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I came across this video on You Tube. I pay little attention to “you tube” yet I have found this to be of particular interest for the time and statistical effort placed into it.

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There are three kinds of lies, said Mr. Clemens: Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

I’m not saying there’s nothing to worry about, but I am saying that the statistical evidence used to formulate this thesis relies on a very particular interpretation that is in no way authoritative or free of bias.
 
Completely evil propoganda. You could easily make the same case against Orthodox Jews in New York or the nuclear State of Israel.

Had US supported justice in Iran, Saudi Arabia and Palestine the world would not be in this mess today. Had CIA not armed the Mujahadeen with Stingers to defeat USSR in Afghanistan we would not be facing defeat today in the same country.

For centuries Islam was a peaceful religion always turning the other cheek to French, Dutch and British colonial masters who took their wealth & labor without due payment. US has tried to follow the same path but it will not work in C21st. We will have to talk with the Taliban and Iran or else destroy us all in our arrogance.

Yes Islam will soon outnumber other religions because it has remained unaltered. Unlike Christianity it has not accepted abortion, homosexuality, feminism, usury, birth control which have destroyed the original Christian foundations.

Perhaps Islam’s greatest strength is that it is a man’s religion (appealing to men and disfranchised youth) while Christianity has become a feminized, emasculated religion which many red-blooded men laugh at. Not sure how this happened since it certainly didn’t begin like that. While you would never see a Christian man ‘brave’ enough to stop in the street and pray, a Muslim man will do this openly 5 times a day no matter where he is; no matter who stares at him. They are proud of their religion while we are tend to be half-hearted (if not ashamed) of ours.

Yes we should be worried about Islam but the fault lies with us …not them.
 
I see no bias at all just clear cut fact. Your immediate rejection in the denial of Truth is the only bias opinion on this thread so far. Can you prove the statistics wrong in any one of those countries? Otherwise your true colors are becoming apparent.
 
Completely evil propoganda. You could easily make the same case against Orthodox Jews in New York or the nuclear State of Israel.

Had US supported justice in Iran, Saudi Arabia and Palestine the world would not be in this mess today. Had CIA not armed the Mujahadeen with Stingers to defeat USSR in Afghanistan we would not be facing defeat today in the same country.

For centuries Islam was a peaceful religion always turning the other cheek to French, Dutch and British colonial masters who took their wealth & labor without due payment. US has tried to follow the same path but it will not work in C21st. We will have to talk with the Taliban and Iran or else destroy us all in our arrogance.

Yes Islam will soon outnumber other religions because it has remained unaltered. Unlike Christianity it has not accepted abortion, homosexuality, feminism, usury, birth control which have destroyed the original Christian foundations.

Perhaps Islam’s greatest strength is that it is a man’s religion (appealing to men and disfranchised youth) while Christianity has become a feminized, emasculated religion which many red-blooded men laugh at. Not sure how this happened since it certainly didn’t begin like that. While you would never see a Christian man ‘brave’ enough to stop in the street and pray, a Muslim man will do this openly 5 times a day no matter where he is; no matter who stares at him. They are proud of their religion while we are tend to be half-hearted (if not ashamed) of ours.

Yes we should be worried about Islam but the fault lies with us …not them.
Really thats am amazing observation based on dellusion. See it for what is its Christian heresy.

The fault lies within Religion/Politics combined to promote an agenda. Which then becomes dictatorship. just as Iran.

Change through forced violence is a tool of the ignorant.
 
Its easy to get the impression we bought this situation on ourselves. Let me give yet another example of how this excalates and grows in a violent and alarming rate

Before I retired I was employed as a Therapist for the Dept of Corrections here. I did much work with the “gang” situation which I was surprized initially to find Muslims were part of.

I had the pleasure of meeting the leader of this religious sect whom was referred to as the Minister.

He was serving 6 consecutive live sentences. aside from that he also killed the house pet, the Dog.

