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We cannot say the same thing for Mohammad though since he was not a true prophet.
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KenEOTE
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Also Moses murdered a man. He also didn’t do all that God told him.
Abraham lied and decieved a King and had his wife given to that King.
Muhammad murdered and killed, he also slept with a littel girl;… Is none of this immoral?
I agree however that Jesus did not commit any immoral acts.
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KenEOTE
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I guess also the idea that Prophets do not make mistakes. They are humans and therefore sinful.
Jesus was not a prophet He is God.
Jesus was not a prophet He is God.
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hamba2han
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Prophet Jesus (pbuh) most definitely did NOT put up any statues or graven images of Cherubims (or for that matter, statues of any other of God’s creations like that of his own mother) in the temple that he worshipped in.
And neither did any of his disciples did this after his alleged crucifixion.
And so, why do modern Christians have this need to do it?
Are they following Jesus (pbuh) and his disciples in they way that they worshipped the Lord… or… are they following the ways of their Church leaders when they bow down to these statues and graven images?
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morning_star777
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But muslims are allowed to break idols of other gods,isn’t it?Can’t you remember that muhammed broke 360 idol of pagan gods?Btw,when muslims ruled india then the 6th mughal emperor(aowrangajeb/alamgir)compeled hindus to pay jizyah tax though india is a hindu country!!!
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medallionsnijme
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ok planten, let me put this to you like this, now think with me here, its a theory: if it wasnt the real angel Gabriel that narrated the qu’ran to muhammed, what if it was really satan posing as an angel of light (like in my previous post in regards to the story of how he posed as Christ without the marks of the Crucifixion). remember, the Angel Gabriel already told the Blessed Virgin she was going to conceive of a Son who was the Son of God. we ALL KNOW that satan is our enemy, so then wouldnt it be “smart” and sneaky of satan to pose islam as though it were something good but in reality wasnt. let me take this a step further: the “soul” of Christianity- no matter what denomination- is based on Christ’s Passion, Death on the Cross, and the Resurrection. it was the pinnacle point in history that redeemed man and changed the course of history forever. now, based on this, wouldnt it also be sneaky of satan - who is the ‘great deceiver’ - posing as St.Gabriel to tell muhammed and his followers that everything that the Christians believe is false, and yet throw in enough bits of truths and “niceties” to sugar-coat the fact that muslims are in fact denying everything about Christ and playing it down as Christians are lunatics. like a candy thats sweet on the outside and poison on the inside; by the time you realize whats happened, youre already dead. that satan’s deceiving you and preventing you from accepting so great a gift from God for your redemption by making you deny that Christ’s death ever happend. making you deny that God would be so personal and interested in your eternal welfare as to send His only-begotten Son to die a horrendous, brutal, bloody, violent death just to save you by means of those great wounds and the spilling of that Most Precious Blood. remember, satan wages war against all of us, no matter what we believe, he hates us all and wants us all to suffer eternally with him because he knows we are THAT precious to God, and he KNOWS the value of Christ’s sacrifice. now, if there is a Great Truth that IS Christ, isnt it better for satan’s plans to bring souls to hell via the deceptions and denials that are in the qu’ran because if you deny it, you cannot accept it.
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R_not
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I have not read anywhere the thread that Aisha wore a bikini. Your imagination has gotten carried away with you. and as for the other stuff about islam - you better believe they are the truth, if it from one of my posts. muslims do not tolerate any infidel speaking the truth about islam, mohammed or the koran. Especially from infidels.
Sorry but cite a reference that is not truth and then come back. You cited a fairy tale in your mind as an example that never occurred and if it did - post who did it.
And islam is bad. Its prophet was a murderer, thief, liar, enslaver, rapist, (taking slaves against their will is rape). And this is what its adherents do to this day.
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medallionsnijme
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hamba2h, anare you SERIOUSLY still on this question? if you are not going to pay attention to previous posts and our responses to you WHY do you insist on wasting space here?
p/s: there have been saints since the ancient Church, an ancient prayer to St. Joseph being one, and devotions to the Blessed Virgin as another.
