mary was consummated by God. No mortal by the name of Mohammad did.
Even then, it wasn’t without criticisms from the people. They suspected her only until they discovered who she gave birth to.

Did Aisha give birth to God?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

I admit my error (truly not a lie), it still does not invalidate the fact that Mohammad “stole” Ubayd’s wife in order to marry her.

so far as I remember now , his name was Zaid.

Pl. tell me why Muhammed (p) arranged his cousin’s marriage with Zaid in the first place ? Then why he stole …lol his own cousin ? He could have married her before her arranged with freed slave if he really loved her .

A Muslim woman is allowed to end her married life & remarry . So , Zainab ( Prophet’s cousin , later wife ) also could did that without being stolen.

Pl. apply ur God gifted logic . Don’t be misguided by the media propaganda against Islam & the last Prophet (p).

And did you think such marriages were without criticisms during their times?

God did not criticise any young marriage in his holy books. We human being are not more knowledgable than God …or u think we are ?

Did Aisha give birth to God?

God says in His last & final holy book that

**God does not beget Nor was He begotten. **

So , no , neither Mother Aisha ( p ) nor the Mother Mary (p) gave birth to God.

 

[planten]

The verses quoted from the Koran by Jharek Carnelian refute your supposition. The parable about the greedy man and sheep refers to David’s adulterous act in the same way as in the biblical narrative.

**Angelos, you are trying to dig out something which is not there. There is nothing bad about any prophet in the Quran. Nothing bad about Mary in the Quran. But we see disrespect to Mary in bible. Jesus when he was on the cross addressed his mother as “O woman,” That is considered bad. That is the case of Jesus. But the cases of all other prophets is even worse in the bible, some times shameful. Is taht your religious book?

About david,nothing definite or naked is said in the Quran. You are trying to find some straw to hang on. But you do not see the big pole in your own eye.**

 

[planten]

Muslims don’t believe the prophets made mistakes or committed sins. It would contradict Mohammad’s actions (and teachings). Say, for example when Mohammad married his son-in-law’s wife (and it actually caused a controversy even during his time), or consummated the marriage with Aisha at age 9 (or 6).

**Please remember that it was necessary to make every one understand that the son is only the real son. Adopted or supposed son (Jesus) is not a son at all. That was the important reason for marrying Zainab. The prophet had married that lady to Zaid himself earlier. He did not desire her.

The matter of false son business was necessary to be eradicated. It has given news to the world that there is no supposed son or adopted son as real son. That willbring down the edifice of the church about Jesus being a son of any one.**

 

[planten]

Further to the reply above, it is necessary to investigate why Mary gave birth to Jesus at the age of 12. That also in doubtful manner. Please see to that instead of going to Aisha.

 

[cathopologist]

Salaam/peace;
so far as I remember now , his name was Zaid.

Pl. tell me why Muhammed (p) arranged his cousin’s marriage with Zaid in the first place ? Then why he stole …lol his own cousin ? He could have married her before her arranged with freed slave if he really loved her .

A Muslim woman is allowed to end her married life & remarry . So , Zainab ( Prophet’s cousin , later wife ) also could did that without being stolen.

I was asking you about Ubayd-Allah ibn Jahsh. Why Mohammad felt that he could marry Ubayd’s former wife? Because she was already divorced? Or was it because he always had lustful intentions on her? Come on, be truthful.

[Ubayd-Allah ibn Jahsh (Arabic: عبيدالله بن جحش‎) was the brother of Zaynab bint Jahsh. He is one of the four monotheistic hanifs mentioned by Ibn Ishaq. The others being Waraqah ibn Nawfal, Uthman ibn Huwarith and Zayd ibn Umar.

He was married to Ramlah bint Abu Sufyan (who was also known as Umm Habiba Ramla). They had a daughter named Habibah bint Ubayd-Allah.

