Islam is BAD!!!

[Angelos]

my apologies to InJesus in post #791. i don’t know what happened with my quoting, but that quote came from muslim woman, not InJesus.

sorry. also want to say what a joy it is to read your posts (you too angelos!). you both always state your counter arguments without losing your cool… something i really need to work on.

You most probably quoted inJESUS’ quote within Muslim Woman’s post. If there is a quotation within a quotation, the system here automatically leaves the original quote out. I suggest previewing your post and deleting the secondary quote before submitting your reply (This is what I always do since I have encountered the same problem a few times). No need to be sorry or apologise though

Thanks for your nice comments. Peace & blessings

 

[Angelos]

Was it really necessary to praise and encourage inJESUS, despite the fact that his few posts that I read are very much UNCHRISTIAN and UNCATHOLIC in nature and he appears to me ‘more Catholic than the Pope’? His hatred towards the Muslims (due to his lack of knowledge of Islam and th history of Muslims) is truly ‘REMARKABLE’. Is he a true representative of Catholicism, in your eyes?

What do you “personally” define as UNCHRISTIAN???

It is not reasonable to conclude that one’s supposed hatred results from one’s lack of knowledge. A person may know a lot about something, yet still hate it.

IMPO, it is no one’s job to judge people and decide who is more Christian than others or who represents Christianity better than others.

 

[R_not]

Was it really necessary to praise and encourage inJESUS, despite the fact that his few posts that I read are very much UNCHRISTIAN and UNCATHOLIC in nature and he appears to me ‘more Catholic than the Pope’? His hatred towards the Muslims (due to his lack of knowledge of Islam and th history of Muslims) is truly ‘REMARKABLE’. Is he a true representative of Catholicism, in your eyes?

Ironic since I consider inJesus one of the few who shows more Christian and Catholic tolerance than others on these threads. And that also includes your posts.

Anyone who has read the koran, and studied the imperialistic nature and intolerance of muslims towards non-muslims throughout the ages and including to this very day - would know that the intolerance comes from them. I would say that inJesus has shown more knowledge of islam than many others - including you.

When a ‘religion’ such as islam only considers death, conversion or subjugation a way to have peace with Jews and Christians, and only death or conversion with the others of other religions the only choice - I would say that is the religion and the followers of no tolerance. And it is shown to us daily, while the so called moderates do nothing to stop the violence - they worry more about their image. Well, too bad that we have instant images and news worldwide to show that their image has been damaged beyond repair because they do nothing to stop it.

And then there are those, like you, who put their heads in the sand and don’t want to know the violence they do worldwide - in over 35 areas around this globe.

 

[R_not]

You most probably quoted inJESUS’ quote within Muslim Woman’s post. If there is a quotation within a quotation, the system here automatically leaves the original quote out. I suggest previewing your post and deleting the secondary quote before submitting your reply (This is what I always do since I have encountered the same problem a few times). No need to be sorry or apologise though

Thanks for your nice comments. Peace & blessings

Yeah, I made that mistake a few times - thanks for describing what the problem is!!

 

[Silouan]

I don’t find anything beautiful in islam. !).

Well I thank the Lord Jesus Christ that I didn’t learn Islam from you.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[harrypot]

Ironic since I consider inJesus one of the few who shows more Christian and Catholic tolerance than others on these threads. And that also includes your posts.

Anyone who has read the koran, and studied the imperialistic nature and intolerance of muslims towards non-muslims throughout the ages and including to this very day - would know that the intolerance comes from them. I would say that inJesus has shown more knowledge of islam than many others - including you.

When a ‘religion’ such as islam only considers death, conversion or subjugation a way to have peace with Jews and Christians, and only death or conversion with the others of other religions the only choice - I would say that is the religion and the followers of no tolerance. And it is shown to us daily, while the so called moderates do nothing to stop the violence - they worry more about their image. Well, too bad that we have instant images and news worldwide to show that their image has been damaged beyond repair because they do nothing to stop it.

And then there are those, like you, who put their heads in the sand and don’t want to know the violence they do worldwide - in over 35 areas around this globe.

Are you saying what inJESUS and you (who learned from inJESUS) are true and faithfull representatives of your Popes, includung Pope John Paul?

 

[R_not]

Here is another reason why I find islam to be BAD!

honor killings - oh, and to those who say it is not an islamic thing - well, in every single muslim controlled contry they have sharia law and none of them stop honor killings. And we find that the muslims from every single muslim country bring it to the countries they migrate to, such as in our country.

groups.msn.com/THeTruthAboutIslam/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=&ID_Message=12901

here is a quote from the article:

**“From Pakistan and Afghanistan through Iran, the Middle East, and all the way to Morocco,” Huwaidar wrote, “this entire part of the world [is full of] defeated and dejected men, whose only way to gain some sort of victory is by beating their women to death.”