Course I am still young and now work in another career. But yet being nieve to truth doesn’t help our cause either. There are real attrocitys existing here. Poeple forced into submission isn’t an answer. And yes we as Americans do littel to protect these areas such as Iraq when we have a military conflict. The Christian martyred list is growing yearly there.

All the answers are not easy. Yet religion mixed with politics is exactly what bought about the reformation.

Keeping an accurate account of what is escalating world wide is without doubt needed.

Civilized countrys didn’t happen bu accident in Eurpoe of the Americas. This is a direct result of Christianity. These are the heartlands of christianity. Now lets look at those fringe 3rd world countries.

What needs to be done is clearly understand the situation in the “fringe” countries. And focus on the heartlands. Theres a teaching process which must continue to exist with Islam. There converstions one through indoctrination.
 
I came across this video on You Tube. I pay little attention to “you tube” yet I have found this to be of particular interest for the time and statistical effort placed into it.

Thoughs?

youtube.com/watch?v=YpM6QKaAgP0
I just viewed the video you posted. I understand the person who posted it is probably very concerned about what can happen as she states that Muslims will exceed 50% of the population by the end of this century—let’s not let this evil overtake us. Now, what is the proposal to keeping it at bay? Or stopping it? Another Crusade? I have a million thoughts running around in my head but the best thing I can think of is that if we have any faith at all in our God and our Savior Jesus Christ, then we know that He is with us always even to the end of time and that no one can snatch us from His hand. In order to fight against this “evil” we can and must live out our Christian lives according to the way Jesus taught us and as it is written in Colossians (I believe) pray unceasingly…unceasingly, UNCEASINGLY! This is our calling. :highprayer::gopray2::gopray2::gopray2::
 
I just viewed the video you posted. I understand the person who posted it is probably very concerned about what can happen as she states that Muslims will exceed 50% of the population by the end of this century—let’s not let this evil overtake us. Now, what is the proposal to keeping it at bay? Or stopping it? Another Crusade? I have a million thoughts running around in my head but the best thing I can think of is that if we have any faith at all in our God and our Savior Jesus Christ, then we know that He is with us always even to the end of time and that no one can snatch us from His hand. In order to fight against this “evil” we can and must live out our Christian lives according to the way Jesus taught us and as it is written in Colossians (I believe) pray unceasingly…unceasingly, UNCEASINGLY! This is our calling. :highprayer::gopray2::gopray2::gopray2::
Pray, and then have lots of babies! 👍
 
More food for thought. Way back in 1938 Hilaire Belloc, a great historian wrote a book called The Great Heresies. Chapter 4 is entitled "The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed".
Belloc explains Islam as a Heresy from without or from outside the Church. His thought was that Islam is a mixture of Judaism, Arabic paganism and heavy borrowings from the Church. There were no other churches except the Catholic Church at that period in history.
Belloc further noted that a heresy from without was much more difficult to deal with than a Christian heresy, because it had a life of its own.

Belloc considered Islam and Secularism the two greatest Heresies.

The U Tube video brings up the " based on results" of Islam as in Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, and the others where they are 100% or almost of the population. They are not even able to live with themselves.

This type of squabbling between groups happens when there is not I leader such as our pontiff. The other striking feature is the violence associated with Islam. It is true just as the video points out that it is nice and peaceful until they reach a certain % of the population and then things change.

In the beginning of the Koran it is nice and lo-vie do-vie, however to wards the end The sword appears along with the mandate of ,“death to the infidels”. This reminds me of a quote I read awhile back, a Muslim was explaining why they (Islam) were so militant. I don’t recall the quote exactly but it went like this,“You Christians were not able to conquer the world by Love for Allah in the first six hundred years so we must do it by the Sword”.

Not aneasy thing. I always told my children that their actions spoke louder than their words. I believe that to be true in our everyday world. Nice words sound great but what is done is what really counts.

God Bless!!!
 
with so many Christians believing in abortion and contracepting…I don’t see that happening…
With respect, I don’t think Christians “believe in” abortion or contraception. One might believe something about those things–i.e., it’s forbidden, or it’s permissible–but not “in” them.
 
