Islam is BAD!!!

[cathopologist]

if you are implying that theres a possibility that i will be “wishywashy” as you so stated between the lines of your statement, then either pigs can fly or santa claus is a woman, take your pick. i know where im at and im not budging for any person, religion, or threat. i am have built my “house” on the Rock that is Christ. i will not be moved from this Rock that is my safety and haven. Jesus said, “the gates of hell will not prevail against My Church”. even if all of hell were bombarding me, Christ has already conquered them by His Crucifixion, Death, and Ressurection, and He will fight for me. i will stand fast on Him Who is my Everything. i need nothing else.

 

[inJESUS]

But like I said, I will have to ponder deeply about this issue, and do some more research. I have not yet made a decision as to what position I should take. I don’t want to be reactionary, it is not just.

ok, but please keep in mind the “humiliation” part.

Sheikh Naji Ibrahim Ibn Abdullah quoting Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, says that the Jizya is applied:

“…to spare the blood , to be a symbol of humiliation of the infidels and as an insult and punishment to them, and as the Shafiites indicate, the Jizya is offered in exchange for residing in an Islamic country." Thus Ibn Qayyim adds, "Since the entire religion belongs to God, it aims at humiliating ungodliness and its followers, and insulting them. Imposing the Jizya on the followers of ungodliness and oppressing them is required by God's religion. The Qur'anic text hints at this meaning when it says: until they give the tribute by force with humiliation.’ (Qur’an 9:29). What contradicts this is leaving the infidels to enjoy their might and practice their religion as they wish so that they would have power and authority.”

 

[R_not]

Beloved,

If you study the history of Palestine for example, you find that that most of the Palestinians were literally driven out of Palestinians, both Muslims and Christians. Most of them live in exile.

And the Palestinians are being oppressed. And for me sit up here and say otherwise would be a grave injustice. And I will not do so. I am not going to sit up here and argue about something that I know to be true with someone who is anti-Muslim. I hate ignorance.

I am a fair man, I don’t think all of Israel should be given back to Palestine, because there were Israelis who were born there and have a right to live there as well. I believe Israel and Palestine should be established on the 1967 borders, established by the UN.

And the Palestinians are being oppressed. At the same time, I believe all Muslim countries should be relieved of their dictators and democracy should be allowed to prevail.

In Christ,

Silouan

yes, their oppressors are the Arabs who have created this mess in the Middle East. No other one is their oppressor - well, except themselves now since they do nothing except propogate the hate and killing.

And they are oppressed ONLY if you take their definition of the word which is

oppressor - only infidels are oppressors if they do not allow themselves to be subjugated by muslims/sharia law

And in this case it is the Israelis not allowing themselves to be subjugated by the musims anymore.

 

[R_not]

inJESUS;4067573:

Beloved,

I understand your concern. And it is real concern of mine as well. I would not want to live under Islamic rule, I would actually get killed because I left Islam. And I praise the Lord, I do not live in a Muslim country and that I have the freedom to choose my religion.

But historically speaking, there were times when Muslim rulers treated non-Muslims justly, and there were times when non-muslims were not.

I have to really ponder of the issue of an Islamic state, I haven’t given it any real deep thought.

In Christ,

Silouan

those times were so few and once the leaders were either overthrown or died - the usual nastiness returned to the lives of the dhimmi. It was at best a respite in their hades of a life under muslim rule.

And even during these times, the dhimmi have no rights and if anyone did do them any harm - it certainly was of no concern to the muslims.

There was a respite in the cruelty against the dhimmi when the English and French were in the area - but the cruelty returned once they left. That is one example of a respite in the violence.

 

[dzheremi]

yes, their oppressors are the Arabs who have created this mess in the Middle East. No other one is their oppressor - well, except themselves now since they do nothing except propogate the hate and killing.

Wow. Um…what do the Palestinian’s problems have to do with their identity as Arabs? Let’s not forget the peaceful and oppressed Palestinian Christians, or make strange arguments based on race…

 

[R_not]

Wow. Um…what do the Palestinian’s problems have to do with their identity as Arabs? Let’s not forget the peaceful and oppressed Palestinian Christians, or make strange arguments based on race…

I don’t know what your question is.

The Pal’s (Palestinians) problems go back to (well, they go back 1400 years - but I will give the latest problem) when the Arabs were going to declare war (6 Day War) on the Israelis and the Arabs told the Pals to leave Israel and they promised to take care of them. The Israelis told them they didn’t have to leave. The Pals left and the Arabs dropped the Pals like hot potatoes and didn’t do a thing for them except to incite hatred and tell them their problems are because of the Jews. Talk about gullible and stupid.

