Islam is BAD!!!

[meedo]

the Quran is said to be eternal and uncreated, not Allah yet not different from Allah.

 

[inJESUS]

you must understand the argument because the comparison is an analogy not to be argued in details…we know you do not worship the Quran, yet it is the uncreated and eternal word of Allah, not He yet not other than He…in other words, you cannot seperate Allah from His Word, they are distinct but not seperate.

Yes we worship Jesus, the eternal and uncreated Word of God throu Mary without a biological father for a reason called incarnation.

 

[aaronjo]

…the virgin birth has a meaning in Christianity and no meaning whatsoever in Islam…

You are wrong again. I have to recall what I Iearned from Moslems about the virgin birth of Jesus. And I think they DO HAVE A MEANING and very SOLID MEANING but I would leave this to Moslems to respond.

Though I may disagree with the very virgin birth necessity but if someone had to buy the idea of virginity of Mary and a virgin birth of Jesus, then Moslems’ MEANING appears reasonable as opposed to Christian ideas/dogmas, as Moslems’ meaning does not negate or impact or break any basic tenet of their faith and monotheism. Whereas Christian belief (concocted belief, I should say) creates a serious of confusions, contradictions and inconsistencies, as they further go to explain and “prove” it.

 

[Angelos]

**It is a false accusation about the Quran. Quran was not authored by any one and nobody claims to have authored the Quran. There were scribes. Quran is a revealed word of God.

But on the other hand the bible has authors. They are named mathew and mark and luke etc. They wrote everything from memory from their own mind. So where does your bible NT stand? Just like any other book being sold in the market?

When you can accuse the Quran to be authored, then you should look at your own book too with a fair mind. **

The Koran is a mere fabrication written by Mohammad’s many scribes. Mohammad only told lies about the origins of his Koran to fool people that his teachings had divine authority.

It is dishonest of yours to refute the authenticity of the Gospels because of the names of the Evangelists and embrace the pseudo-Gospel of Barnabas despite its having a human author. You Muslims need a lesson on justice in the first place.

The fact that the names of the Koran’s authors is hidden by no means proves its supposed divine origin or supports the innovated notion of revelation vs inspiration. Dear planten, there are so many writings in our world the authors of which are unknown. If you want to believe that all those books with unknown authors came from God, I wish you good luck

 

[aaronjo]

Aaronjo, you can start “takfir” all your scholars but kindly stop talking as if you are not Muslim. I will refrain from answering any other post for obvious reasons.

I don’t know what does that word ‘takfir’ means. but you can certainly answer my simple question:

Is Limbo a conjecture, or an official Catholic dogma? If it is a Catholic dogma then do all Christians who whorship Jesus agree with your dogma?

 

[Silouan]

I am also an ex muslim.so I have studied islamic scriptures.and those verses of koran are clear(I have posted in previous reply).And many muslim scholar like Moududi etc etc also agree.Hope you know that Moududi provoked to kill lots of ahmaddya in pakistan.And I hope you also know that most of muslims hate non muslim, from their heart.And muslims want to annihilate jewish people,but why?I am sure that you read those verses about jewish in koran and those verses are full of hate to jewish people.

I read the verses. Re-reading them, doesn’t change how I was taught Islam.

I was not taught to hate non-Muslims. I wouldn’t say most Muslims hate non-Muslims. People in general have loving kind hearts, there are a few radical one out there. If 10% of the Muslim population hated non-Muslims with their hearts, that would make 100 million muslims who hate non-Muslims. And that is alot of people. But it is not majority of Muslims.

So it is possible that 10% of the muslim poplution hate non-Muslim due to their ignorance of the religion, their mis-intrepretation, and this can be the result of how they were treat by non-Muslim, or it could be a group of Muslims lead by a psycho Muslim leader, like Osama Bin Laden. People with mental health problems look just like me and you can you can tell the difference.

There is definitely a problem in the Muslim world with radical Muslims, but I don’t think it reflects Islam, it reflects problematic people or people with mental health issues, or people who are angry and people who are ignorant of the religion.

I’ve met alot of Muslims in my life, and I would say most of them, do not hate non-Muslims. There are some, and they try to use verses like the one who use but, I always though those people were pyscho.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[meedo]

you must understand the argument because the comparison is an analogy not to be argued in details…we know you do not worship the Quran, yet it is the uncreated and eternal word of Allah, not He yet not other than He…in other words, you cannot seperate Allah from His Word, they are distinct but not seperate.

called incarnation.

