islam IS a theocracy. there is no separation of Church and state. if you look up Iran, it does not say it is a democracy. it says republic of islam. read the saudi constitution. the ENTIRE government is based on the quran and teachings of mohammed. it is a theocracy. they say so, not me. do you think iâm just making this up?
Islam is a religion. This must absolutely be understood. It is faith, compounded by actions. A person who is a Muslim is one who submits to God, and thatâs what Islam meansâsubmission to God. ANYBODY can be a Muslim, regardless of their nationality, their language, or ethnic background, or location. Islam as a way of life includes guidelines for not just individuals, but also for societies. That doesnât make it a government. The two concepts are incompatible. The leader of any Muslim country is only, and I stress
only a political leader with the responsibility of protecting the people. He is not a spiritual leaderâand never in the history of Sunni Islam (Iâm not sure about Shiâas) has a military or political leader EVER been a spiritual leader as well. So no, Islam is not a theocracy, not in ANY sense of the word.
If you want to start a country and base it on the teachings of Islam, that doesnât make it a theocracy. If someone were to take Christian teachings only and use them as the foundation of their government, it would not make it a theocracy. Or would it?
Hmm⌠if it would, then yeah, Iâd definitely like to be in a theocracy. Iâd MUCH rather follow the Laws of God than the fickle fallible laws of men.
sister amy, you seem like a really nice person,
Aw thanks!
You too!
but it bewildered me that you didnât seem to have a problem (from a previous thread) with a government based on islamic law that could stone to death a married person for committing adultery. the law is based on mohammedâs teachings, so yes, i have a huge problem.
Do you really think adultery is okay?
have you seen a stoning? would you wish that on a parent, sister, brother, son or daughter that committed that sin?
I saw a stoning on a TV show once (not reality but it terrified me still) and itâs not something I would EVER want to witness or see someone suffer. But thatâs not really the point. We arenât just talking about someone who committed a sin here, but someone who did it IN PUBLIC. In that way it is liable to corrupt the entire society. And I did not institute this punishment. In fact, God did. Itâs even in the Bible, so if you reject Muhammad and the Qurâan, please look in the Bible where itâs plain as day, what the punishment is for adultery.
i asked planten, this before. letâs say you have a 15 yr old daughter or sister that through peer pressure gave in and stole a video game. we would both agree that stealing goes against Godâs wishes and it is a sin. do you really think the highest and best way to deal with that situation is to cut off her hand???
Do you really think that if that were the punishment, people would steal so frivolously?
i suspect that you too would be disgusted and would find the practice cruel.
What I find cruel is putting the individual over the society, and allowing an entire society to become corrupt because the people are too weak to enforce the punishments which in fact were mandated by God.
many people have stolen from me. while it angered me, i would never want to see their hands chopped off.
would you rather they go on stealing from you, and others?
doesnât something seem fishy to you that me, a mere mortal is capable of forgiveness and kindness towards the thief, but God would not be? i can show mercy for the thief and let them keep their hands, but God can not? God wants the heart of the thief to change, not their physical limb count.
First of all, the only way to say what God wants is with proof. I get very tense when I see people saying this or that about God without any proof. God is, of course, Forgiving, and Merciful, and Compassionate. And God is Just. And Kind and Gentle. Does the fact that there is punishment mean that God is not forgiving? No! It doesnât! In fact, if you can show mercy when someone transgresses against you, then that is better for you. But not every human can do that. And frankly, retribution is justice, justice mandated by God even. Suppose someone steals your car, or your house, or your daughter? And wrecks the car? Destroys the house? Rapes your daughter? And you go to a judge, and imagine if the judge tells you, that you should forgive him! Or if the judge says, yeah, he was wrong, but I forgive him! Donât you want justice? How is this fair?
If you can forgive, thatâs better for youâso says the Qurâan. But punishment serves as a deterrent and it also serves as a means of rehabilitation. Of course God forgives sins, and we have to repent. But some sins are so bad, especially those which are done in public and can corrupt the entire society, that they need to have a very strong and fierce punishment. That doesnât mean God doesnât forgive them. In fact, suffering that punishment might be a means of obtaining forgiveness. But when God has ordained itâwhich you cannot denyâwho are we to reject it?
i get that many muslims donât enforce or choose to ignore the violent teachings of mohammed. for that i am grateful.
Iâm not grateful that people feel free to engage in adultery. That women are raped without fear of punishment. That men can abuse their wives without being held to account. That people steal for pleasure and pride. that pedophiles can prey on children in groupsâthey can network. That pornography is freely available on the internet and elsewhere. Iâm not grateful for that. Are you?