Sadly, evidence is not hard to come by. In the last few months, there have been news reports of a Jordanian man murdering his daughter “to cleanse the family’s honor” after she kept leaving home without permission; another Jordanian, 22 years old, who gave the same reason — “family honor” — for killing his pregnant sister; a Saudi woman beaten and shot by her father after he discovered her having an online correspondence with a man on Facebook; and two Arab brothers in Israel, who strangled their sister after learning that she was involved in a romantic relationship.

But while honor killings may be more prevalent in the Middle East, no longer are they unknown in the West.**

And why is honor killings coming to not only our country, but also to Europe, Australia, Canada, etc? Because the muslims live in areas, together, unwilling to merge with us and who practice sharia law within those areas that they live.

 

[R_not]

Are you saying what inJESUS and you (who learned from inJESUS) are true and faithfull representatives of your Popes, includung Pope John Paul?

I learned islam from reading over 50 books on the subject including the koran and many of the hadiths, and also keep abreast of it by daily news from such websites as jihadwatch, frontpagemag.com and other websites.

I have heard this argument before that because we know islam we are not following something that tells us to not know it. sorry chump, but God gave me the ability to know islam and to warn others about it - I am not sinning, nor am I a bad Christian by telling others what islam is all about.

Unfortunately, islam is carried on by muslims. I cannot control that - it is what muslims do in the name of islam that is the problem. And ‘moderate’ muslims support the jihadists because that is what mohammed has told them to do. They support them via muslim charities (that our government shuts down when they find them) and via deception as to what islam is when they portray it as peaceful and benign to infidels. It is neither.

As for your question - I follow what I believe Jesus is directing me to do. Even the Pope has spoken against islam - and we all know how the muslims took that - with threats against his life and the so called masses of ‘moderates’ did nothing to either apologize, or stop those who threaten. Instead, they will say ‘oh, that guy doesn’t speak for me’, or ‘he is no one that I know’, or some such nonsense. When we find out and dig into islam some more - we find that there doesn’t have to be one leader - each muslim is required to be a jihadist and either kill, convert or subjugate non-muslims - or at least support those who do.

 

[R_not]

Well I thank the Lord Jesus Christ that I didn’t learn Islam from you.

In Christ,

Silouan

ditto. I asked someone what do they find beautiful in islam and didn’t get a very good response. I said I find nothing beautiful in a ‘religion’ whose goals is world domination which is another word for its imperialistic nature and fascism - ‘either you are with us or against us’ mentality.

And a ‘religion’ that sanctions deception which only makes one ask, ‘How can one trust a muslim if they are to deceive us?’. Or a ‘religion’ whos adherents send their children out to kill and celebrate, dance and ulalate when they die killing infidels and who hope that they are named when their child says to their allah that they are saved too. Or a ‘religion’ that will kill old nuns and many others, destroy churches, riot and just create chaos over cartoons - while the masses of ‘moderates’ only worry over their own skins and do nothing to stop them and deceive us.

Or when jihadists kill and destroy and the masses of ‘moderates’ only worry over their own skins and do nothing to stop them and deceive us.

And I just posted about honor killings, something that is ok in their sharia laws since no muslim country stops them and they carry sharia law into our country and thumb their noses at our laws.

If you want to tell me what is ‘beautiful’ about islam - go for it. I am not going to censor you like muslims try to get anyone who speaks about islam, mohammed and allah censored.

 

[Silouan]

As for your question - I follow what I believe Jesus is directing me to do.

If you are a reflection of the teachings of Jesus, than I don’t want to be Christian, because you represent evil in its purist form. ** If you can prove to me that your way is the way of Christ,** I will leave Christianity.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[R_not]

Here is more from that article about honor killings, and this quote is about Jordan a supposed ‘moderate’ muslim country:

While many authorities say that Islamic religious tradition does not sanction honor killing, it has long been accepted in many Muslim societies all the same. Perpetrators are typically punished lightly, if at all. In 2003, Jordan’s parliament overwhelmingly defeated a proposal to impose harsher penalties for honor killings; Islamists objected on the grounds that more severe punishment would violate religious traditions and damage Jordanian society. “There must be violence against women,” proclaimed the headline on a column in the Yemen Times earlier this year. The beating of wives and sisters, the columnist argued, is sometimes necessary “to preserve the morals and principles with which Islam has honored us.”