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planten
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**Good morning_Star, Good questions. Please remember that there was basic difference between Muslims and pagans of Makkah on the issue of Unitarian faith. For that the pagans persecuted Muslims for 18 years, In Makkah and Madinah (They attacked Madinah many times).
So when they were defeated then it was necessary to break the idols which were residing in the Ka’abah. What was the use of those idols. Nobody was going to worship them any more. Even the Pagans were not allowed to live in that city. The pagans were given four months to forget their faith of idolatory or they were to leave the city. Four months was good enough for them. The idols had to be broken because the house at Makkah (Ka’abah) was built by Abraham and Ishmael for the worship of One God. It was not built for the idols. Please try to understand that.
Now about King Aurangzeb. He was justified to do what he did. He did not kill or disturb any Hindu in the land. But he was being opposed and war was imposed (war of liberation etc) on him. So the Hindus were attacking the kingdom regularly. He defended his kingdom.
In such situation when there is a war in the area, it is necessary to impose some tax on the non-Muslims so that they know their postion (status) in the country. Please remember that during the second world war (WWII) when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour, the Americans came into the war against the axis forces.
America declared war on the Japanese. On the same day, they picked up all Japanese living in America and put them in some secluded area under control. Please tell me why they did that?? According to you, they did wrong. But according to me, they did the right thing. What do you say?? **
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medallionsnijme
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i would hope so! though some have slipped up…some pope’s did, too…(or did i miss something in your statement?)Are you sure of this?
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R_not
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What don’t you understand about all the posts that have already been posted explaining this?! Why don’t you go back and READ them. And even if you don’t like the explanations - GET OVER IT! TOLERATE others like we are supposed to tolerate your ‘religion’.
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medallionsnijme
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who cares if its safe? its not technically “safe” really anywhere, some places might just be more so than others. i dont think safety has stopped other people (some of them martyrs, who are good examples!) from preaching and showing by example what they believe in. beleive it and dont be afraid to show it! thats my motto! if anyones got a problem with it thats their issue.
the early Christians who converted from paganism in Rome and the empire lived in dangerous times and places, and they were persecuted put to the death for their faith. they were great examples to prove to others that there mustbe something more to what these Christian martyrs believed than what the pagans believed. i doubt any of the pagans would have been wanting to die for their puerile gods. these martyrs were a huge inspiration to the spread of Christianity because of such drastic shows of faith. theres more than one way to be a martyr.
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planten
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**Sorry, I cannot follow or answer your long post. The only thing that I present to you is to be sensible and think like this:
Would Satan come and tell Muhammad all the good things about Jesus and Mary??. Please be careful.
If you insist on your bad idea about the angel Gabriel and Muhammad then I would tell you that it could have been the Satan who came to Jospeh the carpenter in the Dream and told him that Mary was pregnant with the holy Ghost. Infact she was pregnant with the spirit of the Satan. And a Satan was born out of her. Could that be true?
I cannot understand what else to say in reply to your over simplistic question.
If such bad things can happen then anything can happen. Have you read the Quran? If not do it. It is the master piece of God’s message to mankind. It is the last and final testament. Don’t miss it. **
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R_not
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Why don’t you read some history for yourself about WWII? they did it because of fear. Why do muslims destroy art, statues, churches, etc? (I will keep on asking it since you don’t read the posts answering the questions of muslims time and again, and keep on asking the same questions.)
As for your explanation of why muslims keep doing it to this day - is nonsensical. but I find islam nonsensical since so many people follow a guy who was an enslaver, murderer, liar, thief, etc. And they call him holy and a prophet, along with a koran that directs the followers to do the same.
There is no attempt for the adherents of islam to learn about islam because if they did they would leave islam in droves. But, there again - muslims justify more killing if muslims try to leave.
So, muslims are unable to tolerate others, even read about the explanations for things that they are questioning because they want to keep on asking the same questions? Why do you do that?