He and his wife became Muslims and, in order to escape from the Meccan persecution, they emigrated to Abyssinia, where the Christian king gave sanctuary to the Muslims. There Ubayd-Allah eventually converted to Christianity and testified his new faith to the other Muslim refugees. Ibn Ishaq relates:
“ 'Ubaydullah went on searching until Islam came; then he migrated with the Muslims to Abyssinia taking with him his wife who was a Muslim, Umm Habiba, d. Abu Sufyan. When he arrived there he adopted Christianity, parted from Islam, and died a Christian in Abyssinia. Muhammad bin Jafar al-Zubayr told me that when he had become a Christian 'Ubaydullah as he passed the prophet’s companions who were there used to say: ‘We see clearly, but your eyes are only half open’, i.e. ‘We see, but you are only trying to see and cannot see yet.’ ”

Due to his conversion, he was divorced from his wife. He stopped following the Islamic prohibition of drinking alcohol, and eventually died in Abyssinia.

Later on Prophet Muhammad married his former wife, and later on his sister, Zaynab bint Jahsh.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubayd-Allah_ibn_Jahsh)

Pl. apply ur God gifted logic . Don’t be misguided by the media propaganda against Islam & the last Prophet (p).

Spare me the proselytism. It won’t work.

 

[cathopologist]

Islam glorifies sacrifices for its Muslim martyrs, yet vehemently reject Christ’s crucifixion - the ultimate sacrifice for all humankind. What irony!

**God does not beget Nor was He begotten. **

So , no , neither Mother Aisha ( p ) nor the Mother Mary (p) gave birth to God.

Mother Mary gave birth to God. Aisha well, is a Muslimah - not even on par with a nun.

 

[cathopologist]

**Please remember that it was necessary to make every one understand that the son is only the real son. Adopted or supposed son (Jesus) is not a son at all. That was the important reason for marrying Zainab. The prophet had married that lady to Zaid himself earlier. He did not desire her.

The matter of false son business was necessary to be eradicated. It has given news to the world that there is no supposed son or adopted son as real son. That willbring down the edifice of the church about Jesus being a son of any one.**

Mohammad’s marriage to Zainab Bint Jahsh’s marriage was out of lust.
"God did not make your adopted son as your own sons. To declare them so is your empty claim. God’s word is righteous and constitutes true guidance. (Q.33: 4).

***"After a term of married life with her husband, We permitted you to marry her so that it may hence be legitimate and morally blameless for a believer to marry the wife of his adopted son provided that wife has already been divorced. That is God’s commandment which must be fulfilled *** (Q.33: 37)

So, in other words, Muhammad prohibited the wives of the son but he himself could marry the wife of his son, Zaid Ibn Muhammad. Okay.

(Sura al-Ahzab Q.33: 37): "We married her off to you so that there would be no objection for believers in respect to their adopted sons’ wives once they have accomplished their purpose with them. God’s command must be done!"

 

[Angelos]

Salaam/peace;
Prophet Muhammed (p) had 2 sons . Both of them died as infants. So , marrying his own son-in-law’s wife is a lie .

She was his own cousin , Prophet (p ) himself arranged her marriage with his ex slave . When divorce took place between them , he maried her . There was no Blood relationship with the slave boy & Muhammed (p) . Spreading lies won’t give Catholics any credit ,right ?

Since Mohammad had no biological sons, his adopted son Zaid was like his own son. He had the same legal rights of a real son too.

It is impossible to prove whether Mohammad was sincere or not when he arranged the marriage and took Zainab as a bride for his son Zaid. Strikingly, Mohammad did not present your argument when questioned and criticised by people. He simply said that Allah had willed his marriage with Zainab so as to teach Muslims that marrying adopted son’s wife was permitted.

Young marriage is allowed regarding all holy books. David (p) married a young virgin when he was old ( minimum 70 ) .

All holy books? Could you please give an example? I do not think that you, as a Muslim, consider the Bible a holy book.

Since you believe in the Koran as the only preserved divine revelation, you should not judge by the Bible. The New Testament never allows such marriages. The Koran, on the other hand, never mentions David’s wives or their age.

How old was Mother Mary (p) when she gave birth to ur Lord ? Was she 20 , 30 ?

I must ask the same question to you. Do you know the answer?? Your Koran says nothing about Mary’s age either. It is impossible and unreasonable to prove something by mere presumptions or guesses.

 

[Angelos]

Further to the reply above, it is necessary to investigate why Mary gave birth to Jesus at the age of 12. That also in doubtful manner. Please see to that instead of going to Aisha.

