Islam is BAD!!!

[inJESUS]

How can the Almighty care about taxes from Christians and the Jews??

the taxes are for Allah and his messenger Muhammad…the land is for Allah and his messenger…the booty is for Allah and his messenger…you cannot differentiate them…

Why dint he send some Angels to kill your enemies (Mushriks of Makkah)??

 

[inJESUS]

BTW, your Koran turns into a story-telling book when it adapts certain narratives of Jesus’ nativity and infancy from apocryphal Gospels

 

[aaronjo]

There is definitely a problem in the Muslim world with radical Muslims, but I don’t think it reflects Islam, it reflects problematic people or people with mental health issues, or people who are angry and people who are ignorant of the religion.

I don’t see a real problem of Radicalism in the Moslem world. This accidental phenomena in recent history is actually a cause of an effect.

Radicalism (cause) is due to Non Moslem oppression and invasion (effect) of Muslem countries.

Like when Russia invaded a free and independent country of Afghanistan it provoked Capital Radicalism of USA.

Then Capitalist USA instead of fighting one-on-one directly with Communist Russia whether in the battleground of Russia or Afghanistan, preferred to equipped with weapons those very so called “mojahiden”/staunch Radical Moslems…and surprisingly…they were recognised as freedom fighters and for them the term ‘mojahiden’ was being used and not terrorists. Look at the old newspapers of 1980’s.

But these very ‘mojahiden’ were indeed terrorists in the eyes of Communist Russia. Because they were the threat to the Radicalism of Communist Russia.

Did China see US invasion of Afganistan as a threat?

Recently same radiclaism is now being re-generated and it is reborn when same Russia invaded Georgio and politicians hopefully looking to provoke religious sentiments and religious grounds/reasons how to make the fight with Russia a Christian aith-based obligation.

If Georgia was a Moslem country, certainly they would even have re-recongised “Mojahiden” of Georgio as freedom fighters. or even import “Mojahidens” from other Moslem countries …duh…

Why religion is being used here when actual goal is not the protection of faith nor the people of faith?

I think faith is deeply rooted in most people. It is deeper than any other ideology that can take root externally. Faith is a great tool to be misused to gain something else by sparking it. And it is also a great victim to be blamed so easily.

And this is the main reason in our recent period why ISLAM and Moslems are being presented as BAD, when they are not BAD. Moslem people are just like any other peacefull people on earth.

 

[CatholicComrade]

i always liked this poem by Allah to insult Abu Lahab and his wife:

 

[KenEOTE]

i always liked this poem by Allah to insult Abu Lahab and his wife:

 

[CatholicComrade]

I don’t see a real problem of Radicalism in the Moslem world. This accidental phenomena in recent history is actually a cause of an effect.

Radicalism (cause) is due to Non Moslem oppression and invasion (effect) of Muslem countries.

Like when Russia invaded a free and independent country of Afghanistan it provoked Capital Radicalism of USA.

Then Capitalist USA instead of fighting one-on-one directly with Communist Russia whether in the battleground of Russia or Afghanistan, preferred to equipped with weapons those very so called “mojahiden”/staunch Radical Moslems…and surprisingly…they were recognised as freedom fighters and for them the term ‘mojahiden’ was being used and not terrorists. Look at the old newspapers of 1980’s.

But these very ‘mojahiden’ were indeed terrorists in the eyes of Communist Russia. Because they were the threat to the Radicalism of Communist Russia.

Did China see US invasion of Afganistan as a threat?

Recently same radiclaism is now being re-generated and it is reborn when same Russia invaded Georgio and politicians hopefully looking to provoke religious sentiments and religious grounds/reasons how to make the fight with Russia a Christian aith-based obligation.

If Georgia was a Moslem country, certainly they would even have re-recongised “Mojahiden” of Georgio as freedom fighters. or even import “Mojahidens” from other Moslem countries …duh…

Why religion is being used here when actual goal is not the protection of faith nor the people of faith?

I think faith is deeply rooted in most people. It is deeper than any other ideology that can take root externally. Faith is a great tool to be misused to gain something else by sparking it. And it is also a great victim to be blamed so easily.

