**That is a move to defer the matter. Why proper reply could not be given. Why ask the dead people to pray for you?? Their chapter is closed. They cannot help themselves now.They are dead. How could those dead persons help any christian?? **
I’m not so sure that denying the crucifixion is beautiful (see Qur’an 4:157).
DO all Muslim woman dress modestly? Do you really beileve that? Would you say the ones who do not are not true Muslims?
** It means that DiL cannot understand what is being said by the Muslims and thinks that Muslims are accusing. While it is the other way around. MW has righly claified the position.**
**That was not a reply to the question which was asked about the graven images or statues. Whether the church teaches bowing to images and statues? The answer was required Yes or NO.The same old song from our broken record
The Ten Commandments do not forbid men from MAKING statues, but WORSHIPPING them.
Since Christians never claim that a statue is the TRUE GOD, your comments are meaningless.
I’ve spent considerable time in the middle east, politics and religion are interchangeable. Political leaders are usually either religious leaders or lay people with strong backing of the respected religious leaders. An Islamic leader will rarely make political statements not approved by their cleric handlers.
I have personally seen on a television talk show in the emirates an imam explain to the viewers how to humanely beat their wives without leaving marks. He did state that excessive beating was not in keeping with Islam but apparently as long as marks arent left it is ok. Sister Amy, are you ok with being beaten as long as your husband doesnt leave marks?There is a basic principle in Islam, no harm and no reciprocal harm. You say a man can beat his wife, and I say he cannot harm her. So if he can beat her without harming her, fine..
The criteria for taking extra wives sounds great in theory, but it is seldom implemented in practice even though a man is expected to be able to provide for the additional wife and children without putting the family into poverty that is about the only criteria. As for attitudes towards slavery, don’t make me laugh. Some muslim nations did not outlaw slavery until the 1960s and then only under overwhelming international pressure. Even now it exists in all but name in nations like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Sudan to name a couple. Even in a supposedly progressive muslim nation like the UAE the sex slave industy is alive and well. This does not include the fact that many overseas workers from developing nations like the philippines are treated like slaves upon arrival in the middle east for work, with passports confiscated and excessive debt piled upon them so that they work practically for free for sometimes years. Even the emir of Dubai was named in a child trafficking trial in Florida a couple of years ago for a boy that was kidnapped to be a camel jockey. So with all due respect, Sister Amy, slavery is alive and well in the heartland of Islam.
What you are talking about is in the Old Testament. This was a special condition to avoid contamination of the Israelites by a particularly vile people. This was not a carte blanche to be carried throughout history into the present.
Actually Planten you just replied to it so it hasn’t been avoided.
**It is true that Muslims are intolerant about statues. But please remember that they are intolerant about worshipping the idols. In that matter also, the Muslims should leave the pagans alone and should let them worship what they like."considering muslims destroy art work, as they did in raids in India and destroyed Hindu art work and I am not sure if they believed the statues were considered the entities themselves or just art, in the so many churches across muslim lands now the muslims have destroyed so much and they violate a lot of things such as they did in Jerusalem - there is no respect for anything that is non-muslim. There is no attempt at understanding that anything could be different from islam’s idea of things.
The three major jihads against India, in the past, the muslims destroyed a lot. They are on another jihad in India that they officially declared late last year - so who knows how much more will be destroyed.
There is little tolerance in islam. But, we are supposed to tolerate the intolerant ones or else the ‘victimhood’ moaning starts.
How many more notes about statues do you guys require before you even attempt to understand ‘art work’? Or how we pray? Or anything? The reason why I ask is because there is NEVER an attempt to understand anything because in islam, muslims are not taught to tolerate anything else"
It is true that Muslims are intolerant and have no understanding or respect for Sacred Art. This is a pity. We are interested in all art and Muslim art is very beautiful and we appreciate it very much.
I think that there are Muslims who do not regard us as human or that we matter at all. I really believe that because of their actions.
I am Catholic and wear a beautiful crucifix. I frequent a coffee shop and there are some Muslim women who also come there. We started greeting each other and for a few months now whenever they see me they come and give me a hug and there is genuine affection as we chat and share news.
Muslims are human just like us. They have hearts to love and they cry tears and experience all the emotions we experience. It is their Faith that is used as an instrument to dominate them. Women are not respected as they should be. There is little freedom of choice. I know a Catholic priest who has a PHD in Islamic studies and I think this is admirable. He did this to gain insight and thorough understanding of Muslims. I attended some of his talks and there were some Imams there also who at the end thanked the priest for his accurate and unbiased lectures. I think it is commendable that he went to all that trouble to understand Muslims. You won’t find a Muslim doing likewise.
When there is a disaster anywhere in the world it is always the Western world that comes to the rescue. How often do you hear of any of the Muslim states donating towards causes that are not Muslim? Recently Saudi Arabia donated to Indonedia but how much have the West donated before that? With regard to our charities - we help everybody no matter their race or creed. We open our doors to all the poor and don’t ask questions. Do Muslims do that?
I know of an incidence which touched my heart. A friend of mine who opened her home to abandoned children and who at the time was going through terrible economic strife told me this story. Her husband had had a nervous breakdown and was in an institution and she did not know how she was going to pay her bond. One day a Muslim came to her door and asked about her “Ministry” and she showed him around. A few days later she found an envelope in her bost box with a cheque for the exact amount she needed. This was an exception and I am very pleased to know about this.
I am sure the Holy Spirit operates within the Muslim communities and that there must be many wonderful Muslim people who are genuinely good people. I believe that there is salvation for everybody and that God in his mercy will open his doors to all who love him, no matter what they call Him: God, Allah, Jahweh.
An interesting concept within the Catholic Church is that of “implicit faith”. This is something I embraced immediately because I sensed that it was right and true. It is not for us to judge - that is the domain of God. We must just love and obey.
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This talk about mini skirts and bikinis is sooooo silly - not worth discussing.
The fact that the fullness of the truth might not lie in Muslim theology does not in any way undermine the beauty of their piety.
I am curious does deepness and piety necessarily mean that it is a good thing? There are many things that are deep that lead to false piety and rigtheousness. Shouldn’t we lso explore the faith of the rich Muslims as well?
I don’t know. I guess that depends on if you really believe Jesus when he said that we must become like little children. I guess that depends if actually believing and living your life like God IS the Almighty, All-Merciful, All-powerful, creator that Catholics claim to believe, is different then just professing it in a creed.
“Fullness of the truth”? C’mon, d_floyed77; Either Christians are fools, or the Qur’an is lying.
If we have the truth why would we study falsehood? To determine counterfiet money you don’t study counterfeit money you study the real thing. Many Christians barely know there own faith and can not explain or defend their beliefs. I think it is dangerous for Christians to study other religions if they are not strong in their own, it can lead to confusion.
Faith is not an intellectual endeavour friend.
God doesn’t ask you to follow him blindly though my friend. He makes the fools wise.
That is also what leads to cults. We should study the word of God. If you do not know it how can you explain it to others?