Islam is BAD!!!

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Thank you for sharing your personal story and views with me, R_not. I respect greatly that you are willing to do so. It helps to understand where people are coming from, and parts of your story are relatable to my family’s own story as well. My cousin has served in Iraq (the current war, not the first), and now will perhaps be heading to Afghanistan. My family has a military tradition stretching at least back to WWII where my grandfathers each served (one as a medic and one as a soldier). I have the utmost respect for all who serve in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world. Theirs is a sacrifice I cannot imagine making, and I am very thankful that they are willing to do so.

I guess I am just dealing with the Muslims that I see on an day-to-day basis, not necessarily connecting them to specific events or peoples in the Middle East. So I approach them differently because if I approach them in a friendly, loving manner, hopefully I can help to show them what is good in Christianity through my individual interactions with them. If they are lying when they say they respect me, then it is on their consciences. They will have to answer to THE LORD in the end, and we can at least both agree that the Lord is NOT Muhammad’s version of God! 🙂
 
dzheremi said:
Thank you for sharing your personal story and views with me, R_not. I respect greatly that you are willing to do so. It helps to understand where people are coming from, and parts of your story are relatable to my family’s own story as well. My cousin has served in Iraq (the current war, not the first), and now will perhaps be heading to Afghanistan. My family has a military tradition stretching at least back to WWII where my grandfathers each served (one as a medic and one as a soldier). I have the utmost respect for all who serve in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world. Theirs is a sacrifice I cannot imagine making, and I am very thankful that they are willing to do so.

I guess I am just dealing with the Muslims that I see on an day-to-day basis, not necessarily connecting them to specific events or peoples in the Middle East. So I approach them differently because if I approach them in a friendly, loving manner, hopefully I can help to show them what is good in Christianity through my individual interactions with them. If they are lying when they say they respect me, then it is on their consciences. They will have to answer to THE LORD in the end, and we can at least both agree that the Lord is NOT Muhammad’s version of God! 🙂
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Well, I can’t trust them anymore.

I also had a boyfriend (before I joined the USMC) who got a degree in engineering and went to saudi arabia. He came back an alcoholic (they were allowed to drink on the Aramco base where they lived) and ended out dying on the road (he only took himself). Well, yes - it was his fault but what he told me has never left me. He saw a woman getting beheaded because she did not have witnesses to her rape. He saw people getting limbs taken off - and it wasn’t a surgical procedure! He saw the slave class (the muslims ‘throw them away’ when they are done using them) being ran over alive with bulldozers and other machinery with no concern by the muslims who drove the equipment. He said that the saudis are ‘less than’ and what he meant was that that they are DUMB with exclamation points after it!

Well, some books that I have read about saudi society enlightened me to that and I remembered what he said - it seems that the degree sought after the most in saudi arabia is islamic studies. And many of the saudis do not even place a high value on education if they are in the royal family - but the others basically get highly trained in the wahabbism of saudi arabia. and that is saudi arabia’s highest export besides oil - wahabbi imams and jihadists.

This is the country where they consider their holy artifacts are located at. One of those cities being Medina - the city where the slavers still carry on their slave trade.

My boyfriend said that I would never have made it in saudi arabia - and he knew me. I figured he was right in that assumption. By the way, he never did hear from a friend of his who was thrown in a saudi jail and it was a couple of years that had lapsed before he died and he never did hear anything more on it. I remember discussing this with him and he never heard from him.
 
R_not said:
Unfortunately, people like Silouan do not help matters by appeasing islam as others have done in countries such as Lebanon, etc. .
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I am not going to let my bad experience with Islam, make me lie about Islam. I won’t lie for you or anyone else.

Jesus, “I am the truth, the way and the light.”

So to be of Christ, I have to speak the truth, I am not going to lie for anyone.

In Christ,

Silouan
 
Silouan said:
I am not going to let my bad experience with Islam, make me lie about Islam. I won’t lie for you or anyone else.

Jesus, “I am the truth, the way and the light.”

So to be of Christ, I have to speak the truth, I am not going to lie for anyone.