 

[R_not]

Here is more from that article about honor killings, and this quote is about Jordan a supposed ‘moderate’ muslim country:

While many authorities say that Islamic religious tradition does not sanction honor killing, it has long been accepted in many Muslim societies all the same. Perpetrators are typically punished lightly, if at all. In 2003, Jordan’s parliament overwhelmingly defeated a proposal to impose harsher penalties for honor killings; Islamists objected on the grounds that more severe punishment would violate religious traditions and damage Jordanian society. “There must be violence against women,” proclaimed the headline on a column in the Yemen Times earlier this year. The beating of wives and sisters, the columnist argued, is sometimes necessary “to preserve the morals and principles with which Islam has honored us.”

groups.msn.com/THeTruthAboutIslam/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=&ID_Message=12901

 

[harrypot]

And why is honor killings coming to not only our country, but also to Europe, Australia, Canada, etc? Because the muslims live in areas, together, unwilling to merge with us and who practice sharia law within those areas that they live.

But that actual honor killing is purely BIBLICAL. Read Leviticus.

And the honor killing you are referring is UN-ISLAMIC., as it has to do with the human emotions and self declared pride. Show me where in the Quran it is allowed?

For cultures such as of uneducated Afghan villages it is not acceptable for them if their daughters sleep or runaway with their boyfriends. But in the West, generally speakimg, people do not mind if their daughters are sleeping with their boyfriends without or before marriage. Yet boyfriends do kill their girlfriends if they cheat them…lol

 

[R_not]

But that actual honor killing is purely BIBLICAL. Read Leviticus.

And the honor killing you are referring is UN-ISLAMIC., as it has to do with the human emotions and self declared pride. Show me where in the Quran it is allowed?

For cultures such as of uneducated Afghan villages it is not acceptable for them if their daughters sleep or runaway with their boyfriends. But in the West, generally speakimg, people do not mind if their daughters are sleeping with their boyfriends without or before marriage.

Maybe you should ask all the muslims where in the koran it is allowed and why they still practice it whenever there is sharia law. It is sharia law that allows it. Read my last post.

Since you are NOT reading the websites that I post - I am posting this to hopefully get you to READ.

While many authorities say that Islamic religious tradition does not sanction honor killing, it has long been accepted in many Muslim societies all the same. Perpetrators are typically punished lightly, if at all. In 2003, Jordan’s parliament overwhelmingly defeated a proposal to impose harsher penalties for honor killings; Islamists objected on the grounds that more severe punishment would violate religious traditions and damage Jordanian society. “There must be violence against women,” proclaimed the headline on a column in the Yemen Times earlier this year. The beating of wives and sisters, the columnist argued, is sometimes necessary “to preserve the morals and principles with which Islam has honored us.”

groups.msn.com/THeTruthAboutIslam/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=&ID_Message=12901

And since you are unable to think - then I will tell you that no one in Christianity, or Judaism, has for centuries - even millenium - practiced honor killings. Our laws do indeed take perpetrators of such crimes and give them trials and mete out punishment, if necessary.

Go find some quite time and do some thinking - and reading since I do believe that you don’t know islam - you might figure it out.

We do not KILL people over their sins. If you read the koran and anything about mohammed - sleeping with a boyfriend is mild compared to the lewdness of their prophet, and what he has sanctioned for his followers to do - enslave, pass woman around as booty and beat them, marry children, etc. What they do to little boys is just as ghastly.

Slavery in islam: answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

And what you will hear from ‘moderates’ is denial that this is done. Well, it is done to this day and instead of them working to stop these atrocities - they worry about their image and/or cartoons. yeah, go figure?!

they have brought slavery to America and a couple in Denver is in prison over it. There are other cases and I am sure that because muslims live in groups in cities - there is more of it but they don’t care since they practice sharia law and thumb their noses at our laws.

 

[Angelos]

But that actual honor killing is purely BIBLICAL. Read Leviticus.

And the honor killing you are referring is UN-ISLAMIC., as it has to do with the human emotions and self declared pride. Show me where in the Quran it is allowed?

For cultures such as of uneducated Afghan villages it is not acceptable for them if their daughters sleep or runaway with their boyfriends. But in the West, generally speakimg, people do not mind if their daughters are sleeping with their boyfriends without or before marriage.

Leviticus regulates what a priest must do if his daughter becomes a prostitute. The Bible does not say that every Jew is a priest or that every priest’s daughter will eventually become a prostitute.

There are many things not written in the Koran, but still practiced by Muslims. It is uncanny that most Muslims turn Koran-only believers and deny Hadiths or Islamic tradition whenever they face theological problems.

 

[inJESUS]

who is the authority in Islam now?

I understand your point, but I would have to study it in order to make a decision on this particular issue.

sure and that was my whole point…if words are misunderstood, let us see the behaviors, specifically of such prominant figures in Islam…when you study it, if you feel like it, we will discuss if teachings of humiliation are part of a love message or rather hatred.

