Islam is BAD!!!

[medallionsnijme]

I think they are back/reborn only on Websites like this one (“Catholic Answers”)…lol…who are causing more harm to their own Christian faith due to their completely out of mind attitude.

(ahem…!announce that statement to western society and see what happens…gonna go off like a firecracker on light-speed…)

…hmm, maybe this comment is because muslims are so used to denial in their own faith and what the real picture islam is, that they can no longer accept when facts of anything are presented in front of their face.

 

[medallionsnijme]

Silouan, Thank you for those comments. Its interesting to learn these things.

Peace!

i second that thank you very much silouan

 

[R_not]

hhmmm, seems you haven’t been paying attention to the take over of so many lands in the last century by muslims - without major gun battles then - yes, they use violence and intimidation - but the MSM (mainstream news media) doesn’t report on it very much. They are too stupid to keep anything quiet - their clerics are telling us all the time what their goals are. We just don’t listen because we are too afraid of this ‘religion’ and we have political correctness gone wild in regards to islam/muslims.

The thing is - you need to listen to what THEY SAY. Their goals, etc. Not what you want to hear. And the koran is a good, basic source of their goals and many tactics. jihadwatch.org reports on what is happening all over the world and Europe is caving in more and more to muslim demands. The percentage of muslims are growing, as is the violence in Europe that the MSM does not report. In fact, they are restricting the words “jihad,” “Islamism,” “fundamentalism,” and “mujahidin” and don’t use the words ‘muslim’ when reporting about the perpetrators of crimes - instead they use words such as “Asian”, or “youths”.

While the crimes against Jews has risen sharply, and also against Christians. In fact, quite often the police don’t even go into the areas where muslims reside due to the danger, so they never find their perpetrators of crimes.

Books: Eurabia, While Europe Slept, and/or Menace in Europe are some good books on this.

We have muslims here demanding that our reporters be trained in how they should report muslim news.
jihadwatch.org/archives/022000.php

the evidence to suggest a stealth jihad is very evident. In our own country the muslims live in groups and their goals are to vote more muslims into political offices. their ultimate goal is to have sharia law replace our constitution. And by living in groups they enable sharia law because there is no one willing to report them, or to stop it.

And as we see with Mr. Savage - he got threatening phone calls to stop his lawsuit. The muslims are after free speech and they are working with the UN also to ban the words I mentioned above.

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019367.php

Michigan Muslims Attack Freedom of Speech :feeds.feedburner.com/~r/blogspot/LgXO/~3/366241501/michigan-muslims-attack-freedom-of.html

These are only a few examples of the daily attacks by muslims on free speech in the West. Europe is acquiescing more readily, but even our own government wants us to ban the words I mentioned above.

Some of the worst abuses are done by muslims, but they got the UN to ban any criticism of islam when talking about the human rights abuses.

jihadwatch.org/archives/021460.php

A story of how incidious their infiltration into our organizations is:
groups.msn.com/THeTruthAboutIslam/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=&ID_Message=12873
the list goes on…

 

[planten]

Yes, they did. I try to look at the bigger picture though. I am not a supporter of any injustice, regardless who does, be it the Orthodox Church, Catholic Church, or the Muslims for that matter.

There is a universal law, what goes around comes around. Jesus taught this, do unto others as you would have them done unto you.

I believe the oppression that the Muslims are enduring is because of the oppressions they caused others, I believe that is true for the church as well, historically speaking, when the Muslim oppressed the Orthodox Church in Greece, or the Muslim conquering Spain, etc etc. If you study history you will see it is because of an injusitce (oppression) that they caused cause someone else, or it may simply be a test.

With Colonization, the Islamic clergy was dismantled, almost wiped out and the expansion of the western thought into the Muslim world, the intelligent people of the regions are not becoming Muslim scholars, but engineers and doctors. Thus you are left with very ignorant scholars in the Muslim world. The few intelligent Muslim scholars, are working very hard to spread Traditional Sunni Islam, but they don’t have alot of funding.

The Salafi (Wahabi) brand of Islam was spread through the oil billions of Saudi Arabia. This gave birth to the expansion of Islamic extremism. Not to mention the west supported the many dictators of these Islamic countries, which in turned produced varies different splinter extremeist groups.

At anyrate, Traditional Sunni Islam is slowly trying to come back, but with it, it has alot of issues that it is trying to handle.

An ignorant man is a person to be feared to a certain extend, there must be more positive ways to educate them. I don’t have all the answers. There is an great ignroance on both sides.

