Islam is BAD!!!

[inJESUS]

InJESUS, I do not understand the portion about not encrypting their stamps in Arabic. I am assuming that Muslim invaders were Arabic-speakers, so how could the Christians encrypt anything in Arabic to the detriment of the Muslims? Sorry if this is a silly question.

i assume that since Arabic is considered a divine language by Muslims, Christians stamps must not be in Arabic.

 

[Silouan]

When islam says that infidels are less than pigs, dogs and feces, and are not protected under sharia law therefore they can be done with as they wish - if they do not pay the jizya. And we have seen too many times that even then those infidels are in danger.
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Bring me a quote from the Quran and/or Hadith with an explanation from a recongized Islamic scholar preferrable prior to the 1700’s teaching this.

We are talking about Islam, not how uneducated understand Islam.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[Silouan]

I am curious what brought you out of Islam?

In short, the more I learned about Islam, the more I grew away from it. It is too legalistic, it is very jewish in nature. I see mercy in Islam (in the primary sources of Islam), but the way it is taught today, it seems to lack mercy, because legalism seems to over ride mercy. Or righteousness proceeds mercy.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[Silouan]

Silouan, when you were a Muslim, reading the Quran and hadith and sunna made you love Jews and Christians? was it the teachings or you as a person? because in my experience, the more one gets involved in islamic teaching, the more the hatred to Jews and Christians so am interested in your perspective, and i will not quote the hateful Quranic verses, i will quote the behavior of Umar bil Al-Khattab in his treaty with the Christians of Sham, for example.
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I have to go to work but I will reply when I get off work.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[inJESUS]

In short, the more I learned about Islam, the more I grew away from it. It is too legalistic, **it is very jewish in nature. ** I see mercy in Islam (in the primary sources of Islam), but the way it is taught today, it seems to lack mercy, because legalism seems to over ride mercy. Or righteousness proceeds mercy.

In Christ,

Silouan

i agree and that’s because of the Jewish roots of the Christian sect that evolved into islam.

When Muhammad says that we are nothing unless we observe *both *OT and NT, how do you understand it? it is a Judaizer teaching and Judaizers were Jewish-Christians who opposed the apostles…is the standard Islamic teaching that we Christians are nothing without observing the Mosaic law?

 

[KenEOTE]

Salaam/peace;

A Pastor told me he & many Christians voted for Bush because Bush was against abortion.

It looks like unborn US babies are more imp to them than the living human being in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Yes , he has some other points but I was hurt by this logic that electing Bush means save the lives of thousands unborn US babies . When we know that because of Bush’s lies , thousands innocents already dead & will surely die in Iraq , how it’s possible that people can select a proven liar & killer ?

Actually it would be Millions of unborn babies.
Here we go again Bush lied… yadda yadda yadda. Actually the UN lied, actually every intelligence agency in the world Lied and most importantly Sadaam Lied. Had he not defied and lied to the UN none of this would have happen. Put the blame where it belongs. On Sadaam.

Muslim woman the same cold be asked of Palestine… How cold they pick well hmm pretty much every one of there leaders, they are have been proven liars and killers.

 

[R_not]

Bring me a quote from the Quran and/or Hadith with an explanation from a recongized Islamic scholar preferrable prior to the 1700’s teaching this.

We are talking about Islam, not how uneducated understand Islam.

In Christ,

Silouan

#1. we have all found out that this misconception that muslims who are fighting are illiterate, poor, etc is not true. In fact, we have discovered doctors, wealthy, middle class, well-educated, people waging jihad and some even willing to blow themselves up and their own babies just to kill infidels. If you do not remember those whom we have captured then you forget the doctors caught in England, a professor in Florida, bin ladan and his #2 one being wealthy and the other a doctor, etc. And none of these have given one hoot whether their victims are women and children. And never forget the ones who lob bombs from the North and from the South into Israel aiming at children and women.