And this is the main reason in our recent period why ISLAM and Moslems are being presented as BAD, when they are not BAD. Moslem people are just like any other peacefull people on earth.

Here we go again!! Being a “Jew”, I’m glad you dint talk about Israel and Palestine.

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS;4126053:

Allah is not a very good poet. I mean really for being the “almighty” he could have done a better job.

you won’t appreciate it because the Quran is given in Arabic for Arabs…as an Arab i can say i read much more beaitiful poetry but after all it is a subjective opinion just as Allah’s subjective challenge. I mean, can anyone believe that God almighty will challenge humans to bring a better book, to prove His book?

 

[dzheremi]

Man…the Quran is so petty! I can hardly believe it…

Also, on the point in your other post, inJESUS: the taxes, booty, etc. may be for “Allah and his messenger”, but Allah of course has no use for material wealth from taxes or anything like that, so doesn’t it make more sense to say that it is ALL for Muhammad, and NOTHING for Allah, since Allah/God has no use for material wealth? More strange placement of Allah and Muhammad together, as if Muhammad is another God…

The Muslim conception of God is so worldly, I am suprised at their objections to God’s earthly presence in Jesus. THEIR version of God demands taxes and war spoils! What could be more worldly than that? At best He is a tax collector, a despot, a tyrant for the good of Muhammad and those who believe in Muhammad, rather than Muhammad being for the good of God (even if that means he would be poor, always persecuted, and not militarily or politically powerful, as our Christian forefathers were), as a true prophet would be.

 

[aaronjo]

Originally Posted by aaronjo
As far you "Gospels’ issue:

BTW, the statement of mine that you are calling a lie is actually a STATEMENT of your Vatican and let me qoute it as it is:

It was Mark, as far as we know, who first applied the term “gospel” to** a book telling the story of Jesus** ; see ⇒ Mark 1:1 and the note there. This form of presenting Jesus’ life, works, teachings, passion, and resurrection was developed further by the other evangelists; see the Introduction to each gospel. The first three of the canonical gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, are so similar at many points when viewed together, particularly when arranged in parallel columns or lines, that they are called “synoptic” gospels, from the Greek word for such a general view. The fourth gospel, John, often differs significantly from the synoptics in outline and approach. This work never uses the word “gospel” or its corresponding verb; nevertheless, its message concerns the same Jesus, and the reader is urged to believe in him as the Messiah, “that through this belief you may have life in his name” (⇒ John 20:31).

And here is link: vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PV8.HTM

Now who is a liar?

 

[KenEOTE]

BTW, the statement of mine that you are calling a lie is actually a STATEMENT of your Vatican and let me qoute it as it is:

And here is link: vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PV8.HTM

Now who is a liar?

One you must not know the English language well. I can tell you the story of the lunar landing. That does not mean the story is false. I can tell you a story about a man who goes by the name aaronjo posted to Catholic Answers. Did it happen yes? Is the story true yes.

Telling a story is not story telling. You see you can tell the truthful story of Jesus. It is a Gospel which means “Good News” The Good news is the story of Christ and what he did.

What the Qu’ran does is story telling it adds things that are not true. When you become a story teller you are telling fiction. I know it is hard to grasp. But there is a subtle difference in what it means to tell a story and to be a story teller.

 

[inJESUS]

More strange placement of Allah and Muhammad together, as if Muhammad is another God…

and we are the ones accused by Muhammad to take partners with God because we believe that God’s Word and Spirit is One God…ok sorry Muhammad mentioned Mary instead of the Holy Spirit…but to say Allah and muhammad decide, Allah and Muhammad say, Allah and Muhammad have lands and booties and slaves and taxes is not making Muhammad a partner to Allah…

 

[dzheremi]

BTW, the statement of mine that you are calling a lie is actually a STATEMENT of your Vatican and let me qoute it as it is:

And here is link: vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PV8.HTM

Now who is a liar?

Still you, aaronjo. It is obvious to anyone not trying to lie that it is your characterization of the Holy Bible as a false book that Angelos and others are objecting to. Now you are even trying to lie in regards to what we as Christians find objectionable about your reasoning! Wow.