In Christ,

Silouan
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I have never asked anyone to lie for me. But, islam has and muslims do.
 
Salaam/peace
R_not said:
:banghead:

One more time:

ISLAM ALLOWS IT. Sharia law is based on the koran …
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more than 6 thousands verses are in the holy Quran . Why not mention a **single verse **that orders Muslim men to kill Muslim women in the name of honour killing?
 
Salaam/ peace;
R_not said:
Why do you worry so much about what the Jews believe in? I have never met one that disrespected, bullied, or threatened anyone to believe what they believe in.

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huh… did not Jews try to kill your Lord & they & u believe they successed ? :confused:
 
Salaam/peace
inJESUS said:
R-Not, Killing adulterous is Islamic but honour killing is not …
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related verses :

The Noble Qur’an An-Nur 24:2-9

…The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes.

Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allâh, if you believe in Allâh and the Last Day.

And let a party of the believers witness their punishment.

… And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fâsiqûn (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).
 
Muslim_Woman said:
Salaam/peace

related verses :

The Noble Qur’an An-Nur 24:2-9

…The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes.

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flogging applies to non-married women…married ones must be stoned, according to the sunna of Muhammad which shows that stoning is part of the Quran yet not found in the current Quran.
 
R-Not, i understand what you are talking about…i come from a country where people cried for help against Muslims, where many were killed or indirectly coerced to convert …where people worshipped in caves in the cold mountains away from Muslims…and no Islam’s ideologies are not peaceful and no one can read the Quran and hadith and be filled with the Spirit of love…
 
inJESUS said:
it is confusing since crimes in Egypt are not punished according to sharia 🤷
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well the dates were from 1980. perhaps something has changed, but i haven’t found anything yet.

i will keep digging. i might start a thread where we list what countries implement sharia law and what sect they are.

this is all very interesting and far more important than i think most westerners realize.
 
All these punishments and flogging are not what Jesus came here for. Before you judge, check under your skirt and know who you really are. May those who flogged never sinned. Although Jesus forgiving of the prostitute and testing of those who wanted to stone her are more symbolic as guiding us for forgiveness to love one another, the law of muslims are extreme because if we all want to become perfect in the eyes of God we would never do such kind of punishment. Incest, public lewdness, perversy and rape are unlawful because they are forced by an offender. Having sex consensually are mental misjudgement of both party but because it was with consent means they may both loved each other deeper than their spouses. The punishment here should therefore not to be served by men but by God alone and God never said they should be flogged or stoned to death. If they repent and lived accordingly afterwards, who knows they may more qualified to be rewarded by God. Muhammed made so many offenses against women and therefore his teachings should be considered irrelevant and unworthy for guidance.
 
rikkk1958 said:
All these punishments and flogging are not what Jesus came here for. Before you judge, check under your skirt and know who you really are. May those who flogged never sinned. Although Jesus forgiving of the prostitute and testing of those who wanted to stone her are more symbolic as guiding us for forgiveness to love one another, the law of muslims are extreme because if we all want to become perfect in the eyes of God we would never do such kind of punishment. Incest, public lewdness, perversy and rape are unlawful because they are forced by an offender. Having sex consensually are mental misjudgement of both party but because it was with consent means they may both loved each other deeper than their spouses. The punishment here should therefore not to be served by men but by God alone and God never said they should be flogged or stoned to death. If they repent and lived accordingly afterwards, who knows they may more qualified to be rewarded by God. Muhammed made so many offenses against women and therefore his teachings should be considered irrelevant and unworthy for guidance.
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totally agree.

and btw, islam says you are to be flogged if you drink or gamble as well. also the game of chess is forbidden, but i am not sure of the punishment.

and not only does stoning take your life, but it does it in a slow torturous way as the stones can’t be large enough where one could deal a death blow. i am not sure if this is just an iranian thing or if the size of the rocks was actually something from mohammed. either way stoning sure is.

youtube.com/watch?v=fPqNCr8KKdU

this is a post from this thread:

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Execution of those who convert from Islam to another religion is punishable by death in the following countries:
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Pakistan
  • Iran
  • Kuwait
  • Dubai
  • Syria
  • Yemen
  • Libya
  • Sudan
The following countries impose other penalties fro converting from Islam. These include imprisonment, forced reconversion, torture, additional taxes and/or the surrender of their child and the dissolution of the marriage.
  • All countries listed above
  • Indonesia
  • Turkey
  • Jordan
  • Egypt
  • Chad
  • Afghanistan (Considering adopting death penalty after American forces depart)
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Silouan said:
I am not going to let my bad experience with Islam, make me lie about Islam. I won’t lie for you or anyone else.