**Contemporary Muslim theologians such as Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, “spiritual” leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and popular Al-Jazeera television personality, hailed as a moderate voice by some in the West, sanction bombings against all Israeli citizens using Jihad criteria completely in line with those by classical jurists. He argues that in modern war there are no civilians, as all sectors of society aid the efforts if the country is involved in confrontation with Muslims in some way. Which also means that all non-Muslim citizens become legitimate targets of Islamic attacks. Qaradawi says:

“It has been determined by Islamic law that the blood and property of people of Dar Al-Harb [the Domain of Disbelief where the battle for the domination of Islam should be waged] is not protected…in modern war, all of society, with all its classes and ethnic groups, is mobilized to participate in the war, to aid its continuation, and to provide it with the material and human fuel required for it to assure the victory of the state fighting its enemies.”

Needless to say, this line of thinking could easily be used by Islamic groups to justify terror attacks such as the ones on the World Trade Center in New York City. In their eyes, they didn’t kill innocent civilians since there are no innocent civilians in the USA. This should be kept in mind when listening to “moderate” Muslim leaders smiling and declaring that Islam is strongly against killing innocent civilians. Indeed, there are some Muslims who would argue that ALL non-Muslims, at least those who have on some point heard the Islamic message and still failed to convert, are guilty of rebellion against Allah and thus fair game.

An undercover investigation caught leaders of a radical Islamic group in the UK inciting young British Muslims to become terrorists. One of their leaders declared it was imperative for Muslims to “instil terror into the hearts of the kuffar” and added: “I am a terrorist. As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist.” In public interviews the same man had condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: “Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar (infidels).”**

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012406.php

Now, what we get from many muslims is that if one mentions a cleric, or a leader, they will disown them as ‘not speaking for islam’. How convenient! Yes, how convenient - a way to ‘muddy the waters’ and confuse.

And as for me refering to muslims when refering to atrocities and such - well, jihadists are muslims. And they practice islam. And this is why I don’t trust islam because its basic teachings are radical and deadly. This is also why none of them do a thing to stop the jihadists, but in fact support it via muslim charities that our government shuts down as soon as they find them.

 

[rikkk1958]

If we stick to the thread “Islam is Bad”, I think we should ask ourselves how bad is it and why. In my own point of view and understanding, Islam was meant probably not to be bad because it teaches devotion to one true God, however, the way it was founded and moved forward by its disciples, Islam as created by Muhammed lacks merit because in the first place, Muhammed was not a person to likely get favor from God. Unlike Paul, who eventhough a very bad person before knowing Jesus, Muhammed continued to live almost an ungodly person, perverting with women even to have sex with a 9 year old girl. This proves to me that the action was sufficient to brand the person who acted in such way to be ungodly and not worthy of favor from God. If you know God and respect Jesus and his teachings as what muslims said they do, why is the Quran made with so much full of hatred. The only reason for this writings is to discredit the Holy Bible because of the quran’s view on the people of the book. Historically, Muhammed’s life was in the stage of spreading Christianity and we have to take note that the arabian peninsula was a no man’s land with no law to govern them. In that land, paganism was still practiced and from time to time, a Bible preacher would come to that place and spread the words from the bible. Obviously, this was when some Arabs were able to learn the story fron the Bible and the life of jesus, and this is why it also educate Muhammed the story of Jesus and Mary and Moses and Abraham. Would I believe Muhammed really saw the Angel in the Cave? I don’t think so. I believe Muhammed wanted to make a difference in the region and by that goal he wanted to reform the region with sword and faith.

 

[R_not]

If we stick to the thread “Islam is Bad”, I think we should ask ourselves how bad is it and why. In my own point of view and understanding, Islam was meant probably not to be bad because it teaches devotion to one true God, however, the way it was founded and moved forward by its disciples, Islam as created by Muhammed lacks merit because in the first place, Muhammed was not a person to likely get favor from God. Unlike Paul, who eventhough a very bad person before knowing Jesus, Muhammed continued to live almost an ungodly person, perverting with women even to have sex with a 9 year old girl. This proves to me that the action was sufficient to brand the person who acted in such way to be ungodly and not worthy of favor from God. If you know God and respect Jesus and his teachings as what muslims said they do, why is the Quran made with so much full of hatred. The only reason for this writings is to discredit the Holy Bible because of the quran’s view on the people of the book. Historically, Muhammed’s life was in the stage of spreading Christianity and we have to take note that the arabian peninsula was a no man’s land with no law to govern them. In that land, paganism was still practiced and from time to time, a Bible preacher would come to that place and spread the words from the bible. Obviously, this was when some Arabs were able to learn the story fron the Bible and the life of jesus, and this is why it also educate Muhammed the story of Jesus and Mary and Moses and Abraham. Would I believe Muhammed really saw the Angel in the Cave? I don’t think so. I believe Muhammed wanted to make a difference in the region and by that goal he wanted to reform the region with sword and faith.