The analogy that when inspected in detail doesnt hold , is no longer an analogy, and thus the whole argument is not there to begin with.

We have a reason for the virgin birth in islam but it isnt your reason. ´The reason is it bieng a miracle from God to show his wonders. Adam was made withouyt a mother or father and h is not considered incarnation of God .

 

[meedo]

I don’t know what does that word ‘takfir’ means. but you can certainly answer my simple question:

Is Limbo a conjecture, or an official Catholic dogma? If it is a Catholic dogma then do all Christians who whorship Jesus agree with your dogma?

They still think you are a Muslim. They have paranoia of Muslims here . Hec… if any catholic shows some sympathy to Muslims here he can be labeled a muslim even if he confesses he worships Jesus. Its how they feel they defend their faith.

However There are around 20 % here that are fair minded people . Hope you bump in one of them.

 

[aaronjo]

It is dishonest of yours to refute the authenticity of the Gospels because of the names of the Evangelists …

As far you "Gospels’ issue:

It was Mark who first applied the term “gospel” to a book telling the story of Jesus. No? It is not a nor the Word of God. It is merely a story telling book.

This form of presenting Jesus’ life, works, teachings, passion, and resurrection was developed further by the other evangelists.

Do you know that the first three of the canonical gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, appears very similar on many points hence they are called “synoptic” gospels but the fourth gospel of John, often differs significantly from the synoptics in outline and approach. This work never uses the word “gospel”.

 

[Angelos]

You are wrong again. I have to recall what I Iearned from Moslems about the virgin birth of Jesus. And I think they DO HAVE A MEANING and very SOLID MEANING but I would leave this to Moslems to respond.

Though I may disagree with the very virgin birth necessity but if someone had to buy the idea of virginity of Mary and a virgin birth of Jesus, then Moslems’ MEANING appears reasonable as opposed to Christian ideas/dogmas, as Moslems’ meaning does not negate or impact or break any basic tenet of their faith and monotheism. Whereas Christian belief (concocted belief, I should say) creates a serious of confusions, contradictions and inconsistencies, as they further go to explain and “prove” it.

How do you know, AS A JEW, that the Islamic version of Jesus’ miraculous birth does not negate or impact the so-called strict monotheism in the Koran (the Koran deifies Mohammad on various occasions though!)?

Stop driveling, dear Raul aka happyday aka harrypot aka aaronjo. I hope you can realise soon that it is impossible for you to fool us with your false identities and multiple nicks.

You are a Muslim, not a Jew. Jews always object to the notion of a virgin birth no matter what kind of reasons can be provided.

What your dear Koran teaches about the virgin birth lacks theological meaning, relevance, and coherence. Even the two narratives of Jesus’ nativity and infancy in the different Surahs of the Koran apparently contradict each other since they are taken from different sources.

Finally, your Koran likens Jesus to Adam in terms of creation and having no biological father, but forgets that Adam had no mother either. The Koran also cannot answer the question why Jesus was the only prophet to be born with no biological father.

 

[Angelos]

The analogy that when inspected in detail doesnt hold , is no longer an analogy, and thus the whole argument is not there to begin with.

We have a reason for the virgin birth in islam but it isnt your reason. ´The reason is it bieng a miracle from God to show his wonders. Adam was made withouyt a mother or father and h is not considered incarnation of God .

I still want to know why Allah needed a virgin to show his wonders. Is it not sufficient for him to say “BE !” whenever he wants to create something??? So why the need to blow into a virgin to show his wonders??? How did Allah prove Jews that Jesus was miraculously conceived?

 

[Angelos]

They still think you are a Muslim. They have paranoia of Muslims here . Hec… if any catholic shows some sympathy to Muslims here he can be labeled a muslim even if he confesses he worships Jesus. Its how they feel they defend their faith.

However There are around 20 % here that are fair minded people . Hope you bump in one of them.

How dare you say that??

You are also helping him in his deceptive strategies. How can you expect us to consider Muslims honest people if all the Muslims here support another Muslim, who pretends to be a Jew with no knowledge of the Islamic lies about Judaism and the Torah???

 

[inJESUS]

Analogy:

Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.
A comparison based on such similarity. See synonyms at likeness.

We have a reason for the virgin birth in islam but it isnt your reason. ´The reason is it bieng a miracle from God to show his wonders.

how can it be a miracle that is neither seen nor proved nor serves any purpose for humanity?