Could you please tell us Christians where you read such a claim? Please cite evidence for Mary’s marriage at the age of 12. Thanks.

 

[Angelos]

**Please remember that it was necessary to make every one understand that the son is only the real son. Adopted or supposed son (Jesus) is not a son at all. That was the important reason for marrying Zainab. The prophet had married that lady to Zaid himself earlier. He did not desire her.

The matter of false son business was necessary to be eradicated. It has given news to the world that there is no supposed son or adopted son as real son. That willbring down the edifice of the church about Jesus being a son of any one.**

Dear planten, your Koran is unaware of your marvelous(!) teachings. It says:

Surah 39:4
If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created. Be He Glorified! He is Allah, the One, the Absolute.

This verse underlines the possibility of Allah’s having a son only through adoption. According to your very scripture, Allah denounces Christians for believing Jesus to be the REAL Son of God! While trying to deny that Christian tenet, the Koran sets sonship through adoption as the only possible alternative.

More, the Koran forbids Muslims from marrying their foster mothers and sisters. Why do u think it does so although there is no biological affiliation? Any brilliant idea associating this with Christian tenets?

 

[Angelos]

**Angelos, you are trying to dig out something which is not there. There is nothing bad about any prophet in the Quran. Nothing bad about Mary in the Quran. But we see disrespect to Mary in bible. Jesus when he was on the cross addressed his mother as “O woman,” That is considered bad. That is the case of Jesus. But the cases of all other prophets is even worse in the bible, some times shameful. Is taht your religious book?

About david,nothing definite or naked is said in the Quran. You are trying to find some straw to hang on. But you do not see the big pole in your own eye.**

The truth cannot be hushed, dear planten. It will prevail no matter how u strive to obstruct and conceal it.

What I am saying is in your Koran. Go and read it to see what it teaches about David. Your David is a holy and sinless prophet that steals another man’s wife and commits adultery with her (Surah 38:24). I guess you will delete that section from your personal Koran version.

There is nothing wrong with the way Jesus addresses His mother. Mary was truly a woman.

Your Koran uses the degrading term BAGIYYA for Mary twice. This word means prostitute in Arabic although some commentators translate it as “unchaste woman” due to being ashamed of what is originally written in the Koran!

Let the truth cry out! Do not be afraid of it.

 

[RobHom]

I was the one who posted the fact that the Koran says its permitted for a Muslim to lie and deceive a non-believer, but a Muslim cannot lie to or deceive another Muslim. Its in your Koran. You know it is, unless you never bothered to read it.

I’ll make a deal with you… You provide “proofs” of your allegations, and I’ll provide my proof. Its up to you. But unless you agree… I have absolutely no motivation to bother doing it. You’ll just have to accept my word on it, because I have read the Koran…

Muslim Woman… You really should be careful in making statements especially when taking snippets or quotations of words and using them “out of context”. You will be found out, and you will be shown to be wrong. Planten makes claims…that he cannot validate…and apparently will not validate. It makes him both wrong and foolish. Do not become his equal. It will not help whatever cause you think you represent.

 

[dolphinlove]

Further to the reply above, it is necessary to investigate why Mary gave birth to Jesus at the age of 12. That also in doubtful manner. Please see to that instead of going to Aisha.

Why should we? Im getting sick of you dictating to us to what we should and shouldnt talk about.
Why is this, because you know Islam is a sham and hate it been pointed out so constantly?
There is no recording of how old Mary was when she gave birth to our Lord and saviour. And not only that, Mary was pregnant according to God’s wishes, so when you start going on about Mary’s age, your making accusations to a decision God made, so be careful with this one.
As for Aisha, there is proof and recording of the age she was betrothed and married. We are free to bring this up and talk about it when we want too. As long as its a fact and its documented, we can talk about it.
Planten, if you continue to keep putting up allegations against Christianity, be prepared for our defense, we dont take things lying down and we dont let things go unchallenged.
God Bless

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Why Mohammad felt that he could marry Ubayd’s former wife? Because she was already divorced? .

marrying a divorced lady ( after passing her Iddat period ) is legal in Islam. Why raise question about a legal marriage ?