I agree with most of what you have posted except for a few points. mohammed was more concerned with the Jews and converting the Jews of his time, but also the others such as the Christians and others of other faiths.

He also was said to have started out peacefully, but sometime between Mecca and Medina turned to the violence we now know of. Well, it seems he was not as peaceful as all that in Mecca - he taunted and ridiculed others to such a point that the elders of Mecca asked his uncle to stop mohammed. His uncle had little influence over mohammed.

Also from mohammed’s early history there are some things that account for his later actions such as his paranoia, lust and also hatred of women, and grandoise character. His father died when he was very young, and his mother handed him over to a nurse - basically abandoning him. His mother was probably young and a baby was probably a hardship at a time when she needed to find another husband. Anyway, a young mohammed was also handed over to his uncle to raise and he was taken on caravan trips.

Anyway, when his mother was dead, mohammed was known to have not wanted to even visit her grave. A young mohammed married a woman 15 years his senior also and she was wealthy. Before mohammed’s islam - women had many more rights. After mohammed thought up islam - women were given half the rights of a man.

mohammed exhibited another indication of his hatred for women and that was by enslaving them, passing them around as booty, telling his men to impregnant them and to not waste their ‘seed’, and by his not fulfilling the wishes of Aisha’s father and waiting until she was of age to have sex with her. His lusting and getting his stepson’s wife also showed his disrespect for marriage overall, much less women and his stepson. From that incident he told his followers to never adopt anyone so that sort of thing won’t happen - the taking of a step child’s wife.

He found that raiding caravans also was very prosperous for him. Not only the battles, such as we know against people which accumulated slaves and booty, the caravan raids provided he and his men with quite an abundance of wealth.

He at one time realized that killing all the men maybe was not such a good idea so he thought up the idea of dhimmitude (subjugation). From this state, these people would pay higher taxes, be humiliated daily, do the work the muslims didn’t want to do or have to do, and basically met a need that was lacking - people to till the land and do other things.

‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’ really goes into this and a lot more about mohammed. It was written by Ali Sina, an Iranian ex-muslim and shows his research into islam which he calls - mohammedism - a religion based on mohammed.

 

[R_not]

Ali Sina thinks that mohammed had temporal lobe epilepsy which would account for the visions that he had. he was known to have ‘fits’ and in his time explaining them as visions was much more acceptable.

mohammed was a pagan and took the main god, allah, who was one of many gods and made it the god of islam. He changed allah a bit and because mohammed wanted to convert the Jews he added the Old Testament stories. He made allah into his own self, with his own lustfulness, etc. He also added other prophets such as Izu (Jesus). But, because he didn’t know the Bible and only heard the stories - he did not accurately relay them in the koran. But, he said that it was the Jews and Christians who rewrote those stories (this is why planten, muslim woman, etc all screw up the Bible on these threads) and we are the ones that will go to hades. He also said that if the muslims change the stories he said that the muslims will go to hades.

I think that mohammed was very bright even though he was an illiterate. And had an inner sense of the ‘art of war’ (similar to Sun Tsu’s Art of War). And this is what was conveyed in the koran and hadiths - mohammed’s art of war against kafir.

 

[R_not]

Here is a good listen to about the Al Qaeda Reader. It goes into various subjects which include the rise of fundamentalists - especially after 9/11, the rise of violence in previously ‘moderate’ islamic countries, a touch on Mein Kampf (my struggle) versus the Al Qaeda Reader which is much more violent and the ‘my struggle’ or jihadi (the Arabic word for ‘my struggle’), and also how this ban on words to describe jihad, radicals, etc - are just ignored in the muslim world.