With that being said, you are right, Muslims cannot soley blame the west for all their problems. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, who is an ex-Orthodox Christian, whose father was Catholic, who I believe is a very fair and just man, mentioned this. That the Muslim need to start looking at themselves I was listening to a lecture by him the other day, and Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said, that very bad actions, whether it is killing, stealing, raping, etc comes from a diseased heart. So Shaykh Hamza Yusuf is trying to educate the Muslims he has contact with, and it is alot in America, he is well respected, by producing books, and audio CD’s on purifying the heart.

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf is well read and educated, a very inspirational speaking. To demonstrate how fair of a man he is, he was explaining commenting on the Christian belief of Trinity and he said, they actually believe in One God, it is just the trinity is a mystery for them. He is a fair and just man.

In Christ,

Silouan

Your post is quite reasonable. The muslims of today are misled like many christians. The Muslims are not any angels. There are many sects. Some are quite wrong (armed gangs, suicide gngs). There is no Jihad of the sword now. This message has been going on in the world for the last 120 years. But the Muslim clergy abused the one who gave that message of peace. They called him a Kaafir. That is the height of ignorance.

I can assure you that the senior Muslim religious leaders do not even understand the meaning of the many basic words of the Quran, e.g. Momin, Muslim, Munafiq, Kaafir, Murtadd. So what can you expect from them. The Muslim religious leadership is bad and misguided, They do not have any guide.

No need to worry about any take over. They are now fighting for their own survival.

 

[inJESUS]

I am an ex-Muslim. Much of the Islamic extremism that exist is a result of the European oppression of Muslim countries, the disregard for human rights. Colonization gave birth Islamic extremism. Its a fact.

am not sure i agree here Silouan…since you were a Muslim, born Muslim i guess, you know the history of Islam…there was no European oppression back then …In Lebanon, though the Shia admit they wanted an Islamic state in the past, but they undrstood it cannot be achieved for several reasons, it was Sunni adherents who waged a war recently to apply the Islamic imara and got defeated and yet they are still here and still killing and calling those who do not want it as infidels. Where is the European oppression? nowhere…where is the European oppression in Egypt where Christians are suffering? the problem with Islam is that everyone points out to the other sect and cries “this is not Islam”…but if you go back in history, this is how Islam began…of course we must not talk about our loving neighbors who want to live peacefully, but we are talking about an ideology…you cannot read the sunna of Muhammad and have a clean notion of peace…you cannot read about Jesus , disciples and first centuries of Christianity and then read about Muhammad, his khulafa and their wars and put them both under “peace”…it just does not work…

I also think Muhammad did not accurately understand Orthodox Christianity when he was alive, and mis-represented Orthodox-Catholic Christianity in the Quran.

 

[Silouan]

If you are going to say it is the Israeli/Pakistan (which includes hamas, hezbollah fully supported by saudi arabia, syria, iran, and muslims worldwide until we close down their muslim charities) then that is just the blind acceptance that their version of the problems are all the Jews fault, when it is not. what they want are for the jews to behave as proper dhimmi and accept their deaths, or convert or accept dhimmitude - again - after their original lands were stolen from the muslims originally. And many of their own were either killed or forced to convert, or accept dhimmitude.

middle east conflict: youtube.com/watch?v=vf8-NFeYPr0
David Horowitz, the middle east conflict: youtube.com/watch?v=dnIKRse86GU

Beloved,

If you study the history of Palestine for example, you find that that most of the Palestinians were literally driven out of Palestinians, both Muslims and Christians. Most of them live in exile.

And the Palestinians are being oppressed. And for me sit up here and say otherwise would be a grave injustice. And I will not do so. I am not going to sit up here and argue about something that I know to be true with someone who is anti-Muslim. I hate ignorance.

I am a fair man, I don’t think all of Israel should be given back to Palestine, because there were Israelis who were born there and have a right to live there as well. I believe Israel and Palestine should be established on the 1967 borders, established by the UN.

And the Palestinians are being oppressed. At the same time, I believe all Muslim countries should be relieved of their dictators and democracy should be allowed to prevail.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[inJESUS]

I believe the oppression that the Muslims are enduring is because of the oppressions they caused others, I believe that is true for the church as well, historically speaking, when the Muslim oppressed the Orthodox Church in Greece, or the Muslim conquering Spain, etc etc. If you study history you will see it is because of an injusitce (oppression) that they caused cause someone else, or it may simply be a test.