I don’t think all Muslims deserve the bad reputation they have right now. Islam is really not that much different than Christianity-the beliefs on morality are very similar. In my opinion Jews, Muslims and Christians are all praying to the same God, they are all Abrahamatic faiths.

Unfortionately a few extremist Muslims have made a bad name for Islam as a whole when the reality of it is that the extremists(terrorists) are minorities among Muslims.

Muslim does not automatically equal terrorist. Many many Muslim countries are known for being clean, modern and having low crime.

Keep in mind that for a long time Christian extremists were responsible for their fare share of misery for the world too, Muslims just happen to currently have the spot light.
 
Hillaire Belloc predicted that Islam would rise again.

Agree with Norval’s reference, and Belloc’s.

The USA, according to Catholic priests, has actually a little place in Salvation History. We have the most fragmented Christianity on the planet.

Many countries have militarily fed the blood thirst.

Once Islam is entrenched, a country cannot be restored. There is this day the conviction throughout the Muslim world that Islam lost Spain, ‘We lost Spain’ behind our backs.

This sentiment also explains why Americans were so incensed the new mosque at 9/11 was to be named Cordoba when dhimmitude was practiced in Cordoba, Spain during the Muslim occupation. Note, many imams throughout the country and the world advised the group wanting it done not do such a thing, and would offend the injury of most Americans which it did.

This is the insensitivity…the indifference to the loss of innocent deaths in the name of God…this is sheer evil disguised as good.

Where the USA has agitated the Muslim world the most is in its promotion of pornography and free sex, the breakdown of marriage, the dignity of woman. I live in a smut culture, two porn shops by our family neighborhoods…put in by state judges and one lawyer.
 
With respect, I don’t think Christians “believe in” abortion or contraception. One might believe something about those things–i.e., it’s forbidden, or it’s permissible–but not “in” them.
They grace the doors of abortion clinics all the time. they bring their daughters in for abortions…I know…and all my Christian friends use birth control pills, I even did as a Protestant…just because I worded it differently doesn’t mean I’m trying to debate you, etc. I am just saying Christians are not going to start having babies because they want to populate the world with more Christians, too many believe in using birth control and limiting their family.
 
As a former Muslim, I have to agree and disagree with this video.

Yes, there is a serious problem with extremism in Islam. However, the violent ends are definitely a massive hyperbole on the part of the media. A Muslim(s) does good, you’d never hear about it, but if a Muslim in Iraq blows up a busy market: it’s everywhere in the media. A Muslim cleric spreads hate on Arabic T.V., it’s translated and spread everywhere within a week, a Muslim cleric teaches peace… well it’s almost never (in my experience) translated.

Secondly, this video is extremely biased to the point of hate mongering. The video assumes that in those statistics, ALL of the Muslims in its given percentages are violent, flag-burning extremists.
Furthermore, how much of of those percentages are practicing Muslims? Technically, anyone born into a Muslim household will be defined as Muslim - no matter what he/she does in his/her lifetime - until they officially renounce Islam. With this taken into account, the number of Muslims capable of causing problems in, say, France will drop to about 1%-2%.

I go to a very diverse school, with many Muslims (more than Christians), and the only violent and world dominating notions I’ve seen from the Muslims were from one, maybe two other Muslims and my past self - thank God those days of mine are over.

I want to stop the spread of radical Islam more than anyone, but we don’t do that by spreading falsehood and fear too. This video is almost as bad as the ‘Muslim Demographics’ video which claimed that Germany will be an Islamic state by 2050 (if I remember right, please correct me if I’m wrong).
 
Amir…

So are you of Middle Eastern descent?

How would your family or other Muslim families you know would treat a family member if they left Islam…in England?

Yes, we think that the problems within Islam must be dealt with by Islam. There is www.newageislam.com…always refer them to others…these Muslims want to restore the use of reason to Islam which existed a long time ago.