And the Arabs have been using them as cannon fodder against the Israelis ever since.

middle east conflict: youtube.com/watch?v=vf8-NFeYPr0
David Horowitz, the middle east conflict: youtube.com/watch?v=dnIKRse86GU

It is easy for them to blame the Jews since about 1/3 of the koran is against the Jews.

And if it is the term Arabs that you are bothered by - then substitue muslim. Most of the books I have read on this use the term Arab, and they were Arab muslims - those with the power while the Arab christians and other dhimmi do not have the power to do such things.

 

[jen_fla]

R-Not or anyone else that can help.

i was streaming a radio show awhile back and had heard that some journalistic association of america (or something with a name like that) had put out a list of guidelines as to what words should and shouldn’t be used in the media.

the words were related to islam although i can’t remember which word(s) were mentioned. i think jihad was one, but i could be wrong.

does anyone know what i’m talking about? i’ll try to find it later on.

in the meantime, it sure does seem as though things have gotten completely out of hand. i never knew that their was such deep meaning to be found in the three little pigs. :whacky:

“A story based on the Three Little Pigs fairy tale has been turned down by a government agency’s awards panel as the subject matter could offend Muslims”. from here:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7204635.stm

 

[R_not]

R-Not or anyone else that can help.

i was streaming a radio show awhile back and had heard that some journalistic association of america (or something with a name like that) had put out a list of guidelines as to what words should and shouldn’t be used in the media.

the words were related to islam although i can’t remember which word(s) were mentioned. i think jihad was one, but i could be wrong.

does anyone know what i’m talking about? i’ll try to find it later on.

in the meantime, it sure does seem as though things have gotten completely out of hand. i never knew that their was such deep meaning to be found in the three little pigs. :whacky:

“A story based on the Three Little Pigs fairy tale has been turned down by a government agency’s awards panel as the subject matter could offend Muslims”. from here:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7204635.stm

yeah, I just posted yesterday on this thread about it.

jihadwatch.org/archives/022000.php

There might be other articles about it, but it is only one tactic they are using to whitewash islam.

 

[KenEOTE]

R-Not or anyone else that can help.

i was streaming a radio show awhile back and had heard that some journalistic association of america (or something with a name like that) had put out a list of guidelines as to what words should and shouldn’t be used in the media.

the words were related to islam although i can’t remember which word(s) were mentioned. i think jihad was one, but i could be wrong.

does anyone know what i’m talking about? i’ll try to find it later on.

in the meantime, it sure does seem as though things have gotten completely out of hand. i never knew that their was such deep meaning to be found in the three little pigs. :whacky:

“A story based on the Three Little Pigs fairy tale has been turned down by a government agency’s awards panel as the subject matter could offend Muslims”. from here:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7204635.stm

That is hillarious. Seriously, Christians are considered crazy if we get upset if someone urinates on a cross and calls it art. Yet if Muslims might get offended by the three little pigs, a judging panel gets rid of it?? What is that about?
Actually it makes sense, if Christians are offended they pray for the one who offended them, if Muslims are offended they threaten to Kill people and blow people up.

 

[R_not]

If you think that the 3 little pigs will be banned - that is only the tip of the iceberg of what will be banned. What they want us to do is to obey THEIR laws which is sharia law. So, what they are doing is slowly getting things censored. Go back and look at some of my posts I talk about this - it was some time yesterday.

islam is very much in a stealth jihad against us with the MSA and its ties to the muslim brotherhood after our children, the way our journalists will be taught, our institutions, and other things we have in our society that the muslims don’t like. Remember THEY came here we didn’t go migrate to their lands. Now they want us to basically adopt the junk laws of their home countries to make it the same pig stys that they left.

 

[happyday]

Silouan;4067592:

There was a respite in the cruelty against the dhimmi when the English and French were in the area - but the cruelty returned once they left. That is one example of a respite in the violence.

And you need to ask Indians what British (English) did to them before 1947 for more than 150 years.

Indians just clelebrated their Independence day and it would be interesting to know what their leaders of all parties still say in their speaches during this day of joy (15th of August every year) about how and why Indians faught and got freedom from British Empire?

 

[R_not]

R_not;4068464:

And you need to ask Indians what British (English) did to them before 1947 for more than 150 years.