Jesus, “I am the truth, the way and the light.”

So to be of Christ, I have to speak the truth, I am not going to lie for anyone.

In Christ,

Silouan
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Well said Silouan, be brave for the truth. At least we have some one who is working for Jesus. You will be rewarded.
 
inJESUS said:
flogging applies to non-married women…married ones must be stoned, according to the sunna of Muhammad which shows that stoning is part of the Quran yet not found in the current Quran.
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** inJesus, you do not know abc of real Islam. Please know that it is in Judaic law that adulterer must be stoned to death. It is not in the Quran.

Until the verse in chapter 24 was revealed, the prophet used to follow the earlier (Mosiac) law of stoning. But when the order had come to flog the adulterer then that was to be followed. So there is no stoning in the Quran for the adulterer or the fornicator.

But inJesus is right. The Muslim clergy is adamant to act like Jews and wants to stone the adulterer. But that is wrong. Stoning is a capital punishment. It can only be awarded if it is proved by the Quran. Stoning cannot be allowed on the basis of any Hadith.**
 
Salaam/peace;
planten said:
** inJesus, you do not know abc of real Islam. Please know that it is in Judaic law that adulterer must be stoned to death. It is not in the Quran.

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“If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.”

(Deuteronomy 22: 22)

“If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death”

(Leviticus 20: 10).
 
Muslim_Woman said:
Salaam/peace

more than 6 thousands verses are in the holy Quran . Why not mention a **single verse **that orders Muslim men to kill Muslim women in the name of honour killing?
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While everyone is splitting hairs about the words of the koran - every, single muslim country allows honor killings and I have already provided websites that prove that not only do the muslim males protest if some of these countries try to change this law - the other countries do NOTHING to stop it unless those muslims are living in Western countries.

And the sickening part of this is the silence of muslim women and others that usually protest human abuses that live in the West. There are more people such as Mr. Robert Spencer that try to bring these abuses to light that get bullied, bashed and intimidated by muslims - even muslim women.

This whole scenario is sickening. And we split hairs over if it is in the koran or not. The koran has so much other vile things such as it being ok to enslave, kill and deceive that to use it to split hairs over these atrocities is a joke.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
Salaam/peace;

“If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.”

(Deuteronomy 22: 22)

“If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death”

(Leviticus 20: 10).
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maybe this is why there is no progress in muslim countries with not only science, but also with literature, math, and in their laws - because no matter how many times one tells the same muslim something - that muslim is unable to learn, or to tolerate, or to do anything except follow their 6th century koran.

No one does what you are quoting and no one has done it for several millenium.

What do you not understand about that? Is it that you cannot understand or you do not want to understand?
 
Muslim_Woman said:
Salaam/ peace;

huh… did not Jews try to kill your Lord & they & u believe they successed ? :confused:
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Well, unlike islam and mohammed - Jesus forgave those people - the Romans and the Jews. And how can I be angry with the descendents of those people 2,000 years later who have done nothing, and do not do anything, against anyone on a whole?

You can be angry with them and you can hate them. Since I know that the koran teaches you hatred and your posts tell me that you are not learning but asking the same questions time and again - I would say that until you are willing to open up your mind to anything that is not of the koran and islam - you will be stymied in your life and not grow as a person.

Unfortunately, history is not correct when muslims teach it. they use ‘turnspeak’ when they teach it and until you go out of your comfort zone and search for the truth - you will continue to ask the same, dullard questions that you do.

This is another reason why islam is BAD. The stagnation of the human mind and soul is the result of islam.
 
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