Because of the internet, though, more and more people are becoming aware of these people…and we are now reading how Al Qaeda is targeting Egyptian Copt Catholics in Vancouver, BC of all places…I used to go to Vancouver, BC when I was in college at the American/Canadian state line. The Copts there have a webpage where they are denouncing aspects of Islam and now Al Qaeda has their names, pictures, and phone numbers and they are out to cut their heads off.

So the ‘target’ and threat of decapitation is only within so many hours from my home. This is why I am hard on people who come here…to not bring their violence and hate with no hope of mutual understanding and forgiveness to my land; we have more than enough problems of our own.

The Middle East problems have seemed to go on for so, so many years in the history of mankind…that have prominence…because Israel and the surrounding areas are the epicenters of great religions.

I began reading about the violence and continual warmongering by these after 9/11. It was like continual war and skirmishes for 1,400 years. Now it is coming to my land, so far, far away.

Last night at Mass I prayed to God that the world will rise up and finally stop the fratricide by these sects who blaspheme the Almighty God
 
Amir…

So are you of Middle Eastern descent?

How would your family or other Muslim families you know would treat a family member if they left Islam…in England?

Yes, we think that the problems within Islam must be dealt with by Islam. There is www.newageislam.com…always refer them to others…these Muslims want to restore the use of reason to Islam which existed a long time ago.

Because of the internet, though, more and more people are becoming aware of these people…and we are now reading how Al Qaeda is targeting Egyptian Copt Catholics in Vancouver, BC of all places…I used to go to Vancouver, BC when I was in college at the American/Canadian state line. The Copts there have a webpage where they are denouncing aspects of Islam and now Al Qaeda has their names, pictures, and phone numbers and they are out to cut their heads off.

So the ‘target’ and threat of decapitation is only within so many hours from my home. This is why I am hard on people who come here…to not bring their violence and hate with no hope of mutual understanding and forgiveness to my land; we have more than enough problems of our own.

The Middle East problems have seemed to go on for so, so many years in the history of mankind…that have prominence…because Israel and the surrounding areas are the epicenters of great religions.

I began reading about the violence and continual warmongering by these after 9/11. It was like continual war and skirmishes for 1,400 years. Now it is coming to my land, so far, far away.

Last night at Mass I prayed to God that the world will rise up and finally stop the fratricide by these sects who blaspheme the Almighty God
Kathleen,

Honestly, even among “secular Muslim” families, a child officially renouncing the religion will face a steady level of opposition. This opposition doesn’t stem from religious zeal, but from the fact that culture and religion is sometimes inseparable in the regions where Islam thrives. Hence, renouncing one’s religion may be tantamount to disgracing the culture for some families. This is where honour killings come from - an act which is in no way endorsed by Islam itself, but practiced because it’s very common in Islamic areas. So, even non-Muslims living in, say, Pakistan may even commit honour killings.

My mother herself does not hold to any of the commandments of Islam, yet when I implied that I was interested in Christianity, she told me that we’re Muslim. This was a couple of years back so times may have changed, especially with all the recent atrocities in the Muslim word. Specifically the brutality of the Iranian regime when it came to handling the 2009 protests.

Islam needs a serious reform as much of it is barbaric. It’s not the odd isolated case like a Christian blowing up an abortion clinic, but violence in the name of Islam is found everywhere! From war in Chechnya, bombings in Iraq, stonings in Afghanistan, honour killings in Pakistan and forced marriages in Bangladesh.

No religion of God could breed so much violence, in my opinion. On the other hand, we won’t get anywhere by spreading fear like this video does and as a result encouraging hate against fellow human beings.

Peace.

P.S. And just to clarify for everyone, just in case, my comments on the outcomes of Muslim percentages on a country (as in the case of France) are purely my opinion. Feel free to disagree. 🙂
 
Ya Amir,

Very good points about religion and culture, and how honor killings fit in to that. I have never believed those people who say that honor killing is “Islamic”. It is tribal. In the non-Muslim world, things like that used to be quite common as “blood feuds”. The most famous one in United States history, between the Hatfields and the McCoys, lasted almost 120 years! It’s a feature of tribal/honor-based societies, which the societies in the Muslim world are.
 
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