Is marrying a divorced lady prohibited in Christianity ? How come we see so many divroced Chrisitan women are getting married at the Church then ?

 

[dolphinlove]

Salaam/peace;

marrying a divorced lady ( after passing her Iddat period ) is legal in Islam. Why raise question about a legal marriage ?

Is marrying a divorced lady prohibited in Christianity ? How come we see so many divroced Chrisitan women are getting married at the Church then ?

This can be quite a broad answer, depending on the Christian denom your talking about…
In Catholicism, you are not allowed to marry a divorcee unless their previous marriage has been annulled. Even then there are other rules that go along with this. Here is a link that explains it:
here

 

[cathopologist]

Salaam/peace;marrying a divorced lady ( after passing her Iddat period ) is legal in Islam. Why raise question about a legal marriage ?

Of course it would be legal in Islam.

Is marrying a divorced lady prohibited in Christianity ? How come we see so many divroced Chrisitan women are getting married at the Church then ?

Actually, yes. In the eyes of the Catholic Church and God, it is considered adultery.

**“Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” (Mark 10:9)

“For I hate divorce, says the LORD, the God of Israel, And covering one’s garment with injustice, says the LORD of hosts; You must then safeguard life that is your own, and not break faith.” (Malachi 2:16)

“Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery” (Luke 16:18; cf. Mark 10:11–12)

"For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man." (Romans 7:2-3 [KJV]).
**

“In regard to chastity, [Jesus] has this to say: ‘If anyone look with lust at a woman, he has already before God committed adultery in his heart.’ And, ‘Whoever marries a woman who has been divorced from another husband, commits adultery.’ According to our Teacher, just as they are sinners who contract a second marriage, even though it be in accord with human law, so also are they sinners who look with lustful desire at a woman. He repudiates not only one who actually commits adultery, but even one who wishes to do so; for not only our actions are manifest to God, but even our thoughts” (First Apology 15 [A.D. 151]). - Justin Martyr

Muhammad saw Zainab Bint Jahsh scantily dressed, and commented on her great beauty. Zainab overheard this and that caused her to gloat; by then, the damage was already done.

Sura al-Ahzab Q.33: 37): "We married her off to you so that there would be no objection for believers in respect to their adopted sons’ wives once they have accomplished their purpose with them. God’s command must be done!"

Pretty much explains why Muslim women still wear the Burkha today.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Of course it would be legal in Islam.

sure it is . Islam is a practical religion . Divorced is not encouraged in Islam but allowed when necessary.

After divorce , women are allowed to remarry otherwise she may commit a major sin.

Actually, yes. In the eyes of the Catholic Church and God, it is considered adultery.

what solution Catholic Chruch has for divorced women ? To control their desire , they will fast always or embrace other religion to get married ?

Muhammad saw Zainab Bint Jahsh scantily dressed,…**Sura al-Ahzab Q.33: 37): "We married her off to you so that there would be no objection for believers in respect to their adopted sons’ … **

I mentioned earlier that Zainab was cousin of Prophet Muhammed (p) .

Marriage between cousins is allowed in Islam . So , why Prophet needed to arrange his cousin’s marriage with Zaid & married her after her divorce if he was in love with her ?

Adopted son & own sons …these are different in Islam . Marrying own son’s wife is not allowed . Prophet’s sons were dead ; so no question of marrying his own son’s wife.

Pretty much explains why Muslim women still wear the Burkha today.

Mother Mary (p) used to wear mini skirt ?

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Ya gotta love the name of this thread! “Islam? Ha!”

Maybe we could have some other threads with the following titles:

Buddhism? Pfffft!

Catholicism? GRRRRR

Hinduism? Reincarnation? Yeah right!

Protestants? Uggggh

Mormons? Weeee!

Unitarians? buuuurp

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Ya gotta love the name of this thread! “Islam? Ha!”

Maybe we could have some other threads with the following titles:

Buddhism? Pfffft!

Catholicism? GRRRRR

Hinduism? Reincarnation? Yeah right!

Protestants? Uggggh

Mormons? Weeee!

Unitarians? buuuurp

what about Judaism & Sikhism ?