 

[planten]

happyday;4066375:

Here, again you are clearly under the massive false propaganda of West.

Because what you have seen, read and “witnessed” about Islam or present Muslims, is not true picture of Islam nor true examples of how Muslims should be/should behave.

i tell you what there chica, i know******

what ive seen, heard, read, and experienced while - not being under the influence of the “great satan” of the “west” - and i will tell you that everything ive said in any of my posts is precisely because its a true picture of what islam is. so dont bark up this tree trying to tell me or anyone else that we are deceived by “western propaganda”. what i see in islam ive seen with the depths of my soul, i kid you not, and i KNOW what i’ve experienced is evil. its like the “occult”, which comes from the word “hidden” in latin. why do i say that? because there are many things in this world that are occult (like horoscopes, energy “healing”, psychics) and they all seem good and harmless or something to do for fun. in reality youre playing with the fire of hell, whether you realize it or not. not to mention all the experiences i’ve had with muslims, im telling you my conversion story:** before i became Catholic again, and i was still muslim, i was living like a muslim does, dressing like a muslim does (minus the head scarf), i was eating and drinking what muslims eat and drink, and i was praying as a muslim does. no matter how hard i tried, whenever i prayed as a muslim i felt wrong on the inside, warning bells going off in my head, like every time i bowed i was bowing to satan or something. it was like i could see him mocking me there before me. then once i finally broke because i couldnt take it any more, trying to be something i wasnt and trying to deny the only Truth that IS for so long, i finally called out to Christ because i could no longer deny Him. i couldnt believe God as being such an impersonable Being as the God muslims worship, i had had a very intimate and amazing relationship with the Trinity when i was younger. as i was crying, sobbing, and i got very terrified because in my minds eye i saw demons swirling around me (and mind you, ive read Saint’s experiences with demons and how they looked and it was accurate with what i saw), and then as i was still calling out to Christ, i also saw the Blessed Virgin standing over the hell that was writhing around me reaching down to pull me out. and since that day, i have never looked back on islam as anything good. i was a cradle Catholic growing up and i had a great devotion to Mary, and i am convinced she brought me back to the Truth of Her Son. i have never known a fight for my soul as i did before i called on that Name above all Names: Jesus Christ.
so tell me that i am denying the truth in islam. i will tell you i am denying NOTHING. i have never been more miserable in my life than when i was muslim. NEVER.

Your example cannot be good for any one because you are an unstable mind. You were christian. Then you became a Muslim (ah?) Who knows you may go back to the Muslim faith again?

On the other hand there are many who converted to Islam and remained quite happy there in Islam.

Your example had been beautifully given by Jesus that a bad soul became good and godly and moved about under cool shades for some time. But when there were some difficulties, that soul thought of coming back to the old faith. It came back and brought seven other bad spirits with it and the condition of that soul was worse than before… I need to look for the reference, please help)

 

[planten]

happyday;4066375:

Here, again you are clearly under the massive false propaganda of West.

Because what you have seen, read and “witnessed” about Islam or present Muslims, is not true picture of Islam nor true examples of how Muslims should be/should behave.

i tell you what there chica, i know******

what ive seen, heard, read, and experienced while - not being under the influence of the “great satan” of the “west” - and i will tell you that everything ive said in any of my posts is precisely because its a true picture of what islam is. so dont bark up this tree trying to tell me or anyone else that we are deceived by “western propaganda”. what i see in islam ive seen with the depths of my soul, i kid you not, and i KNOW what i’ve experienced is evil. its like the “occult”, which comes from the word “hidden” in latin. why do i say that? because there are many things in this world that are occult (like horoscopes, energy “healing”, psychics) and they all seem good and harmless or something to do for fun. in reality youre playing with the fire of hell, whether you realize it or not. not to mention all the experiences i’ve had with muslims, im telling you my conversion story:** before i became Catholic again, and i was still muslim, i was living like a muslim does, dressing like a muslim does (minus the head scarf), i was eating and drinking what muslims eat and drink, and i was praying as a muslim does. no matter how hard i tried, whenever i prayed as a muslim i felt wrong on the inside, warning bells going off in my head, like every time i bowed i was bowing to satan or something. it was like i could see him mocking me there before me. then once i finally broke because i couldnt take it any more, trying to be something i wasnt and trying to deny the only Truth that IS for so long, i finally called out to Christ because i could no longer deny Him. i couldnt believe God as being such an impersonable Being as the God muslims worship, i had had a very intimate and amazing relationship with the Trinity when i was younger. as i was crying, sobbing, and i got very terrified because in my minds eye i saw demons swirling around me (and mind you, ive read Saint’s experiences with demons and how they looked and it was accurate with what i saw), and then as i was still calling out to Christ, i also saw the Blessed Virgin standing over the hell that was writhing around me reaching down to pull me out. and since that day, i have never looked back on islam as anything good. i was a cradle Catholic growing up and i had a great devotion to Mary, and i am convinced she brought me back to the Truth of Her Son. i have never known a fight for my soul as i did before i called on that Name above all Names: Jesus Christ.
so tell me that i am denying the truth in islam. i will tell you i am denying NOTHING. i have never been more miserable in my life than when i was muslim. NEVER.