Indians just clelebrated their Independence day and it would be interesting to know what their leaders of all parties still say in their speaches during this day of joy (15th of August every year) about how and why Indians faught and got freedom from British Empire?

Here is the difference between what the English did to them and what muslims do to the dhimmi - they are still doing it to this day. And this applies to slavery, and other atrocities that the appeasers usually bring up to try to compare muslims with every other group of people.

 

[jen_fla]

yeah, I just posted yesterday on this thread about it.

jihadwatch.org/archives/022000.php

There might be other articles about it, but it is only one tactic they are using to whitewash islam.

no, that’s yet another instance of censorship, but not the case i’m talking about. will see if i can find.

just read though that michael savage dropped his case against CAIR. one could easily assume he did this out of fear for his life.

sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/08/14/BAPR12BDPO.DTL

 

[jen_fla]

That is hillarious. Seriously, Christians are considered crazy if we get upset if someone urinates on a cross and calls it art. Yet if Muslims might get offended by the three little pigs, a judging panel gets rid of it?? What is that about?
Actually it makes sense, if Christians are offended they pray for the one who offended them, if Muslims are offended they threaten to Kill people and blow people up.

you have to laugh at it otherwise we’d all be crying at how reason is going the way of the dodo bird!

uch:

 

[jen_fla]

well, i still can’t find that journalistic association. however, i had no idea google was giving up freedom of expression in the name of “hate speech.”

"Google dumps news sites

that criticize radical Islam" from here:

worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50323

geez and i thought the people at google were so smart. i can NOT believe they opened this can of worms. hardcore porn though is just dandy. i bet we can all find millions of hateful sites on google that they left out of their censorship. way to tamper with the gift of the internet, google!

anyway, they aren’t just censoring islamic hate speech, they have removed sites for china and even those that discuss scientology.

factnet.org/Scientology/Google_Scientology.html

time to use another search engine.

 

[R_not]

no, that’s yet another instance of censorship, but not the case i’m talking about. will see if i can find.

just read though that michael savage dropped his case against CAIR. one could easily assume he did this out of fear for his life.

sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/08/14/BAPR12BDPO.DTL

yeah, he was getting calls of threats against his life. this is what islam is all about - individuals doing jihad in the cause of islam. It is what brought Theo Van Gogh his death, and so many others. you can do searches on that - it is on jihadwatch this week.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

if Christians are offended they pray for the one who offended them.

lol…what a funny joke

Tell this to Iraqi & Afghan people.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Tell this to Iraqi & Afghan people.

Amazing. I wanted to reply to his comment but this is just so powerful… so powerful.

 

[dzheremi]

What an equally “funny” joke, Muslim Woman, trying to tie either war to Christianity in the way that Muslim terrorist groups explicitly tie their actions to their religion. Neither war has anything to do with Christianity, or at least not Catholicism (I can’t speak for Evangelical Protestants like George W. Bush and company). Both Popes who have guided the Church since the inception of the Iraq war condemned it as unjust.

When I was going through the steps to join the Church in 2005-2006, I along with the other RCIA inductees were brought before the congregation to be formally introduced. In the course of this ceremony, Fr. Regina asked that God watch over us as new members of His church, as we were entering into it during an especially trying time both in the Church and in the world, when unjust wars were being waged and many innocents were dying in Iraq from American bombs (emphasis both mine and his), highlighting the incredibly backwards priorities of a world that does not care for life in the way that we have been instructed to. After the ceremony, an old woman, many years Fathers’ senior (and Fr. Regina himself is certainly a senior citizen) came up to him, furious that he had used his position to advance a political point on a sensitive topic. As he told us at the next RCIA meeting, she told him that he should NEVER do such a thing. He told her that he appreciated her concern, but that he could never in good conscience remain silent while people are suffering, so to do so now would be a greater offense and betrayal of the Lord’s teachings than it would be to speak out and risk offense among the more traditional members of the congregation.

Members of my parish have also taken up collections for relief efforts in the Middle East and other parts of the world effected by war, poverty, and disease.

Do not think that things are so simple that all Christians are always against all Muslims. We disagree with your religion and do not wish to see it gain control over our societies in the way that it has in the predominently Muslim lands, but that does not at all mean that we do not pray for you, or that we seek war against you. I know many, many Christians who are against the wars in Iraq (where, lest we forget, Christians are also victims of the violence) and Afghanistan. I myself am one of them as well.

 

[happyday]

Salaam/peace;

lol…what a funny joke

Tell this to Iraqi & Afghan people.

And not to mention the Japanese.