 

[aaronjo]

What the Qu’ran does is story telling it adds things that are not true. When you become a story teller you are telling fiction. I know it is hard to grasp. But there is a subtle difference in what it means to tell a story and to be a story teller.

So Mark was a story teller then as your vatican admits:

It was Mark, as far as we know, who first applied the term “gospel” to a book telling the story of Jesus ; see ⇒ Mark 1:1 and the note there.

vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PV8.HTM

Further since he alongwith other writers of Gospels say different things (they are not on same page all the time) hence they all were like fiction writers.

Thanks for telling this.

 

[dzheremi]

Do not the Hadith tell various stories about the life and sayings of Muhammad? Does this mean that they are all lies and made up? You obviously do not understand the distinction that KenEOTE is pointing out to you.

 

[KenEOTE]

So Mark was a story teller then as your vatican admits:

Further since he alongwith other writers of Gospels say different things (they are not on same page all the time) hence they all were like fiction writers.

Thanks for telling this.

Actually you are incorrect. Mark is not a story teller he is relating his account of what he witnessed. The Gospels do not contradict each other as you are implying. They relate different events in the life of Christ. Some tell of the same events others tell other events that occurred. Three of the 4 Gospel writers were all martyred for what they had written. If they were merely telling a story and not something they witnessed and believed they could have easily denied it and not been killed. Why would anyone die for a fictional story. Mo didn’t die for his story, he killed for his story. He asked others to die and kill for it. He still asks others to die and kill for it. Christ never asked anyone to kill to tell his story.

Of course you have the Qu’ran that was written 500 years after all the events occurred so it must be accurate. It was told to Mo by an angel. (which I already stated we know which angel would say Jesus was not the Son of God.)

Well I guess you do not have the Qu’ran since your profile claims you are a moderate Jew. Why would a moderate Jew be so keen on Islam? I know many Moderate and Conservative and Liberal Jewish men and woman and none of them defend the Qu’ran or attack Christianity as you do. I have a great respect for Judaism as Jesus and all his disciples were of the Jewish Faith.

 

[KenEOTE]

Do not the Hadith tell various stories about the life and sayings of Muhammad? Does this mean that they are all lies and made up? You obviously do not understand the distinction that KenEOTE is pointing out to you.

I thought what I said was clear I guess not. Or could be that he has decided not to understand.

 

[Silouan]

Why religion is being used here when actual goal is not the protection of faith nor the people of faith?

I think faith is deeply rooted in most people. It is deeper than any other ideology that can take root externally. Faith is a great tool to be misused to gain something else by sparking it. And it is also a great victim to be blamed so easily.

And this is the main reason in our recent period why ISLAM and Moslems are being presented as BAD, when they are not BAD. Moslem people are just like any other peacefull people on earth.

You are only saying what I’ve been trying to get across to some of my Christian brothers and sisters.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[aaronjo]

Do not the Hadith tell various stories about the life and sayings of Muhammad? Does this mean that they are all lies and made up? You obviously do not understand the distinction that KenEOTE is pointing out to you.

I kow what he was trying to say. He did not realise what he is saying is actually goeas against his own standpoint.

Now, for your information, though Mark’s gospel has traditionally been attaributed to John Mark but this so called gospel is actually anonymous if you see the old copies which are titled “According to Mark”. Which means it is not really written by him.

The main aim of this story book of Mark’s was to equip Gentile Christians to stand faithful in the face of persecution.

But modern research often proposes as the author an unknown Hellenistic Jewish Christian, possibly in Syria, and perhaps shortly after the year 70.

And this is the reality of your Mark’s Gospel.

 

[Angelos]

BTW, the statement of mine that you are calling a lie is actually a STATEMENT of your Vatican and let me qoute it as it is:

And here is link: vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PV8.HTM

Now who is a liar?

YOU are a liar because you attributed your subjective comments to the Catholic Church’s teaching on the Gospel of Mark. You said, “It is not a nor the Word of God. It is merely a story telling book”, which is not endorsed by the Catholic Church.

 

[inJESUS]

Maybe Muslims can dig out the “true” injeel Muhammad confirmed…surely they can’t…most probably the muslim Jinn that used to accompany Muhammad collected all the copies from all Christiandom and hid them …bad bad Jinn…