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morning_star777
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dear planten can you answer me that why pagans were not allowed to live this city mecca when muslims captured it?You(muslims)always try to prove ur religion as the sign of peace.but tell me was it a peaceful act?btw,you know after muhamed’s death most of arab became pagan again&abu bakr arranged riddha war(war against apostates)&then the arabs again back to islam when they lost in battle with muslims.wasn’t it a forced conversion by war?
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planten
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** That means you have no reply. You are not following jesus. You are just using the name of Jesus. Otherwise you are doing everything against his wishes, even keeping statues, images, models in the church which Jesus and his followers never did.
If you had loved Jesus you would not be tired of giving a reply again.
Besides that, the christians do not follow the lifestyle of Jesus. They do not do what he used to do in the matter of religion and relation to God. What to say about the present day church policy!. It is totally void of the Jesus teachings.**
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R_not
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by planten, Let the christians teach what they like. And let the Muslims describe what they have in the Quran and please do not say that Quran is a lie. Otherwise we Muslims will prove that your reports are all wrong.
Well, we have had threads about that and it ended out being closed down probably because you were unable to deal that the koran is not a nice book, and many of the stories that mohammed made up about the bible were lies. and that the other parts of the koran are battle tactics against infidels.
We don’t care if you question the Bible, why should you care if we do the same to the koran? It is just that it is very easy to refute the koran and you guys don’t like that - you are so used to censoring all other discussions about it that you are unable to justify your koran. Which would be impossible to do anyway.
I look at the koran as an extension of mohammed and his making his god and his ways forced upon others. He was paranoid - he called for the deaths of so many people. He was greedy which is proven in all his raids and thefts of not only goods, but women and children he would pass around as booty. And his hatred of women was very obvious. It is not surprising since he was rejected by his mother when he was little, farmed out to a nurse, and his father died when he was a baby. An indication of a ‘mother fixation’ was his marrying a woman 15 years his senior. And we know the rest with his slaves and multiple wives and even making heaven into some lusty paradise where women are nothing but things to use by the males.
He didn’t even respect his stepson’s marriage and lusted after his wife of which he made a surah saying allah wanted him to have his wife too! And this is why muslims don’t adopt because mohammed said not to since they might lust after the wives, or want the girl children for their lusty desires.
How can a people think that this is a nice thing? How can people think that this is what a God would want of his people? It is chaos, hatred, death, jealousy, greed, etc - mostly what we are taught are the 7 deadly sins.
And if the muslims get their way - they don’t even allow Christians, or any non-muslim, to teach their religion. so, talk about tolerance - they want it from us but are unwilling to give it to others. I would say this is a bit of hypocracy.
Well, we have had threads about that and it ended out being closed down probably because you were unable to deal that the koran is not a nice book, and many of the stories that mohammed made up about the bible were lies. and that the other parts of the koran are battle tactics against infidels.
We don’t care if you question the Bible, why should you care if we do the same to the koran? It is just that it is very easy to refute the koran and you guys don’t like that - you are so used to censoring all other discussions about it that you are unable to justify your koran. Which would be impossible to do anyway.
I look at the koran as an extension of mohammed and his making his god and his ways forced upon others. He was paranoid - he called for the deaths of so many people. He was greedy which is proven in all his raids and thefts of not only goods, but women and children he would pass around as booty. And his hatred of women was very obvious. It is not surprising since he was rejected by his mother when he was little, farmed out to a nurse, and his father died when he was a baby. An indication of a ‘mother fixation’ was his marrying a woman 15 years his senior. And we know the rest with his slaves and multiple wives and even making heaven into some lusty paradise where women are nothing but things to use by the males.
He didn’t even respect his stepson’s marriage and lusted after his wife of which he made a surah saying allah wanted him to have his wife too! And this is why muslims don’t adopt because mohammed said not to since they might lust after the wives, or want the girl children for their lusty desires.
How can a people think that this is a nice thing? How can people think that this is what a God would want of his people? It is chaos, hatred, death, jealousy, greed, etc - mostly what we are taught are the 7 deadly sins.