 

[inJESUS]

medallionsnijme;4067165:

Your example had been beautifully given by Jesus that a bad soul became good and godly and moved about under cool shades for some time. But when there were some difficulties, that soul thought of coming back to the old faith. It came back and brought seven other bad spirits with it and the condition of that soul was worse than before… I need to look for the reference, please help)

planten oh Planten, this has to do with demonic possession. It’s Matthew 12:45

"When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.

Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation." (Matthew 12: 43-45)

When one allows satan in his life, then repents, he must live according to God’s teachings otherwise the spirits will come back since the person is still welcoming them.

 

[Silouan]

healthy approach, but again, who was suppressing the khulafa that they started their futuhat?
Christians were oppressed for centuries…why didn’t they wage wars as the khulafa did when yet were not oppressed?
.

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS;4067573:

I have to really ponder of the issue of an Islamic state, I haven’t given it any real deep thought.

In Christ,

Silouan

the last time we were ruled by Muslims, our priests were crying, literally crying for deliverance from their barbarity, humiliation and taxes…i do not see how Muslims can rule others justly when “subdue them with humiliation” is anything but just…there is no “just humiliation”…those people who did it , did it because they were good people and there are good people even among the worst ideologies, because of God’s mercy.

 

[dzheremi]

Simply put, Islam does not allow for true pluralism, so Muslims are ideally not fit to be the rulers of anyone but themselves. Even their greatest examples of tolerance, such as Al-Andalus under Abd ar-Rahman III, were marked by events such as the martyrdom of Christians of Cordoba who dared to stand up to Muslim rulers. The later rulers such as the Almohads treated the non-Muslims even worse. And all of this on what had been Christian Visigothic land! A kingdom which, it should also be noted, had done absolutely nothing to antagonize the Umayyads into invading their territory.

 

[hamba2han]

This is a reminder both to myself and also to everyone here:

For Muslims, the Truth comes only from Allah and is therefore good and falsehood is evil.

Whereas the Christian approach towards the Truth would be → “good” must be the Truth and “evil” must be falsehood.

Unfortunately, Christians determine what is ‘good’ and what is ‘evil’ by allowing the Church to decide for them.

They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him). … Al-Qur’an, 009.031

Always remember folks that ONLY the Master of the Day of Judgment can save us from the Hell-fire, NOT the Church.

Therefore, when it comes to the matter of saving our own souls, shouldn’t we be listening to our Creator alone and no one else?

And how do we listen to Him alone?.. Not difficult at all actually because we just need to read the ‘Message’ that he has sent down to all of His servants.

 

[cathopologist]

For Muslims, the Truth comes only from Allah and is therefore good and falsehood is evil.

Whereas the Christian approach towards the Truth would be → “good” must be the Truth and “evil” must be falsehood.

Unfortunately, Christians determine what is ‘good’ and what is ‘evil’ by allowing the Church to decide for them.

Christianity has a teaching authority on its adherents (Magisterium), so they do not go haywire unlike the Muslims, who are without authority and everyone is free to interpret their scripture as they please.

Morever, Catholics do not follow a blind faith. They are free to disagree what the Magisterium teaches, but at the expense of excommunication (depending on the seriousness of the issue), not execution. I can’t say the same for Muslims, can you?

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… Always remember folks that ONLY the Master of the Day of Judgment can save us from the Hell-fire, NOT the Church…

Catholics believe that the Church is the Bride of Christ. And like any holy matrimony, the two become one (see Mark 10:8).

 

[Angelos]

This is a reminder both to myself and also to everyone here:

For Muslims, the Truth comes only from Allah and is therefore good and falsehood is evil.

Whereas the Christian approach towards the Truth would be → “good” must be the Truth and “evil” must be falsehood.

Unfortunately, Christians determine what is ‘good’ and what is ‘evil’ by allowing the Church to decide for them.

