Islam is BAD!!!

[Namesake]

You said yes. i pray to God.
By saying this answer suggests you are praying to God alone, you didnt elaborate on also praying for other people as well.

Your question was “Answer me this, have you ever prayed for anyone?”

The very first word in my reply was Yes. That means yes I have prayed for someone. The rest was just additional information.

If you want it more simple try this.

Yes I have prayed for someone. How’s that?

 

[dolphinlove]

Well said.
We have the luxury of praying anytime, anywhere and any place.
Not in a particular time/direction and location.
Praise be to Jesus.
I even love this:
Mat 6:5
5"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

 

[dolphinlove]

Your question was “Answer me this, have you ever prayed for anyone?”

The very first word in my reply was Yes. That means yes I have prayed for someone. The rest was just additional information.

If you want it more simple try this.

Yes I have prayed for someone. How’s that?

Thats better, i now know you understand what praying for someone is all about.

 

[Namesake]

Thats better, i now know you understand what praying for someone is all about.

It isn’t the same as praying to someone who isn’t God. It isn’t the same as praying to another person so they will pray for someone.

My point is simply that prayer ought to be to God and no one else.

 

[dolphinlove]

It isn’t the same as praying to someone who isn’t God. It isn’t the same as praying to another person so they will pray for someone.

My point is simply that prayer ought to be to God and no one else.

And my point is to show there is nothing wrong praying with saints.
Thats what the whole point was about in the beginning.

 

[R_not]

Well said.
We have the luxury of praying anytime, anywhere and any place.
Not in a particular time/direction and location.
Praise be to Jesus.
I even love this:
Mat 6:5
5"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

Well, the muslims are making spectacles of themselves on street corners now. In West Sacramento I saw one banging his head on a prayer rug. I got sick and wanted to puke.

 

[dolphinlove]

Well, the muslims are making spectacles of themselves on street corners now. In West Sacramento I saw one banging his head on a prayer rug. I got sick and wanted to puke.

Lol we should print out cards with mat 6:5 on it and give them 2 panadols for the headaches from the head banging…

 

[R_not]

Lol we should print out cards with mat 6:5 on it and give them 2 panadols for the headaches from the head banging…

that is actually an excellent idea. At least the cards with Matt 6:5 on them.

 

[jen_fla]

Not quite. My friends and family are alive. Mary and the saints aren’t. And I can’t imagine anyone praying *to a friend or family member.

do you believe you stop existing after death?

we believe you live on. and if you are in heaven (will you deny Mary is not in heaven?) then it is not wrong that we ask her to pray WITH us To God just as it is not wrong for you to ask family members to pray WITH you TO God.

when you ask a person living to pray with you, they are on your level so to speak because you both are here in this earthly realm.

sometimes when we say TO it is just a grammatical error. we all visualize heaven as upwards… God, Mary, all the Angels and Saints are UP THERE. it is what our minds do. kind of like they way we pictured God as a very large older man with long white hair (or at least some of us did)…

so it is natural for humans to think of all things heavenly as way on up there.

it makes sense we sometimes use the word TO because our mind sees them as over there.

does that makes sense?

also it is OK to see it as praying TO Mary in that we are asking her for something… what we are asking her for is to pray FOR us or With us.

AND this topic has been discussed over and over again on many other threads.

 

[Cinette]

Although I have asked this so many times before, I think that I might as well try my luck one more time in the forlorn hope that someone here would actually answer the question.

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Are there any “moderate” Catholics on these boards who would categorically say that this is an act of evil which directly contravenes one of the Ten Commandments never to bow down to statues and graven images?

Dear Hamba

We do not bow down to statues and images believe me. We adorn our Churches with statues and images to remind us of Jesus, Mary and the saints. Just like you may have pictures of your family in your home and office. Idolatory is a sin.

When we enter a Church we first dip our fingers in holy water and make the sign of the cross - this reminds us of our baptism. We then approach the bench we choose to occupy and will genefluct (bend our knee) in respect of Jesus in the Tabernacle. Other than that we DO NOT bow to statues and images.

I hope I have answered your question. I am just a lay person and perhaps my response is not sufficient.

Have a nice day

 

[morning_star777]

muslims are to much advance about catholic statue.ok answer 1 of my question.when you(muslims)pray in mosque then every row gave prostration to the front row&all row give prostration to prayer leader.so now if i claim that this prostration is worship&during jamat(group prayer)in mosque muslims worship each other with God then?Any1 here saw muslims’ group prayer in mosque?if didn’t see yet,then see.so muslims have you any answer??

 

[Cinette]

Not quite. My friends and family are alive. Mary and the saints aren’t. And I can’t imagine anyone praying *to a friend or family member.

Dear Friend

Are you saying that Mary and the Saints are dead??!!

So when we die and go to heaven we go to a graveyard in heaven? What about eternal life???

Jesus died on the cross “Dying He destroyed our death, Rising He resorted our life…” Eternal life! Eternal life! That is the whole point of “salvation” - that we achieve Eternal life!

We are definitely not communicating with dead people!!! Ai!!!

Mary and the saints are very much alive in heaven. Think about it. In fact, they are more alive than we are - us and our family and friends here on earth.

:banghead: :yup:

 

[Cinette]

But the plain fact is that lots of Catholics even some on this web site say they pray to Mary. Lots and lots. Must be true, eh?

And when you pray the Hail Mary, how can that language be a prayer *with Mary?

Hello Namesake -

"Hail Mary Full of Grace - The Lord is with thee "(Luke)
this was said to Mary by the Angel Grabiel at the annunciation.