And if the muslims get their way - they don’t even allow Christians, or any non-muslim, to teach their religion. so, talk about tolerance - they want it from us but are unwilling to give it to others. I would say this is a bit of hypocracy.
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R_not
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I posted a post about statues and you are not reading them and now you judge me and of course, you judge with a nasty edge.
Go reread post #427.
don’t even be as presumptuous to tell me how I stand before Jesus - or anyone for that matter. If you wanted to know the answers you would be reading the posts and not asking the same questions. If I haven’t answered the questions then others have - so many times it is getting old.
Is that how you wear people down is by this repetition? I know that islam is a never ending war, but is da’wa a neverending asking the same questions of others so in the end they get tired of it all and walk away from you so you can say ‘see, I told you so!’, and then forget all that was told to you?
The argument that Jesus is this to me or that to me doesn’t even hold water since you have no say in the matter. It is just another tactic to try to prove something to yourself.
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medallionsnijme
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what does the thing about Noah’s wife and pharaoh’s wife have to do with anything? if i remember correctly, wasnt it pharaoh who challenged the God of Abraham and also brought down God’s wrath on all of egypt…sounds like a real tantalizing proposition
explain that to me, i would like to know.as for the Church being the Bride of Christ, we, the Christians make up the Church -a.k.a. Body of Christ, Christ is our Head- and that, my friend is your answer. we are part of the Body of Christ which is His Church. He is close to us as a Divine Spouse. We have the Holy Sacraments - ESPECIALLY Holy Communion and Reconciliation - as proof. Christ would not leave us alone here on earth without help, therefore He instituted the Sacraments → as we will find in Scripture as well as in the Holy Rosary (which is based off of Scripture and dogma), and He founded the Church by passing the Keys of Heaven to St. Peter. that, my friend, is where we are headed: as Christ said before His Ascension into Heaven, “…you know the way that I go. …I go to prepare a place for you”. He wants His Spouse - the Church which makes up His Body - to be with Him for all time in Heaven.
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medallionsnijme
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i already told you that i have read the qu’ran and it is full of horrible things. yes, there are some statements in it that pertain to truth, but not enough to convince me of anything. that is part of what i was getting at in my previous post.
yes, there are things in there about Jesus and Mary, however, my point was that the qu’rans teachings still deny the very essence of Christ’s message, Who He is, and the very thing that has redeemed the world: His Crucifixion and Resurrection, even though there are “truths”( according to you) that have been implanted in the qu’ran. my point is that islam claims to “follow” Jesus, but they’ve never absorbed what He said, taught, and did specifically because you have been taught that it never happened (being His death), and you have been taught that, basically, Christ is a liar and that He isn’t the Son of God and the Son of Man, much like the Jews. they crucified Him for that same reason, because they thought He was just a blasphemer. He wasn’t the kind of messiah they were hoping for. they were materialistically bound and had their hearts set on the kingdom of the earth rather than accept that His Kingdom is Heaven. everything He taught was the Way to Heaven.
yet, muslims still “honor” Him as a Prophet, which yes, He was. however, on the other side, muslims say that He wasn’t God, wasnt the fulfillment of the previous prophecies, etc. i dont see how they can claim to “honor” Him in one respect and then deny what is the Truth, and still find justification for it and still claim that they “follow” Jesus and what he teaches. “My sheep know My voice”, Jesus said. what islam says in regards is a paradox. its not possible to have more than one reality for the Truth.Truth IS. no if’s and’s or but’s.
…the quran being the “last testament” …no way. its too contradictory to the New Testament. read any of my previous statements from the beginning of posting and you will see that i won’t buy that. especially with the “claim to fame” of the Paraclete that Christ mentions as being muhammed. thats not it at all! the Paraclete is the Holy Spirit, which we have a testimony of when the Apostles were praying with the Blessed Virgin at Pentecost. look it up. have you tried reading from the Bible and cross-referencing between the Old Testament with the New? try reading Isaiah and then any one of the Gospels, i like Luke. try Luke. there are snippets of Christ all over the Old Testament. its really quite interesting.
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