In regards to the first quote, rejection of faith is the worst of sin. Even Christians believe that. You are literally turning away from God, so this is what makes disbelievers the worst of creatures, because they have consciously turned away from God, turned away from the truth. It doesn’t mean non-believers are bad people. It means that they are the worst of creature in the sight of God, those who reject faith.

ok but we are talking about non-believers in Muhammad who are called kuffar, perverse, worst of creatures who will rot in hell…do you think that these kinds of passages instill love or hatred? my point is actually beyond the context, it rather reaches the unconscious of the human.

In regards to the second quote, it means, that Muslim are to fight those who fight them. It does not mean that we intiate fighting with non-believers simply because they are non-believers.

what do you think initiated the futuhat?

 

[R_not]

**In regards to the second quote, it means, that Muslim are to fight those who fight them. It does not mean that we intiate fighting with non-believers simply because they are non-believers. **

Well, actually muslims worldwide initiate fights with non-believers. In the Philippines, in the USA, in India, in China, in Africa, in Europe and the UK, etc - all places where muslims have indeed initiated fights with non-muslims. But, they then turn around and say that they are the victims and behave as if they have not initiated the fights when in fact they did.

Look at Lebanon - The Lebanese Christians did not start killing the muslims - it was the muslims who started the snipers killing Christians, torture of the citizenry (read ‘Because They Hate’), and the lobbing of bombs into Israel. It wasn’t the reverse. And then the muslims wail and whine that they are the victims if the people get tired of it and strike back.

We have seen them hide among women and children after lobbing bombs from their houses and then come back and use their dead bodies as propoganda. While it is their faults they are dead.

It is just atrocious that we even fall for it time and again. In China, last month - jihadists kill many and the muslims in that area start whining and wailing that they are the victims when it just isn’t true.

Individuals in islam are also being encouraged to wage jihad. so, they are given the go ahead to start killing and our homeland security has given us a warning (it was on fox news) that we will see more smaller strikes involving one or more jihadists killing us, or attempting to kill us. Sound familiar? It is what happens in every single country where muslims migrate to. Read my signature’s website!

 

[harrypot]

ok but we are talking about non-believers in Muhammad who are called kuffar, perverse, worst of creatures who will rot in hell…do you think that these kinds of passages instill love or hatred?

The kafir in question, which Quran is talking about, in nature is worst than that daughter of a priest which Leviticus is suggesting the harsh punishment for her wrongdoing:

Leviticus 21:9

"If the daughter of a priest be taken in whoredom, and dishonour the name of her father, she shall be burnt with fire."

Latin Vulgate Bible

That kafir (of Quran you are referrring) is not any other Christian or Jew or a nonbeliever. Have you not read what the Quran says about those Christians and Jews who pray, worship one God and do good things? Are you out of your mind? Would you mind qouting those verses too if you really have read them?

 

[inJESUS]

Harrypot, (Happyday)

i will refrain from answering your posts for obvious reasons.

Regarding Islam, it is wrong to say there is nothing beautiful in it…there are many beautiful things among all religions, and Islam has its share…the problem with Islam, beside its heresies opposing previous scriptures and the character of Muhammad, is its ideologies of conquests , killing and humiliation…by islamic admission, the conquests were offensive not defensive, and by Islamic admission the humiliation of non-muslims is part of Islam’s teachings…it is these things that make you question the love message of Islam and the claim that Muhammad is a mercy to humanity, if you compare Muhammad not even to Jesus, but to the disciples, specifically the Pharisee Paul after his conversion and later compare Muhamad’s compagnions to Jesus’ disciples, the first years of Islam to the first hundreds of years of Christianity…obviously both cannot be put under the “peace” label unless the word changed its meaning…when Jesus says blessed are the peace-makers, he surely did not mean “humiliation-makers”.

 

[Silouan]

who is the authority in Islam now?

The scholars are still the authority in Islam, the problem with Islam is that the common Muslim has no regard for true Islamic knowledge and its source. And this is due to several reasons.

sure and that was my whole point…if words are misunderstood, let us see the behaviors, specifically of such prominant figures in Islam…when you study it, if you feel like it, we will discuss if teachings of humiliation are part of a love message or rather hatred.

Understand. From a spiritual prespective, I look at what the Muslim jizya is to the non-muslim, is what colonization is to the Muslims. It is a case of what goes around comes around. This is a spiritual law, do unto others as you would want them done unto you. So the Islamic Nation is literally being paid back what they have done unto others.

ok but we are talking about non-believers in Muhammad who are called kuffar, perverse, worst of creatures who will rot in hell…do you think that these kinds of passages instill love or hatred? my point is actually beyond the context, it rather reaches the unconscious of the human.

In all honesty, not all the words of Jesus seem to be passages of love.

in Christ,

Silouan