One thing I have noticed and wrote it before - is that their drive to islamicize has sped up since 9/11. This audio also goes into the fact that we all focus on the strife between the muslims and Israel - we forget their claiming that Spain is islam’s too.

blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingRight/the-gathering-storm/2008/08/22/the-gathering-storm-radio-show

 

[jen_fla]

Salaam/peace

even if this is correct that Muslims are responsible for 9/11 , tell me how many died in that tragedy ? Maximum 3 thousands.

To take revenge , US led forces combining soldiers from Christian majority countries killed thousands & thousands innocents including kids. How many innocents died so far ? Only God knows.

Bush told us 25,000 or 30,000—more or less.

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How Bush elected again ? Surely Christians supported / voted , thus they are also responsible for what’s going on in Iraq & Afghanistan.

i have three things to mention:

1. has this turned into another olympic “my country is better than your country” thread?

other posters have stated that the united states military is made up of pretty much every religion know to man. also the united states is not a theocracy. we are a constitutional republic. NOT republic of islam and NOT republic of Christianity.

so for you imply that Christians are at war with iraq is wrong.

the Catholic Church which was and is the ONE true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself has been against this war. Christians can only declare war if the conditions for just cause have been met.

The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:

* the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
* all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
* there must be serious prospects of success;
* the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the “just war” doctrine. The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.

taken from here:

catholic.com/library/Just_war_Doctrine_1.asp

1. no one on this forum (or at least from what i have read) seems to hate muslims. what some of us are speaking out against are the dangerous and supremist ideas that islam teaches. obviously some of islam’s teachings are peaceful, but other teachings are simply terrifying.
2. Christians have the Catholic Church to teach proper interpretation of the Holy Bible. muslims do not have that so it is understandable how passages like the following lead to violence!
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   how come NOT ONE muslim has responded to this? i have posted it repeatedly and still NOT ONE RESPONSE?**

one more time, could a knowledgeable muslim please comment on this hadith? what loving message can be found from this unacceptable and vile message? please answer me.

sister amy, you gave no response. could ANY muslim or former muslim educate me about this hadith? and i am not trying to be a jerk, but could you please answer this without deflecting the question to something like, “well you guys worship concrete.”

this is a teaching from YOUR mohammed, so please help me understand how this is peaceful.

Book 38, Number 4348:

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

**A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet **(peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

Book 38, Number 4349:

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:

A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.

i have admitted that i am ignorant, so please show charity to a big dummy like myself and help me see how this is part of a peaceful religion.

if you can not, well then i still hold to this islam as being woven with threads of beauty mixed in with evil.

 

[R_not]

if you can not, well then i still hold to this islam as being woven with threads of beauty mixed in with evil.__________________

Even if no one answers the question that you have (I won’t hold my breath), tell me what you think is beautiful about islam. I haven’t found anything that is beautiful about islam. (please - no muslims answer this because I don’t like fairy tales about it)

 

[jen_fla]

if you can not, well then i still hold to this islam as being woven with threads of beauty mixed in with evil.__________________

Even if no one answers the question that you have (I won’t hold my breath), tell me what you think is beautiful about islam. I haven’t found anything that is beautiful about islam. (please - no muslims answer this because I don’t like fairy tales about it)

the parts that are consistent with Christian teachings and there are many. there are passages that show mercy, but the contradictions seem to keep piling up. what are the poor muslims to do when one verse says there is no compulsion and yet we have mohammed himself teaching it is acceptable to God to kill those that leave the religion?

i can see where a muslim scholar might call me ignorant, but what about iran and saudi arabi where the politics are based on the quran by scholars?

i do NOT hate muslims! however, i do hate some of the teachings of islam. who wouldn’t?

kill those that leave the faith
slavery is still OK
kill those that cheat
etc.

it is SO hard to say i love you, but hate what you believe in without starting some form mudslinging. i know that. however, i for one am very grateful that my eyes have been opened as to what islam teaches.

what more can i do? no muslim will respond to this hadith. maybe they will not because i called it vile, but yes, it is. …to kill a woman, a mother of two children (that one man has enslaved) because she was speaking out against mohammed is HORRIBLE!!! where is your outrage?

i can hardly maintain civility when i read such anti-semitic writings!!!