Adam was made withouyt a mother or father and h is not considered incarnation of God

adam is the first human created…after Adam the circle of reproduction started so that’s a false comparison.

 

[inJESUS]

I’ve met alot of Muslims in my life, and I would say most of them, do not hate non-Muslims. There are some, and they try to use verses like the one who use but, I always though those people were pyscho.

In Christ,

Silouan

such people i believe are better than Umar and are above the “divine” teaching that humiliation is a kind of love.

 

[inJESUS]

They still think you are a Muslim. They have paranoia of Muslims here . Hec… if any catholic shows some sympathy to Muslims here he can be labeled a muslim even if he confesses he worships Jesus. Its how they feel they defend their faith.

However There are around 20 % here that are fair minded people . Hope you bump in one of them.

does fair mindedness tell you that a Jew who calls muhammad a prophet is a Jew? add me to the 20%

 

[Angelos]

As far you "Gospels’ issue:

It was Mark who first applied the term “gospel” to a book telling the story of Jesus. No? It is not a nor the Word of God. It is merely a story telling book.

This is another lie from you. Man, you are a hatching-machine of lies and slanders. Perfectly fitting your ideology and religion

BTW, your Koran turns into a story-telling book when it adapts certain narratives of Jesus’ nativity and infancy from apocryphal Gospels LOL

This form of presenting Jesus’ life, works, teachings, passion, and resurrection was developed further by the other evangelists.

Do you know that the first three of the canonical gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, appears very similar on many points hence they are called “synoptic” gospels but the fourth gospel of John, often differs significantly from the synoptics in outline and approach. This work never uses the word “gospel”.

What does this prove? Nothing. LOL

Luke and Matthew do not define their written testimony for Jesus as a Gospel either.

John’s book is more theological and didactic than the other three Gospels. Although John’s style (form and content) is apparently different from that of the other three Evangelists, his book contains certain accounts that are parallel with the accounts in the synoptic Gospels. For instance, John quotes the same prophecy in Isaiah quoted by the other Evangelists in association with John the Baptist’s prophetic ministry.

 

[inJESUS]

Angelos, why are you wasting your time? he will be banned soon …he got used to it

but Meedo, insulting us yet believing a jew calling Muhammad a prophet is a Jew is “maskhara” sorry but cannot express it in English…i expected better from you but i’d always welcome any discussion about our previous analogy

 

[CatholicComrade]

**It is a false accusation about the Quran. Quran was not authored by any one and nobody claims to have authored the Quran. There were scribes. Quran is a revealed word of God.

But on the other hand the bible has authors. They are named mathew and mark and luke etc. They wrote everything from memory from their own mind. So where does your bible NT stand? Just like any other book being sold in the market?

When you can accuse the Quran to be authored, then you should look at your own book too with a fair mind. **

It does not sound like the Quran is the word of God like you say. If it’s so, then I definitely would not want to follow such a God. Like it says in Sura At-Tawba, God advised you to ambush your enemies and kill them if they dont convert and if they were the ‘people of the book/ (must be Christians and Jews) they have pay taxes or convert. We all know that God is Almighty and above everything. If he was the Almighty, why would he care about taxes? Congratulations, your religion gives a new meaning to His wisdom. You then turned him to a mere military general. Is that the way God works?? How can the Almighty care about taxes from Christians and the Jews??

You claim that you are God’s people, then I just have one question to ask. Like we know God sent pillars of fire to protect the Jews from the Egyptian armies. Then why dint he do anything for you? It seems he just gave instructions (like ambush your enemies and kill them where ever they are). Why dint he send some Angels to kill your enemies (Mushriks of Makkah)??

 

[inJESUS]

Angelos, most if not all Muslims who question the “authorship” of the Gospel forget that there were disciples of the apostles who quoted these same gospels they claim have “unknown authors”…so they got a worse mission yet beside proving that God is not truthful to His words, they must disprove the whole apostolic teachings from the East and the West…a heavy cross…

 

[Angelos]

Angelos, why are you wasting your time? he will be banned soon …he got used to it

but Meedo, insulting us yet believing a jew calling Muhammad a prophet is a Jew is “maskhara” sorry but cannot express it in English…i expected better from you but i’d always welcome any discussion about our previous analogy

Well, fighting for truth is my life. Dishonesty is my primary enemy in this forum.