They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him). … Al-Qur’an, 009.031

Always remember folks that ONLY the Master of the Day of Judgment can save us from the Hell-fire, NOT the Church.

Therefore, when it comes to the matter of saving our own souls, shouldn’t we be listening to our Creator alone and no one else?

And how do we listen to Him alone?.. Not difficult at all actually because we just need to read the ‘Message’ that he has sent down to all of His servants.

How can you prove me that the Koran is directly from Allah when it describes itself as the word of a noble messenger (Mohammad)?

Since you believe that Allah speaks only through Mohammad and that he stops revealing his truth after Mohammad’s death, your Allah is no one else but your Mohammad.

ISLAM: POLYTHEISM

 

[KenEOTE]

This is a reminder both to myself and also to everyone here:

For Muslims, the Truth comes only from Allah and is therefore good and falsehood is evil.

Whereas the Christian approach towards the Truth would be → “good” must be the Truth and “evil” must be falsehood.

Unfortunately, Christians determine what is ‘good’ and what is ‘evil’ by allowing the Church to decide for them.

They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him). … Al-Qur’an, 009.031

Always remember folks that ONLY the Master of the Day of Judgment can save us from the Hell-fire, NOT the Church.

Therefore, when it comes to the matter of saving our own souls, shouldn’t we be listening to our Creator alone and no one else?

And how do we listen to Him alone?.. Not difficult at all actually because we just need to read the ‘Message’ that he has sent down to all of His servants.

My Suggestion is to ignore hamba2han He has used the same argument and has been presented the truth and ignores it. He does not respond to the truth he just rehashes the same thing about good and bad and how Christians can not know it. Thankfully we know this is not true and it was not Christians who thought it was good to fly plans into buildings but misguided Muslims who took the Qu’ran at its word.

 

[Silouan]

Silouan;4067592:

the last time we were ruled by Muslims, our priests were crying, literally crying for deliverance from their barbarity, humiliation and taxes…i do not see how Muslims can rule others justly when “subdue them with humiliation” is anything but just…there is no “just humiliation”…those people who did it , did it because they were good people and there are good people even among the worst ideologies, because of God’s mercy.

I understand the bad treatment that non-Muslim have received from the Ottomon Empire, but according to Islamic Law, non-Muslims are to be treated fairly. According to Islamic Law, the taxes are in exchange for military protection, if a non-Muslim wishes to serve in the Muslim Army, he is relieved of the taxes.

And it is my understanding also that Muslim rulers are suppose to pay the clergymen of each religion, and build their religious places of worship. And non-Muslims are to have their own court systems, and christians would be tried under Christian law not Islamic law.

There are points in Islamic history where non-Muslims were treated fairly. I will have to do some research to find these exact points in history.

But like I said, I will have to ponder deeply about this issue, and do some more research. I have not yet made a decision as to what position I should take. I don’t want to be reactionary, it is not just.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[medallionsnijme]

medallionsnijme;4067165:

Your example cannot be good for any one because you are an unstable mind. You were christian. Then you became a Muslim (ah?) Who knows you may go back to the Muslim faith again?

On the other hand there are many who converted to Islam and remained quite happy there in Islam.

Your example had been beautifully given by Jesus that a bad soul became good and godly and moved about under cool shades for some time. But when there were some difficulties, that soul thought of coming back to the old faith. It came back and brought seven other bad spirits with it and the condition of that soul was worse than before… I need to look for the reference, please help)

a) stop misquoting scripture you obviously dont understand and so clearly misinterpret as inJesus stated (thanks inJesus for the proper Scripture quote) b)i am definitely NOT an unstable mind. besides the fact that people who are crazy dont know they are crazy. if you realize youre crazy then youre normal if you ask me, i think it was a grace to know that i was following the wrong path. rather interesting given that ive found my peace that i was looking for that ipreviously had as a Christian before i converted to islam…a peace that i never found in islam.

if you are implying that theres a possibility that i will be “wishywashy” as you so stated between the lines of your statement, then either pigs can fly or santa claus is a woman, take your pick. i know where im at and im not budging for any person, religion, or threat. i am have built my “house” on the Rock that is Christ. i will not be moved from this Rock that is my safety and haven. Jesus said, “the gates of hell will not prevail against My Church”. even if all of hell were bombarding me, Christ has already conquered them by His Crucifixion, Death, and Ressurection, and He will fight for me. i will stand fast on Him Who is my Everything. i need nothing else.