“Blessed are thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus” - (Luke)* this was said by Mary’s cousin Elizabeth*

“Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death - Amen”

First of all we repeat the greetings of the Angel Gabriel and Elizabeth who honoured her as we do, and then we ask Mary to pray for us. So now, is that worship?

So, dear Namesake, think about it - ponder it in your heart. We are NOT praying as such. Yes we might say praying but praying means talking, communicating. We communicate with the Family of God.

:yup:

 

[R_not]

I was just thinking as to why this concept of praying to Mary to intercede for us and to pray for us would be so alien to a muslim.

What is their heaven all about? …male muslims fornicating with a bunch of women. Their saints (or martyrs, or people who attain heaven) are not the same as our saints and people who have attained heaven. their heaven is based on killing (and doing other atrocities) to infidels. their charities are to support the jihadists - not the poor. They are encouraged to give alms sometimes, but as we have seen from muslim countries - the rich ones give so very little compared to their wealth. saudi arabia only recently gave something to Indonesia (a mostly muslim nation) over and above their usual pittance due to heavy scrutiny. Westerners give the most and we don’t care if they are muslim or not.

Basically, what I am saying is that praying to someone who has attained heaven is a rather alien concept. When a ‘religion’ is more concerned about sex in heaven - why would the ones there be concerned about anything other than which one of the 72 they are doing at the time?!

Now, what they do hope is that if their suicide bomber, or anyone who dies killing infidels, has attained heaven that they name one of them as being saved also. I forget the number of people a martyr can name as saved - I keep thinking 72 as that number, but I could be mixing it up with the number of virgins.

 

[Cinette]

Will a prayer to a saint be more effective than a prayer directly to God? If not, why involve the saint when the object of the prayer is something a person wants (in this case a certain job). And who really believes that God is involved in getting a person a certain job. Ridiculous!

Oh Namesake…! Ai!!!

I guess you have NEVER asked anyone to pray for you, huh?

You just don’t get it do you, Namesake??

Well then, let me say this. We pray to Mary and the Saints asking for their intercession. However, we never praise them. Praising is the highest form of prayer. We Praise God and offer thanks - this is reserved solely for God.

Your Catholic friends may not be articulate or sufficiently catechised but they know the difference between communicating with God directly and asking Mary and the saints to pray for them.

So now my friend - either you stop asking anyone to pray for you again or you *understand *once and for all! what this is all about!!!

Good day

:banghead:

 

[Cinette]

Yes. I pray to God, no one else is involved because He is the one who controls the universe, not Mary, not saints. I would never pray to someone like a saint to get the message to God for me, or to make my prayer more acceptable to God. I reckon God is powerful enough to not need the help of a saint, or Mary to hear my prayer. Or is there something more than God’s love for us?

Another thing Namesake - remember the wedding at Cana when Mary asked Jesus to assist and then she turned to the servants and said “Do as he tells you”. Well when I pray to Mary I ask her to use her influence with Jesus for me. Jesus is our brother and Mary is our Mother. I love them and I find the communication very reassuring.

Of course I know that God always gets His way with us. We pray for things and He answers our prayers by giving us what is best for us and this is not necessarily what we ask for.

That is why I now pray “may thy will be done”. However I pray for my children and grandchildren and ask Mary to take care of them by praying for them also.

Think about it.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

We are bowing to them to pray with us.

so , men made statues have power to pray ?

Is there any verse in ur holy book that tells u to do so ? Why don’t u pray to God directly without making statues ?

In ur Bible , God warns that God is very jealous & will take revenge if u worhip anyone besides God. Why take unnecessary risk that may throw u in fire forever ?

Saints are dead persons. We can ask someone who is ALIVE to pray for us , pray with us …but how come dead saints can pray with u ?

 

[Cinette]

Years ago when one of my sons was sailing around the world I used to pray all the time and everywhere - I once prayed in the bath tub!

I’m sure God didn’t mind.

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace;

so , men made statues have power to pray ?

Is there any verse in ur holy book that tells u to do so ? Why don’t u pray to God directly without making statues ?

In ur Bible , God warns that God is very jealous & will take revenge if u worhip anyone besides God. Why take unnecessary risk that may throw u in fire forever ?

Saints are dead persons. We can ask someone who is ALIVE to pray for us , pray with us …but how come dead saints can pray with u ?

Most of these statues are plaster and paint. Nothing more. Some statues are of marble and during certain times in our history artists made only religious art. And those things are usually marble. In the Sistine Chapel, there is a lot of artwork also.

It is called ‘art work’.

considering muslims destroy art work, as they did in raids in India and destroyed Hindu art work and I am not sure if they believed the statues were considered the entities themselves or just art, in the so many churches across muslim lands now the muslims have destroyed so much and they violate a lot of things such as they did in Jerusalem - there is no respect for anything that is non-muslim. There is no attempt at understanding that anything could be different from islam’s idea of things.

The three major jihads against India, in the past, the muslims destroyed a lot. They are on another jihad in India that they officially declared late last year - so who knows how much more will be destroyed.

There is little tolerance in islam. But, we are supposed to tolerate the intolerant ones or else the ‘victimhood’ moaning starts.

How many more notes about statues do you guys require before you even attempt to understand ‘art work’? Or how we pray? Or anything? The reason why I ask is because there is NEVER an attempt to understand anything because in islam, muslims are not taught to tolerate anything else.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

souls are immortal …in that sense , we all ( any ordinary people ) will be alive after our physical death in this world.

I want to know is it allowed for Christians to make statue for prayer purpose ? Where is the Biblical verse to support ur this act ?