i have tried to keep this civil in hopes someone could explain this to me. no response only makes me assume this is truly what islam teaches.

marcus i am sorry you are saddened by all this. i know my tone can be obnoxious at times, but honestly i only get that way when i see such injustice. can you give me some sort of explanation that would explain the exact opposite of what mohammed meant when he said that there would be no punishment for KILLING A JEWISH SLAVE MOTHER OF TWO CHILDREN FOR TALKING ILL OF MOHAMMED???!!!

really, i have had it with the sugar coating. again, i do NOT hate muslims. they are human beings that God created and loves. they have good qualities and bad qualities just like anyone else on this planet. i love them and have begun to really pray for them every night, because as of a few months ago, i had no idea how twisted their philosophy was/is.

they really need our prayers.

 

[harrypot]

i do NOT hate muslims! however, i do hate some of the teachings of islam. who wouldn’t?

kill those that leave the faith

A Catholic Encyclopedia (The New Advent) says:

“The Church’s legislation on heresy and heretics is often reproached with cruelty and intolerance. Intolerant it is: in fact its raison d’être is intolerance of doctrines subversive of the faith. But such intolerance is essential to all that is, or moves, or lives, for tolerance of destructive elements within the organism amounts to suicide.”
“Medieval people found no fault with the system, in fact heretics had been burned by the populace centuries before the Inquisition became a regular institution. And whenever heretics gained the upper hand, they were never slow in applying the same laws: so the Huguenots in France, the Hussites in Bohemia, the Calvinists in Geneva, the Elizabethan statesmen and the Puritans in England.”

Toleration came in only when faith went out; lenient measures were resorted to only where the power to apply more severe measures was wanting. The embers of the Kulturkampf in Germany still smoulder; the separation and confiscation laws and the ostracism of Catholics in France are the scandal of the day. Christ said: “Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34). The history of heresy verifies this prediction and shows, moreover, that the greater number of the victims of the sword is on the side of the faithful adherents of the one Church founded by Christ (see INQUISITION)."

 

[harrypot]

As the learned Dr. Schaff declares in his “History of the Christian Church” (vol. V, New York, 1907, p. 524),

**"To the great humiliation of the Protestant churches, religious intolerance and even persecution unto death were continued long after the Reformation.

In Geneva the pernicious theory was put into practice by state and church, even to the use of torture and the admission of the testimony of children against their parents, and with the sanction of Calvin. Bullinger, in the second Helvetic Confession, announced the principle that heresy could be punished like murder or treason."**

 

[inJESUS]

A Catholic Encyclopedia (The New Advent) says:

killing those who leave the faith is Islamic. The New advent says regarding apostacy:
The penalties (see ECCLESIASTICAL CENSURES) latae sententiae are: (1) **Excommunication **specially reserved to the Roman pontiff, which is incurred by all apostates from the Catholic Faith, by each and all heretics, by whatever name they are known and to whatever sect they belong, and by all who believe in them ( credentes), receive, favour, or in any way defend them (Constitution “Apostolicae Sedis”, 1869).

 

[Silouan]

Silouan, when you were a Muslim, reading the Quran and hadith and sunna made you love Jews and Christians? was it the teachings or you as a person? because in my experience, the more one gets involved in islamic teaching, the more the hatred to Jews and Christians so am interested in your perspective, and i will not quote the hateful Quranic verses, i will quote the behavior of Umar bil Al-Khattab in his treaty with the Christians of Sham, for example.

In all honesty, I always loved people and in general have a kind heart. But at the same time I was never taught by anyone knowledgeable of Islam to hate Jews or Christians. But at the same time there are some anti-Jewish and anti-Christians among Muslims, but I can honestly say it has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. It is more related to the actions of past and current Jewish and Christians people. I believe the following has created the hatred in the heart of some Muslims.

1. Colonization and Slavery created by Christian nations.
2. Western support of Islamic dictators in Muslim countries.
3. Explotation of Western Oil Companies.
4. The Occupation of the Israelis in Palestine and the unconditional support for them by the West.

All of these past and currect oppressions created by the West on Muslim nations has created this hatred in the heart of some Muslims.

In Islam, there is Traditional Sunni Islam and a protestant Islam, but it is not called Protestant Islam, but since you are Christian, it is the best way to characterized them so you can understand why they don’t represent the true teachings of Islam.

Islam is a very vast tradition with many teachings, which can sometimes seem contradictory. These protestant Muslim in modern times have used every verse or hadith that appears hateful to justify their anger, and completely ignore the verses and hadith that oppose such rage.

Historically speaking, Muhammad taught two schools of thought, a Christian school of thought and a Jewish school of thought. The Christian school of thought, is when Muhammad did not have a nation and was not in any power, this was during the Meccan phrase of his like, 13 years, in which love, peace and God were the essential teachings. Then you have the Jewish school of thought, which is when Muhammad was establishing a nation, this is when the Muslims started establishing Jewish like legal rulings. This was during the Medinan phase.

Islam is suppose to be middle path between Christianity and Judaism. But the problem with Islam is that it more resembles Judaism than Christianity, and this is because the Jewish phase was the last school that was taught, and not much of the Christian phase (as I call it) has been recorded, except that it has been emerged.

In my opinion, the Jewish legal system is just as harsh as Islam.

Comparing Islam and Christianity, to be fair to the Muslims, Jesus never established a nation, so we do not know what kind of legal system he would have establised. Because before Muhammad established an Islamic nation, prior to going to Medinah, his peaceful teachings were very much like Jesus.

However Christians have established nations after Jesus, and there were just as cruel if not more so, than some Islamic Nations. Christians both Catholics and Protestants, supported Slavery and Colonization. Many non-Christians died at the hands of Christians, both in the countries they lived in, and when Christianity spread by the sword, through colonization, the inquistion. Look at all the American Indians that Christians killed. Christianity does not have a beautiful history, to say the least. In fact it was one of the things which almost caused me not to study it. One of my ex-Muslim friends who isn’t Christian, mentioned the problematic history of the Muslims, but also mentioned the problematic history of the Christians, and he would say that they are quite identical, he said now that Christianity has conquered most of the world through death and killing, it now want to display itself as a peaceful religion.

And that my friend is a good point.

Because of the Christian history, I often comtemplated becoming a Buddhist or a Hindu.

I wanted to end this, that my previous Islamic teachers have never taught me to hate Christans or Jews. In fact Hamza Yusuf who I love and admire even to this day has stated the Habib Umar, who is probably one of the greatest living Islamic teaches has taught that, we must always think non-Muslims are better than us (ie Muslims).

Do you think that these rules put by Umar to ensure humiliation and disgrace stem from love or hatred? because i have no doubt that many Muslims are loving people, but is the Islamic ideology that of love?

In all honesty, I am quite disturbed by what Umar has stated. At the same time I don’t want to judge Umar and say whether it is based on love or hate, because I have not done research on this praticular issue. To understand the Islamic position on Jiziya, I would have to look at all four schools of Islamic Law as well, as well as what the leading scholars of Islam have stated about it and how it was implemented by Islamic nations of the past.

I have to be fair and not judge them until I have researched this issue.

in Christ,

Silouan

 

[Silouan]

Contemporary Muslim theologians such as Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, “spiritual” leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and popular Al-Jazeera television personality, hailed as a moderate voice by some in the West, sanction bombings against all Israeli citizens using Jihad criteria completely in line with those by classical jurists. He argues that in modern war there are no civilians, as all sectors of society aid the efforts if the country is involved in confrontation with Muslims in some way. Which also means that all non-Muslim citizens become legitimate targets of Islamic attacks. .

In all honesty, when I was Muslim, I would have never taken knowledge from Yusuf Al Qaradawi. Because his rulings (edicts) are **NOT ** “completely in line with those by classical jurists.” Very few of his rulings are inline with the classical jurist. And in my opinion he is not a good jurist.

In regards to Yusuf Qaradawi, I’ve read some of his edicts and the edicts of those who support the killing of innocent civilizans through suicide bombing, and it is a position that I can honestly say, has no strong evidence in the Quran and Hadith. There isn’t a strong legal basis for this position.

And none of the Islamic scholars I studied with, supported suicide bombing.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[inJESUS]